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Post by mortillsy on Nov 29, 2022 22:35:16 GMT
We have always had at least one decent striker through the years going all the way back to big John Charles , what we have coming through now that have the potential to reach top level is anyone's guess atm, our hopes are probably pinned on Brennan Johnson to keep improving, which is more than a possibility. Kieffer is certainly serviceable at this level, he will probably be a stop gap until another comes through. Popov lokoing the most likely, but don't write off Isaak Davies or an unknown coming through too James Crole |
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 29, 2022 22:39:35 GMT
Kieffer is certainly serviceable at this level, he will probably be a stop gap until another comes through. Popov lokoing the most likely, but don't write off Isaak Davies or an unknown coming through too James Crole How close to the first team squad is young James Crole now? |
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Post by mortillsy on Nov 29, 2022 22:39:41 GMT
Does Aaron Collins get a look in, next year in some friendlies? Been linked heavily with a move away next season or possibly January to the Chs'p. Yeah in amongst all this Mullin talk he seems the most obvious CF to have a look at. Stepped up well to league 1 but it's a decent leap to championship. Bodin was looking very good a few years back at Bristol Rovers but never really happened for him at Preston either side of a bad injury. Bradshaw was scoring loads at Walsall and would've made euro 2016 cut but for injury but again never been as prolific for Millwall. It’s a shame for Bodin, he had some serious ability but got destroyed by that injury. Potentially Collins does. Consistently good performances for a season and a step up to Championship and he won’t be too far away. I’m not sure he’s a CF though? |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 29, 2022 22:45:57 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future?
Just asking the question.
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Post by mortillsy on Nov 29, 2022 22:46:20 GMT
How close to the first team squad is young James Crole now? The reality is he is probably miles away. But he is only 18 … and I personally like what I see. But the step up is obviously massive. He’s definitely a CF. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 29, 2022 22:50:27 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. We don't need to do a complete rebuild, we still have the luxury of phasing some of our more senior players out without them retiring abruptly. I'd look at a new manager however, spend some of the hard earned money on a good manager who can inspire the new generation. Page will always have a special place in my heart for getting us there, but this tournament proved he isn't up for it on the biggest stage. |
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Post by dai on Nov 29, 2022 22:50:36 GMT
Can someone do me a favour and dig out the thread that had the list of all eligible players? I rthought it was pinned to the top but it's not.
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 29, 2022 22:55:25 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. We don't need to do a complete rebuild, we still have the luxury of phasing some of our more senior players out without them retiring abruptly. I'd look at a new manager however, spend some of the hard earned money on a good manager who can inspire the new generation. Page will always have a special place in my heart for getting us there, but this tournament proved he isn't up for it on the biggest stage. Give me a name. Shame Alonso went to Bayer Leverkusen 😉 |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 29, 2022 22:59:43 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. We don't need to do a complete rebuild, we still have the luxury of phasing some of our more senior players out without them retiring abruptly. I'd look at a new manager however, spend some of the hard earned money on a good manager who can inspire the new generation. Page will always have a special place in my heart for getting us there, but this tournament proved he isn't up for it on the biggest stage. Bang on |
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Post by bale-droed on Nov 29, 2022 23:04:26 GMT
Us but Belgium are about to return to being a Switzerlandish team. Our problem as fans is most of us are looking to the under 21s for the future and we are: A. Forgetting that Neco, Ampadu, Norrington-Davies, Johnson And Colwill are all under 23 B. We are hyping some youngsters a lot like Harris, Popov and we forget how promising Cooper is. Cooper could be the main man next campaign C. I have not seen anyone mention David Brooks. My god how we miss and need him. For qualifying he should be back to full fitness and him in the starting 11 is a fantastic thing. Our second best finisher D. We have a lot of players that won’t be past 31 in 2026 I think Davies will be 33 but he’s fantastic so no worries We more than have enough to qualify for Euro 2024 even without Ramsey. Our squad could actually be fantastic by 2024. The good times are not over yet. Tomorrow will fucking suck but we’re still living the dream Have we ever been better than Switzerland? They are an awful team to draw in a tournament, they grind out wins against smaller teams and surprise the top teams quite regularly. Belgium at their level possibly, but historically we are similar to Bulgaria/Scotland. Bale scores all the vital goals, is it unrealistic to think we could get 4th in qualifying without him? Nope we’ve never been as good as Switzerland but that’s not the point I was trying to make at all. No 4th is not an unrealistic thought without him. I think if we adopt a new formation though we can score goals without him and finish top 2 |
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Post by cadno on Nov 29, 2022 23:10:34 GMT
We need new management and need to bring fresh faces into the squad IMO. Fox, Hughes, Hedges, Tom Lawrence, Lee Evans, Cabango, Lockyer, Levitt, get them involved a bit more. Emyr Huws and Josh Sheehan are you lads able to step up??
