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Post by paj on Jun 15, 2022 8:47:22 GMT
History tells us that at least a couple on that list will miss out due to injury so there will be places up for grabs. Cabango should get one and it would be brilliant if Brooks was to recover form and fitness to play.
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Post by iot on Jun 15, 2022 8:51:56 GMT
Hennessey Ward A Davies Gunter Mepham Rodon Ampadu B Davies Roberts N Williams RND Allen Ramsey Morrell Colwill Wilson J Williams Levitt Bale Moore Johnson Brooks James I still think we are missing a ‘Joe Ledley’ & we could do with the 2016 versions of Bale, Rambo & Allen, but I don’t think this is far off. Yeah, that's pretty close. So the ones to miss out from the current 27 are Sorba, Matondo, Burns, and Harris, with Cabango and Lockyer also not making it. I would say the only players from that group of 6 with the chance of making the squad are Sorba and Matondo. Burns played himself out of the squad yesterday. Harris has only been given 30mins all campaign, so he's clearly not fancied. Page doesn't seem to fancy Cabango or Lockyer either. Look forward to the 100s of comments complaining about Gunter and Joniesta's places in the squad! |
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Post by underwood on Jun 15, 2022 11:09:54 GMT
History tells us that at least a couple on that list will miss out due to injury so there will be places up for grabs. Cabango should get one and it would be brilliant if Brooks was to recover form and fitness to play. I think Cabango is way off, definitely behind Lockyer & possibly James Lawrence. Other forgotten men are Tom Lawrence, Will Vaulks, Ryan Hedges & Ben Woodburn. None of them are anywhere near it. |
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Post by underwood on Jun 15, 2022 11:13:29 GMT
Gunter & Jonny are fundamental to squad togetherness. Keeping Bale & Rambo happy & firing on all cylinders is far more important than filling up squad places with players who will only come on for 10 minutes in an emergency, which is what the pair of them are very good at anyway.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 15, 2022 11:23:44 GMT
I wonder out of Bale,Ramsey, Allen, Davies, Johnson, Rodon, Ampadu and Neco how many will be injured for the WC? We are Wales and historically bad luck loves us so surely it’s at least 5 including Bale.
Anyway there’s always a surprise in every euro/ WC squad for every nation ( Colwill last time) I wonder if we see Beck or Popov going. Probably not as 3/4 months wouldn’t be enough time to impress but I’m sure someone we don’t expect will sneak in
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Post by welshrover on Jun 15, 2022 11:26:25 GMT
I personally wouldn't take Gunter, would take Sorba instead.
This is not a knee jerk reaction if you look back at some of my previous postings I have never been a fan.
After the brief cameo last week I would also think long and hard to see if we have an alternative to Adam Davies.
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 15, 2022 11:39:17 GMT
I personally wouldn't take Gunter, would take Sorba instead. This is not a knee jerk reaction if you look back at some of my previous postings I have never been a fan. After the brief cameo last week I would also think long and hard to see if we have an alternative to Adam Davies. Thing thing with Adam Davies is he’s viewed as important like Gunter and Johnny as he’s the “DJ” he keeps them entertained like Owain did in 2016 with his guitar. Together Stronger all 3 are important in that regards. But surely Maxwell is better |
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Post by morg on Jun 15, 2022 11:44:40 GMT
Would have thought Tyler Roberts would be in with a shout?
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Post by underwood on Jun 15, 2022 11:59:24 GMT
Would have thought Tyler Roberts would be in with a shout? I completely forgot about him. Which suggests he’s probably not in with a shout barring injuries. |
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Post by dai on Jun 15, 2022 12:02:21 GMT
Would have thought Tyler Roberts would be in with a shout? When is he due back from injury? Have to be honest, we haven't missed much. Although we could have done with his ball control in a few matches. I'd imagine it will be between him and Brooks (if he gets back to fitness). |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2022 12:39:32 GMT
It's really a race against time for Brooks. If it's not him then Tyler Roberts is probably the next one who would take that spot - unless he fails to get back soon as well
Maybe a late bolter for that spot? Could be Matondo as well
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Post by morg on Jun 15, 2022 13:52:21 GMT
Given the conditions and precedent (albeit for Covid) could we see 26 in a squad? See Page is pushing for it. If so, Charlie Savage or similar as a bolter?
