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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 14, 2024 11:41:27 GMT
I'm not big on Dasilva and Levitt's inclusions, I get it but I'd have rather picked Beck. Pleased with Sheehan as I think his inclusion puts him in front of Levitt who I really don't rate at the moment. I'd love nothing more than Levitt to prove me wrong but I think he's ever going to be good enough. I'd rather bring on Dasilva in a high pressure game given his experience, than put Beck on for his first cap. Moving forwards though I would like to see us call up Dasilva and Beck, and use them both as LWBs with Neco moving to his natural side |
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Post by iot on Mar 14, 2024 11:52:30 GMT
I'm not big on Dasilva and Levitt's inclusions, I get it but I'd have rather picked Beck. Pleased with Sheehan as I think his inclusion puts him in front of Levitt who I really don't rate at the moment. I'd love nothing more than Levitt to prove me wrong but I think he's ever going to be good enough. I'd rather bring on Dasilva in a high pressure game given his experience, than put Beck on for his first cap. Moving forwards though I would like to see us call up Dasilva and Beck, and use them both as LWBs with Neco moving to his natural side Also, Beck didn't play for Dundee yesterday because he's carrying an injury, so that might be something to do with it |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 14, 2024 13:02:58 GMT
Extract from a Leicester news article (end February):
" On Monday, Will Alves was playing in a strong City line-up that included goalkeeper Danny Ward. The Wales international has not played a senior competitive match for City this season and was turning out for the Under-21s for the first time. He was perhaps looking to get minutes ahead of his nation’s Euro 2024 play-offs next month".
Does anyone know if DW has in fact appeared between the sticks again in more recent (March) games for Leicester's Under 21s (effectively the first team reserves)?
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Post by rob on Mar 14, 2024 13:17:44 GMT
He could have pushed for a loan move. I agree with what you're saying, wouldn't expect anyone to turn their back on that sort of money but from the outside looking in it just comes across as he arrogantly assumes his Wales spot is secure so doesn't need to keep himself sharp. The annoying thing is, he's probably right too. I don't know what the solution is and I understand not making drastic changes before the playoffs but I do think we need a rethink towards our goalkeeper situation in the future. Whoever the most promising up and coming keeper who is actually playing. Get them called up. King is the biggest ridiculous selection as Wolves signed him as experience for the reserves-like Man Utd have done with Huddlestone and Liverpool with Spearing-to help younger players along.In other words winding down career-was a sub in L2 last season.Him ahead of Maxwell and Cornell is Page old boys club -see World Cup with Joniesta and Gunter. |
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 14, 2024 13:41:36 GMT
Extract from a Leicester news article (end February): " On Monday, Will Alves was playing in a strong City line-up that included goalkeeper Danny Ward. The Wales international has not played a senior competitive match for City this season and was turning out for the Under-21s for the first time. He was perhaps looking to get minutes ahead of his nation’s Euro 2024 play-offs next month". Does anyone know if DW has in fact appeared between the sticks again in more recent (March) games for Leicester's Under 21s (effectively the first team reserves)? DW has played twice for the U21s in the last month or, updates on players playing for their clubs on walesplayers.uk daily and also on the main dragonsoccer web site of course Feb 19 2024 - news dragonsoccer.co.uk/newsite/index.php?id=817 |
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Post by gimli on Mar 14, 2024 13:51:13 GMT
The GK situation is a farce really.
Danny Ward should have demanded a loan in January, even if it was to League One level. I'm sure Leicester would have been more than happy to get him off the books even if the loaning club were only to pay 10% of his wages.
Hennessey, as others have said, I give a pass to. He's winding down his career so let him ride the gravy train to retirement. In an ideal world he'd be our 3rd choice keeper at best by now, just there for the experience and the vibes.
Adam Davies is another that should have forced a loan in Jan. Probably could have gotten a League One move if he really wanted.
Tom King should be nowhere near the squad. He's effectively an U21 coach and will never get a sniff of a competitive game with Wolves. Even when he was called up originally and playing regularly he was playing in League Two, so if we're insisting on calling up a 4th GK, it might as well have been Owen Evans who's played a fair bit at that level this season. Otherwise, I'd honestly rather call up a Cymru Premier GK like Roberts or Ratcliffe over King. It's embarrassing that King keeps getting called up.