Step 1 needs to be finding a calm and commanding presence at the back, make us defensively sound again.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 29, 2022 23:14:02 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. I'd like to slowly bring some up. I feel we've gone off the development slightly. I can't believe that we didn't have a hand in getting the likes of Bale/Ramsey, but to a lesser extent Hennessey/Gunter to a higher level then they should have reached. They were in the shop window for us before their clubs. I'd personally be happy with the experienced players who can bring something to the party and players good enough supplemented by 17/18/19 year olds. Best example I got is the keepers. Hennessey is 35, Ward is 29, Davies is 30, why do we have a 30 year old who has no chance of playing in the squad, has the river ran that dry in terms of keepers? Is there no 20/21 year olds who can use the opportunity? |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 29, 2022 23:14:16 GMT
How many times am I going to say it, we need to stop trying to play football at the back, we're so cumbersome and rubbish at it. The second goal killed the game, it was so amateur on so many levels.
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Post by mortillsy on Nov 29, 2022 23:15:56 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. I’m going to get crucified for this … but, Chem needs clarifying. Whatever anyone thinks he has not played for England at any level, and he would have if he wanted to. We’ve had good players like Amps, Brooks, Brennan represent them over the years … but we’ve also had Matondo, Taz Mayembe (unattached), Raymond, James Sweet etc .. he would 100% have had an opportunity. Maybe he’s concentrating on Wolves, maybe waiting for England .. or Jamaica. But one I’d suggest securing. Getting games in the Premiership, he should be challenging the seniors not the 21’s. Along with Harris - I did note Mooney specifically name dropping him in an interview prior to the game today. I’m hoping it wasn’t out of desperation . And in reality, probably Jordan James also. There are quite a few Welsh boys that we are desperate to make the step up to what is a decent core squad. |
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Post by robin1864 on Nov 29, 2022 23:28:33 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. Yes, we've reached that point about a year or two ago, but were getting away with it until this tournament. Now is the time for Ampadu, Johnson, Colwill and perhaps Luke Harris/Jordan James to become regulars, however we also need to introduce some fresh players as stop-gaps - Chris Maxwell, Andrew Hughes, Morgan Fox, Josh Sheehan, Lee Evans and Tom Bradshaw all need to be in contention now so we've got experience and match fitness in our depth. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 29, 2022 23:39:51 GMT
Yeah in amongst all this Mullin talk he seems the most obvious CF to have a look at. Stepped up well to league 1 but it's a decent leap to championship. Bodin was looking very good a few years back at Bristol Rovers but never really happened for him at Preston either side of a bad injury. Bradshaw was scoring loads at Walsall and would've made euro 2016 cut but for injury but again never been as prolific for Millwall. It’s a shame for Bodin, he had some serious ability but got destroyed by that injury. Potentially Collins does. Consistently good performances for a season and a step up to Championship and he won’t be too far away. I’m not sure he’s a CF though? He’s a wing forward I believe |
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Post by insertname on Nov 29, 2022 23:42:11 GMT
Do we now do a Toshack / Flynn and start again. Some youngsters about and some we could lose out on. Is it time to bring some in and secure them for the future? Just asking the question. Yes, we've reached that point about a year or two ago, but were getting away with it until this tournament. Now is the time for Ampadu, Johnson, Colwill and perhaps Luke Harris/Jordan James to become regulars, however we also need to introduce some fresh players as stop-gaps - Chris Maxwell, Andrew Hughes, Morgan Fox, Josh Sheehan, Lee Evans and Tom Bradshaw all need to be in contention now so we've got experience and match fitness in our depth. Having just reached a World Cup I’m sure most would be happy to accept a period of transition and a lack of success. Accepting a period of transition after just failing to reach a World Cup is a completely different (and painful) kettle of fish. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 29, 2022 23:44:45 GMT