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Post by welwyn on Jun 15, 2022 14:19:10 GMT
FIFA are saying 23 at the moment.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 18, 2022 10:03:35 GMT
Looks like 26 squad will be permitted
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 18, 2022 13:05:38 GMT
Would love to see Brooks get up to match fitness in time and make the 26
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 18, 2022 14:12:58 GMT
Would love to see Brooks get up to match fitness in time and make the 26 If it's between him Matondo & Tyler then he's clear in terms of his talent. Just a question of how much football he will get - I do wonder whether he might want to go out on loan until January just to ensure he's getting game time ahead of the World Cup. I don't think he'll get the game time he needs at Bournemouth in the top flight I think a loan to the Championship would be perfect from a Welsh perspective |
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Post by saturn9 on Jun 18, 2022 15:04:21 GMT
Would love to see Brooks get up to match fitness in time and make the 26 If it's between him Matondo & Tyler then he's clear in terms of his talent. Just a question of how much football he will get - I do wonder whether he might want to go out on loan until January just to ensure he's getting game time ahead of the World Cup. I don't think he'll get the game time he needs at Bournemouth in the top flight I think a loan to the Championship would be perfect from a Welsh perspective Season or half a season at a club like Norwich would be ideal for Brooks. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jun 18, 2022 15:34:45 GMT
There's opportunity for a midfielder to emerge and get themselves on the plane ahead of the likes of Matt Smith, but I'd be surprised if Will Vaulks or Josh Sheehan came back into the fold at this stage. There's a chance they choose to take a sixth centre-back as well, or a fifth wing-back instead of an extra midfielder but I think this is what we're looking at in terms of a 26.
Hennessey
Ward
A. Davies
Ampadu
Rodon
Mepham
B. Davies
C. Gunter/B. Cabango/T. Lockyer/O. Denham
Neco
C. Roberts
Norrington-Davies
S. Thomas/W. Burns
J. Allen
J. Morrell
D. Levitt
M. Smith
A. Ramsey
H. Wilson
R. Colwill
J. Williams
G. Bale
D. James
B. Johnson
T. Roberts/D. Brooks/R. Matondo
K. Moore
M. Harris/N. Broadhead/T. Lawrence
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Post by quetzal on Jun 18, 2022 16:43:40 GMT
We’re in the World Cup draw for first time since 58. Personally I’d love to draw Brazil. Something romantic about that. I want to avoid England. The media shenanigans that surround the match and all that. That celebrating 🥳 Iceland beating England by our players could come back to bite us. The English will never forget that. When Wales got knocked out by Denmark you could feel the happiness through the screen of Lineker and Shearer. When that went off air they would have gone nuts! I said at the time whoever released that video is a complete plonker. Rumours it was Joniesta. I’m tamping about that release. The English dressing room talk already done. FFS |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 19, 2022 9:43:43 GMT
If it's between him Matondo & Tyler then he's clear in terms of his talent. Just a question of how much football he will get - I do wonder whether he might want to go out on loan until January just to ensure he's getting game time ahead of the World Cup. I don't think he'll get the game time he needs at Bournemouth in the top flight I think a loan to the Championship would be perfect from a Welsh perspective Season or half a season at a club like Norwich would be ideal for Brooks. Brilliant shout! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 19, 2022 10:02:38 GMT
There's opportunity for a midfielder to emerge and get themselves on the plane ahead of the likes of Matt Smith, but I'd be surprised if Will Vaulks or Josh Sheehan came back into the fold at this stage. There's a chance they choose to take a sixth centre-back as well, or a fifth wing-back instead of an extra midfielder but I think this is what we're looking at in terms of a 26. Hennessey Ward A. Davies Ampadu Rodon Mepham B. Davies C. Gunter B. Cabango/T. Lockyer/O. DenhamNeco C. Roberts Norrington-Davies S. Thomas W. Burns J. Allen J. Morrell D. Levitt/M. SmithA. Ramsey H. Wilson R. Colwill J. Williams G. Bale D. James B. Johnson T. Roberts/D. Brooks/R. MatondoK. Moore N. Broadhead/M. Harris/PopovI think in terms of defenders it will be Gunter, and a 5th wing-back. Because I think Norrington-Davies will deputise for Ben Davies. But I think there will also be another CB ahead of a 4th CM spot between Levitt/Smith, because Ampadu can play in midfield - and we don't need more than 4 players who can play in the sitting midfield role I back Broadhead to start the season well and stake his claim ahead of Harris who won't be favoured at Cardiff. If Popov continues to impress he could be the Colwill of the squad. I hope Brooksy is fit enough to make it ahead of Tyler because I think he offers a lot more So I think it will look like the above (favourites for contested spots in bold) |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 19, 2022 10:09:38 GMT