For better or worse, Ward and Hennessey's places in the squad are always guaranteed since they are unquestionably our best keepers (as depressing as that may be) even if they don't play regularly. The 3rd (and 4th) places should go to the keepers playing regularly at the highest level, even if that level is League Two or Cymru Premier. If we ever get to the point where we have to play Davies or King in a game we're already screwed anyway, so I'd rather reward a player who plays regularly than continually calling up players who have effectively given up on their playing careers. Dropping Davies and King in favour of Evans and/or a Cymru Prem keeper would have been an easy and risk-free way of sending the message that if you want to play for Wales you have to be playing regularly for your club.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 14, 2024 15:59:27 GMT
He could have pushed for a loan move. I agree with what you're saying, wouldn't expect anyone to turn their back on that sort of money but from the outside looking in it just comes across as he arrogantly assumes his Wales spot is secure so doesn't need to keep himself sharp. The annoying thing is, he's probably right too. I don't know what the solution is and I understand not making drastic changes before the playoffs but I do think we need a rethink towards our goalkeeper situation in the future. Whoever the most promising up and coming keeper who is actually playing. Get them called up. King is the biggest ridiculous selection as Wolves signed him as experience for the reserves-like Man Utd have done with Huddlestone and Liverpool with Spearing-to help younger players along.In other words winding down career-was a sub in L2 last season.Him ahead of Maxwell and Cornell is Page old boys club -see World Cup with Joniesta and Gunter. So Tom King, who has never even played a single minute for Wales, who is by any measure is no more than fourth choice behind three other keepers who have barely played all season,who wasn’t even part of the setup in any capacity until just over four years ago, who is never selected unless it is an extended squad or if there is an injury to one of the other three keepers, is somehow part of Page’s old boys club? I do my best not to react to some of these comments but this one really is a stretch. Ha ha |
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 14, 2024 16:08:38 GMT
Not being funny, but Ward is getting £40k week. No-one in their right mind would bin that off. Im not suggesting he bin that off, but he isnt even in the squad. He is what 3rd or 4th choice keeper? Surely if he had wanted there was a loan move open, Leicester save a few £on wages and he gets to play while still on big bucks. He's also got a young child, so planning for the future is probably his main priority. |
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Post by rob on Mar 14, 2024 16:30:11 GMT
King is the biggest ridiculous selection as Wolves signed him as experience for the reserves-like Man Utd have done with Huddlestone and Liverpool with Spearing-to help younger players along.In other words winding down career-was a sub in L2 last season.Him ahead of Maxwell and Cornell is Page old boys club -see World Cup with Joniesta and Gunter. So Tom King, who has never even played a single minute for Wales, who is by any measure is no more than fourth choice behind three other keepers who have barely played all season,who wasn’t even part of the setup in any capacity until just over four years ago, who is never selected unless it is an extended squad or if there is an injury to one of the other three keepers, is somehow part of Page’s old boys club? I do my best not to react to some of these comments but this one really is a stretch. Ha ha Not really-every time need a 4th goalie King is called up.Why not actually long term and call up a youngster for experience-given will not play anyway |
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Post by vvm on Mar 14, 2024 16:46:35 GMT
The only justification I can think for King is that it's for training purposes and he's happy to do it to support in that capacity. I can't see a scenario where our fourth choice gets anywhere near the pitch so is it worth dragging a youngster away from regular club football to fulfill that role? Maybe not but I would still argue it's useful to introduce them to the setup if there is a view they could be more involved in future.
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Post by cadno on Mar 14, 2024 17:37:27 GMT
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Post by manulike on Mar 14, 2024 17:58:27 GMT
Page was very specific in his interview on S4C saying that he has been in constant talks with the medical staff at City? |
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Post by welshowl on Mar 14, 2024 19:38:30 GMT
I'm fairly hopeful that we can despatch Finland in the play-offs S/F, but share the worry of others about encountering Poland in the final. Agree it's high time we get a decent result against them! (Is it just possible, though, that Estonia may confound everyone in their S/F - and sneak an unlikely win against the Poles?) It’s funny that we all seem to think that if we beat Finland then it’s Poland in the final, we haven’t really thought about it being Estonia Finish squad courtesy of the Leeds United website....