Yes, we've reached that point about a year or two ago, but were getting away with it until this tournament. Now is the time for Ampadu, Johnson, Colwill and perhaps Luke Harris/Jordan James to become regulars, however we also need to introduce some fresh players as stop-gaps - Chris Maxwell, Andrew Hughes, Morgan Fox, Josh Sheehan, Lee Evans and Tom Bradshaw all need to be in contention now so we've got experience and match fitness in our depth. Having just reached a World Cup I’m sure most would be happy to accept a period of transition and a lack of success. Accepting a period of transition after just failing to reach a World Cup is a completely different (and painful) kettle of fish. Weirdly enough we seemed to be transitioning in the tournament itself. The old guard were probably our worst performers and the better players were the ones in their 20s. I felt a lot more pessimistic about our future in 2018 (even 2016) than I do now |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2022 0:10:41 GMT
The reality of this tournament has been that teams have figured out that if they press us we struggle. Particularly if they press us in wide areas, we really struggle to play out when we have it in tight areas
What's disappointed me is that I thought Kieffer would be that out ball. But every time we play up to him no-one is close to him, that's a big problem. Even when Kieffer does find someone, James had the pace but not the quality, Bale would lose it far too easily, and our midfield would play it backwards again
I think we've come off an era where we could compete with the top teams and win/draw one-off games against them. Now we're in an era where we can beat teams around us but struggle to even draw against better teams, we need to maintain that level as that will qualify us for tournaments
Main focus on Croatia should be the clean sheet and keeping it 0-0. If we can do that we can build momentum for the group. No need to panic, but a lot of re-evaluating to do, and Page's biggest test comes now. Can he rebuild a team? We'll have to see. Ultimately, I don't think our team is good enough on paper to qualify against well organised teams like USA and Iran. Perhaps we were a little below the level the playoffs suggested we were at unfortunately
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 30, 2022 0:13:34 GMT
The reality of this tournament has been that teams have figured out that if they press us we struggle. Particularly if they press us in wide areas, we really struggle to play out when we have it in tight areas What's disappointed me is that I thought Kieffer would be that out ball. But every time we play up to him no-one is close to him, that's a big problem. Even when Kieffer does find someone, James had the pace but not the quality, Bale would lose it far too easily, and our midfield would play it backwards again I think we've come off an era where we could compete with the top teams and win/draw one-off games against them. Now we're in an era where we can beat teams around us but struggle to even draw against better teams, we need to maintain that level as that will qualify us for tournaments Main focus on Croatia should be the clean sheet and keeping it 0-0. If we can do that we can build momentum for the group. No need to panic, but a lot of re-evaluating to do, and Page's biggest test comes now. Can he rebuild a team? We'll have to see. Ultimately, I don't think our team is good enough on paper to qualify against well organised teams like USA and Iran. Perhaps we were a little below the level the playoffs suggested we were at unfortunately I'm really worried about playing Croatia, our "that'll do" attitude to getting tight and not letting teams have time on the ball won't work against them and they'll wear us down. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2022 0:16:04 GMT
Having just reached a World Cup I’m sure most would be happy to accept a period of transition and a lack of success. Accepting a period of transition after just failing to reach a World Cup is a completely different (and painful) kettle of fish. Weirdly enough we seemed to be transitioning in the tournament itself. The old guard were probably our worst performers and the better players were the ones in their 20s. I felt a lot more pessimistic about our future in 2018 (even 2016) than I do now Bale/Ramsey were fine at the end of our qualifying campaign and in the playoffs, they look like different players now unfortunately. Need to phase them out of the starting XI now, Brennan in particular needs to start games I really hope we're able to field something like the following against Croatia... Ward Neco-Mepham-Rodon-Davies Morrell/Allen-Ampadu DJ/Wilson-Brooks-Brennan Moore |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 30, 2022 0:19:51 GMT
I'd much rather have Davies at centre back, that second goal was classic Davies being a liability at left back. We need some more players to come through who can play left back, it' going to be our undoing if we're not careful. I say undoing, one of our undoings along with a worrying inability to score goals.