We’re in the World Cup draw for first time since 58. Personally I’d love to draw Brazil. Something romantic about that. I want to avoid England. The media shenanigans that surround the match and all that. That celebrating 🥳 Iceland beating England by our players could come back to bite us. The English will never forget that. When Wales got knocked out by Denmark you could feel the happiness through the screen of Lineker and Shearer. When that went off air they would have gone nuts! I said at the time whoever released that video is a complete plonker. Rumours it was Joniesta. I’m tamping about that release. The English dressing room talk already done. FFS Buzzing that's all it took to rattle them. Whatever their speech is about us "wronging" them, ours will be 1000x better and more meaningful We're better placed to get a result against them this time than we were back in 2016. And I feel that's partly because they will underestimate us more now. Back then my English friends were very fearful of playing against Bale, and generally against teams who sit deep, so they were bricking it playing us. This time with the English leagues on a high, and top managers improving their squad, and with most of our squad relatively unfamiliar to them, with our stars fading, I don't think they will think much of us |
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Post by hooky on Jun 19, 2022 10:18:44 GMT
There's opportunity for a midfielder to emerge and get themselves on the plane ahead of the likes of Matt Smith, but I'd be surprised if Will Vaulks or Josh Sheehan came back into the fold at this stage. There's a chance they choose to take a sixth centre-back as well, or a fifth wing-back instead of an extra midfielder but I think this is what we're looking at in terms of a 26. Hennessey Ward A. Davies Ampadu Rodon Mepham B. Davies C. Gunter B. Cabango/T. Lockyer/O. DenhamNeco C. Roberts Norrington-Davies S. Thomas W. Burns J. Allen J. Morrell D. Levitt/M. SmithA. Ramsey H. Wilson R. Colwill J. Williams G. Bale D. James B. Johnson T. Roberts/D. Brooks/R. MatondoK. Moore N. Broadhead/M. Harris/PopovI think in terms of defenders it will be Gunter, and a 5th wing-back. Because I think Norrington-Davies will deputise for Ben Davies. But I think there will also be another CB ahead of a 4th CM spot between Levitt/Smith, because Ampadu can play in midfield - and we don't need more than 4 players who can play in the sitting midfield role I back Broadhead to start the season well and stake his claim ahead of Harris who won't be favoured at Cardiff. If Popov continues to impress he could be the Colwill of the squad. I hope Brooksy is fit enough to make it ahead of Tyler because I think he offers a lot more So I think it will look like the above (favourites for contested spots in bold) |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 19, 2022 10:24:09 GMT
I read somewhere that Group B has the highest average FIFA ranking, so we’re the group of death if there is one.
Bring it on!
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Post by hooky on Jun 19, 2022 10:35:30 GMT
I think in terms of defenders it will be Gunter, and a 5th wing-back. Because I think Norrington-Davies will deputise for Ben Davies. But I think there will also be another CB ahead of a 4th CM spot between Levitt/Smith, because Ampadu can play in midfield - and we don't need more than 4 players who can play in the sitting midfield role I back Broadhead to start the season well and stake his claim ahead of Harris who won't be favoured at Cardiff. If Popov continues to impress he could be the Colwill of the squad. I hope Brooksy is fit enough to make it ahead of Tyler because I think he offers a lot more So I think it will look like the above (favourites for contested spots in bold) Gunter - ffs no! Everyone knows my opinion on his worth but come on! I felt he was done 3 years ago and over the past 12 months he has been consistently making mistakes for us has now been let go by a team in the third tier He was always limited going forward as a wing back which eventually made him a bit irrelevant in the current era where full backs are increasingly used as an attacking force and he never was the best centre back but a make shift option, especially as he has lost his pace. Now he has lost speed and seemingly awareness in his defensive abilities - the latter is probably due to him playing a lower standard of football over recent years and a lack of game time. He is the one squad player that has been given lots of opportunities to show his worth but has stood out as a relative weakness defensively. He is not a youngster with potential. So his experience has not counted for much. Who would forget his awful mistake for the penalty against Belarus? Against Poland there were mistakes and against Holland. He was not tight enough to the Dutch player as last man in extra time - not even close enough to get near to a block. I know that was difficult but unless he is having some kind of positive effect on things then what is the point of him? Seriously from a footballing perspective why do we take him? Last tournament we left Robson-Kanu behind despite him scoring a couple of premier league goals in his last few games ahead of the tournament and we have frozen out Lawrence for reasons unknown, despite him being productive as an attacking threat this season and offering something slightly different to others in the squad. Why Gunter is treated as a Welsh icon that merits squad selection as a default is beyond me. He does not deserve to be going on the plane and it is not enough to accept he is Ramsey's mate. FFS - one or two injuries or suspensions and we could have Gunter lining up against the Dutch in the second round (if we get there). Loyalty has not been repaid as he is no longer good enough. This loyalty sees him as our record caps holder too - Bale deserves that honour by a country mile - I want my grandchildren to see Bale's name as an icon worthy of