Finland Squad:
Lukas Hradecky (Bayer 04 Leverkusen), Jesse Joronen (Venezia FC), Viljami Sinisalo (Exeter City), Robert Ivanov (Eintracht Braunschweig), Richard Jensen (Aberdeen FC), Arttu Hoskonen (Cracovia), Miro Tenho (Djurgårdens IF), Matti Peltola (DC United), Nikolai Alho (Volos NPS), Jere Uronen (Charlotte FC), Pyry Soiri (CS Universitatea Craiova), Ilmari Niskanen (Exeter City), Daniel Håkans (Vålerenga Fotball), Glen Kamara (Leeds United), Rasmus Schüller (Djurgårdens IF), Kaan Kairinen (AC Sparta Praha), Robert Taylor (Inter Miami), Robin Lod (Minnesota United), Anssi Suhonen (Hamburger SV), Teemu Pukki (Minnesota United), Joel Pohjanpalo (Venezia FC), Benjamin Källman (Cracovia), Marcus Forss (Middlesbrough), Fredrik Jensen (FC Augsburg), Oliver Antman (FC Nordsjaelland)
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Post by rob on Mar 14, 2024 19:45:04 GMT
The only justification I can think for King is that it's for training purposes and he's happy to do it to support in that capacity. I can't see a scenario where our fourth choice gets anywhere near the pitch so is it worth dragging a youngster away from regular club football to fulfill that role? Maybe not but I would still argue it's useful to introduce them to the setup if there is a view they could be more involved in future. In reality in 3 years time Ward might be the only one still playing professionally,now is the time to bring in new 3rd and 4th choices.Page is really reluctant to integrate new blood into the squad for some reason. |
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Post by jbt95 on Mar 14, 2024 19:49:57 GMT
Ramsey shouldn’t be in the squad, end of. Cardiff probably were going to say the same, but Ramsey himself and Page wouldn’t listen. |
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Post by zserty on Mar 14, 2024 20:16:06 GMT
It’s funny that we all seem to think that if we beat Finland then it’s Poland in the final, we haven’t really thought about it being Estonia Finish squad courtesy of the Leeds United website....
Finland Squad:
Lukas Hradecky (Bayer 04 Leverkusen), Jesse Joronen (Venezia FC), Viljami Sinisalo (Exeter City), Robert Ivanov (Eintracht Braunschweig), Richard Jensen (Aberdeen FC), Arttu Hoskonen (Cracovia), Miro Tenho (Djurgårdens IF), Matti Peltola (DC United), Nikolai Alho (Volos NPS), Jere Uronen (Charlotte FC), Pyry Soiri (CS Universitatea Craiova), Ilmari Niskanen (Exeter City), Daniel Håkans (Vålerenga Fotball), Glen Kamara (Leeds United), Rasmus Schüller (Djurgårdens IF), Kaan Kairinen (AC Sparta Praha), Robert Taylor (Inter Miami), Robin Lod (Minnesota United), Anssi Suhonen (Hamburger SV), Teemu Pukki (Minnesota United), Joel Pohjanpalo (Venezia FC), Benjamin Källman (Cracovia), Marcus Forss (Middlesbrough), Fredrik Jensen (FC Augsburg), Oliver Antman (FC Nordsjaelland)
There are a couple very good players in there. This is still going to be a very tough game, we will really have to be on form to beat them. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Mar 14, 2024 20:27:28 GMT
So... in the club /country Aaron Ramsey comms debacle , who is telling the truth - Rob Page or Erol Bulut?
(Tend to think that Rambo can't be match-fit enough for forthcoming play-offs and should have ruled himself out).
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 14, 2024 21:51:45 GMT
Ramsey shouldn’t be in the squad, end of. Cardiff probably were going to say the same, but Ramsey himself and Page wouldn’t listen. That's total conjecture |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 14, 2024 23:54:37 GMT
Slightly off topic. But it's interesting to see a player turn down an England call up to focus on club football, we've criticised certain players for this in the past, but it's perhaps a bit more unusual to see it happen to England
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 15, 2024 0:01:00 GMT
Finish squad courtesy of the Leeds United website....