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Post by insertname on Nov 30, 2022 0:23:16 GMT
Having just reached a World Cup I’m sure most would be happy to accept a period of transition and a lack of success. Accepting a period of transition after just failing to reach a World Cup is a completely different (and painful) kettle of fish. Weirdly enough we seemed to be transitioning in the tournament itself. The old guard were probably our worst performers and the better players were the ones in their 20s. I felt a lot more pessimistic about our future in 2018 (even 2016) than I do now Maybe part of the reason I’m not buying into the misery around this finals campaign is because I could see we needed to transition at the end of the euros. To get that squad to a World Cup, something that no other manager has achieved is a ridiculous achievement which was simultaneously fantastic but also delayed and has made harder the much needed transition from 2016 to a new era. We can’t hide from it any more, we’ve had more success from that generation than maybe we had a right to and now we need to transition from it. My big concern is that we will look back in time and change opinion about Page and consider him a miracle worker for getting to a World Cup based on what our players went on to achieve at club and international level in the years to come…I really think the cupboard is bare in terms of having the ingredients to get to another World Cup. The odd Euros we might qualify for but only because these days it’s harder not to qualify. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2022 0:47:21 GMT
Here's a positive note for everyone to sleep on...
Neco, 21 years old (26 caps)
Brennan, 21 years old (18 caps)
Ampadu, 22 years old (40 caps)
Wilson, 25 years old (42 caps)
Mepham, 25 years old (36 caps)
Rodon, 25 years old (33 caps)
Morrell, 25 years old (32 caps)
DJ, 25 years old (41 caps)
By the time these lots are approaching 50-60-70 caps we'll start looking very solid and stubborn as a team I think
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Post by welwyn on Nov 30, 2022 8:14:37 GMT
Still think Locks is a vastly better CB than Mepham though.
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Post by walesgolfmadrid on Nov 30, 2022 8:19:44 GMT
Morgan Fox is 29, Andrew Hughes 30, Chris Maxwell 32, Tom Bradshaw 30. Some of these players could get involved in the squads and come into be used in rotation but I don't think they're going to be at the heart of the rebuild moving forward. Are Fox and Hughes any better than Rhys Norrington-Davies, who has more international experience and is 6/7 years younger than both of them? We've already got players playing regularly far younger than them, who if we're looking towards the future can push on in the next couple of years. The players listed above by allez are the ones who are going to be at the heart of things, we don't need to change the squad massively and then on top of that the likes of Colwill, RND, Cabango, Oli Cooper, Luke Harris and Jordan James are there to be integrated more. I think as a team we'll be looking at something like this for Euro 2024 qualifying, with hopefully David Brooks coming back into things as well. It doesn't need to be massively different. Ward
Roberts/Neco - Rodon - Mepham - Davies
Ampadu - Allen/Morrell
Bale/Brennan - Ramsey/Wilson - James
Moore
In terms of players moving on I feel like Gunter's done all he can for us now, and it's time to offer that spot to a younger player. |
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Post by dai on Nov 30, 2022 8:23:25 GMT
Still think Locks is a vastly better CB than Mepham though. I think he’s better than Mepham and Rodon. Absolutely nuts Page put him, our in form CB, on standby originally. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 30, 2022 9:16:30 GMT
For me it should be Regan Poole in for Gunter, Oli Cooper/Luke Harris in for Jonny
I think finding the right system is the most important thing, more so than changeover of personnel which will happen gradually
Last night I feel that the 4-2-3-1 showed it's weaknesses, in that Kieffer was easily isolated, and couldn't bring Ramsey into the game. When he could find Ramsey he didn't have the pace to do anything
In a 4-4-2 I think giving a strike partner to Kieffer who has pace and can feed off of him is the most important thing moving forwards, I think Brennan suits that role for now, but we'd still need pace in the wide areas
The reality has been when we play Moore/Ramsey/Bale in our front line there is no pace there, aside from 1 other player who can easily targeted. We need pace all across our attack if Moore is to be our platform
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Post by rushy on Nov 30, 2022 10:31:25 GMT
Don't feel much better this morning following last nights game , and reading 2 wins in 12 matches this year under Page means we are going downhill fast, a change must be priority now.
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 30, 2022 10:34:35 GMT
Don't feel much better this morning following last nights game , and reading 2 wins in 12 matches this year under Page means we are going downhill fast, a change must be priority now. If he was a club manager he would have been sacked already. The Ukraine result has papered over the very big cracks that have appeared over the past year. if Page was sacked today I doubt very much he would get job higher than League 2 |
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