holding that honour not a journeyman who has arguably undeservedly won his last 10 or so caps based purely upon loyalty and some warped sense of entitlement for being a patriot. I have seen enough of this in the office where guys well past their sell by date contribute far less despite their experience than others. Yes - we should take into account loyalty when someone has something to offer but meritocracy should kick in when we have someone who is no longer up to it and is actually becoming a bit of a liability with no growth ahead of them. Sorry for being harsh. I know he has given everything to us in the past and he has helped make our dreams come true - such as his 'brave' run up the touch line versus Belgium to supply the winning third goal assist - but I do not want him to undermine all of this by making a mistake in a big game for us. He has had enough chances recently and he will have given a 100% in recent games but its no longer good enough is it? |
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Post by insertname on Jun 19, 2022 11:28:39 GMT
That celebrating 🥳 Iceland beating England by our players could come back to bite us. The English will never forget that. When Wales got knocked out by Denmark you could feel the happiness through the screen of Lineker and Shearer. When that went off air they would have gone nuts! I said at the time whoever released that video is a complete plonker. Rumours it was Joniesta. I’m tamping about that release. The English dressing room talk already done. FFS Buzzing that's all it took to rattle them. Whatever their speech is about us "wronging" them, ours will be 1000x better and more meaningful We're better placed to get a result against them this time than we were back in 2016. And I feel that's partly because they will underestimate us more now. Back then my English friends were very fearful of playing against Bale, and generally against teams who sit deep, so they were bricking it playing us. This time with the English leagues on a high, and top managers improving their squad, and with most of our squad relatively unfamiliar to them, with our stars fading, I don't think they will think much of us Their NL form is a great leveller. They won’t be confident facing us with a misfiring front line and Southgate under serious pressure to produce results. It will crank the pressure right up on them. As it goes though I expect the game to not have much importance for at least one of the teams involved. It wouldn’t surprise me actually if it’s us who have practically qualified by then and we play a weakened side. Or maybe England will and it will help us get a result. Either way it’s not going to be anywhere near as crucial as if we played on the opening day, which is probably a good thing really. I think both sides will see the Us and Iran as the big games. |
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Post by hooky on Jun 19, 2022 12:02:22 GMT
The US is the big game isn't it? An awkward, very physical team but one that we can't afford to lose to.
Hope we play to our best!
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Post by cymro on Jun 19, 2022 12:34:35 GMT
Buzzing that's all it took to rattle them. Whatever their speech is about us "wronging" them, ours will be 1000x better and more meaningful We're better placed to get a result against them this time than we were back in 2016. And I feel that's partly because they will underestimate us more now. Back then my English friends were very fearful of playing against Bale, and generally against teams who sit deep, so they were bricking it playing us. This time with the English leagues on a high, and top managers improving their squad, and with most of our squad relatively unfamiliar to them, with our stars fading, I don't think they will think much of us Their NL form is a great leveller. They won’t be confident facing us with a misfiring front line and Southgate under serious pressure to produce results. It will crank the pressure right up on them. As it goes though I expect the game to not have much importance for at least one of the teams involved. It wouldn’t surprise me actually if it’s us who have practically qualified by then and we play a weakened side. Or maybe England will and it will help us get a result. Either way it’s not going to be anywhere near as crucial as if we played on the opening day, which is probably a good thing really. I think both sides will see the Us and Iran as the big games. I said when the draw was made and the fixtures got announced... even if England are already through after 2 games and can't improve their position, there's no way I see them resting players against us. They would not want Wales to own a victory over England. It will be quite a dilemma for them and the way the fixtures have fallen, could knacker them out for the knockout rounds. |
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Jun 19, 2022 12:35:30 GMT
I read somewhere that Group B has the highest average FIFA ranking, so we’re the group of death if there is one. Bring it on! It will be the highest average because of us. In truth we should have been the highest rank side in Pot 3 so should have had a lower ranked nation in our group, but because of the delay of the play-off final we were placed in Pot 4 on account of Scotland being ranked low enough to be in that pot. In truth our group has two Pot 3 sides, and no-one with a Pot 4 ranking. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jun 19, 2022 12:36:49 GMT
Yep good point there's not much to call between Cymru, USA and Iran
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