Finland Squad:
Lukas Hradecky (Bayer 04 Leverkusen), Jesse Joronen (Venezia FC), Viljami Sinisalo (Exeter City), Robert Ivanov (Eintracht Braunschweig), Richard Jensen (Aberdeen FC), Arttu Hoskonen (Cracovia), Miro Tenho (Djurgårdens IF), Matti Peltola (DC United), Nikolai Alho (Volos NPS), Jere Uronen (Charlotte FC), Pyry Soiri (CS Universitatea Craiova), Ilmari Niskanen (Exeter City), Daniel Håkans (Vålerenga Fotball), Glen Kamara (Leeds United), Rasmus Schüller (Djurgårdens IF), Kaan Kairinen (AC Sparta Praha), Robert Taylor (Inter Miami), Robin Lod (Minnesota United), Anssi Suhonen (Hamburger SV), Teemu Pukki (Minnesota United), Joel Pohjanpalo (Venezia FC), Benjamin Källman (Cracovia), Marcus Forss (Middlesbrough), Fredrik Jensen (FC Augsburg), Oliver Antman (FC Nordsjaelland)
There are a couple very good players in there. This is still going to be a very tough game, we will really have to be on form to beat them. Their best player is their keeper, their best outfielder plays for a club that 4 of our players are regulars for. And their best goalscorer is playing the tail end of his career in America Don't get me wrong, we should never write anyone off. They will have a bit about them. But it's well within our capabilities to perform well against these, especially at home |
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Post by welshrover on Mar 15, 2024 0:19:27 GMT
Obviously I bow to the greater knowledge of others as I don't really follow EPL/EFL footie but is Morrell injured / suspended?
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 15, 2024 5:52:26 GMT
Obviously I bow to the greater knowledge of others as I don't really follow EPL/EFL footie but is Morrell injured / suspended? Yeah, he’s out for the season |
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Post by zserty on Mar 15, 2024 7:17:19 GMT
There are a couple very good players in there. This is still going to be a very tough game, we will really have to be on form to beat them. Their best player is their keeper, their best outfielder plays for a club that 4 of our players are regulars for. And their best goalscorer is playing the tail end of his career in America Don't get me wrong, we should never write anyone off. They will have a bit about them. But it's well within our capabilities to perform well against these, especially at home I think we are severely underestimating them. Most of their players play top flight in leagues such as Sweden or 2nd tier in Eng/Ger etc. We don't have many playing at a higher level than that. I think we should beat them, but i dont think this is going to be a comfortable one. They hammered N.Ireland 4-0 not long back. |
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Post by athenempadu on Mar 15, 2024 7:18:58 GMT
Ramsey shouldn’t be in the squad, end of. Cardiff probably were going to say the same, but Ramsey himself and Page wouldn’t listen. That's total conjecture I'm guessing the Welsh medical staff were in touch with the Cardiff medical staff, and Page had to act swiftly on these communications as there was a deadline to announce the squad, hence Bulut was inadvertently left out of the loop, either by Page or the Cardiff medical team themselves. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 15, 2024 14:09:14 GMT
Their best player is their keeper, their best outfielder plays for a club that 4 of our players are regulars for. And their best goalscorer is playing the tail end of his career in America Don't get me wrong, we should never write anyone off. They will have a bit about them. But it's well within our capabilities to perform well against these, especially at home I think we are severely underestimating them. Most of their players play top flight in leagues such as Sweden or 2nd tier in Eng/Ger etc. We don't have many playing at a higher level than that. I think we should beat them, but i dont think this is going to be a comfortable one. They hammered N.Ireland 4-0 not long back. But most our second tier players are playing for teams at the top end of the league, whereas the likes of Forss plays for 'Boro. You're right we shouldn't underestimate them, but it's a bit like Leicester playing Birmingham, there isn't a huge gap in quality but still a significant one. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 15, 2024 16:19:24 GMT
On reflection I've probably underestimated both ourselves and Finland. We've got 4 players playing regularly in the Premier League (Neco, Mepham, Wilson, Johnson) and a fifth (Davies) who would be playing regularly if he were at a lower Premier League club. We then have no fewer than 8 players playing regularly at top end Championship clubs (Rodon, Ampadu, James, Roberts, Brooks, Moore, Broadhead, Burns). If we were a club side I think we'd be competitive with PL clubs of the magnitude of Forest through to Bournemouth.
Finland have one top notch player (Hradecky at Leverkusen, their one position where they will have an edge over our equivalent in Ward) and one other top European league player in Jensen (Augsburg). After that they have a couple of players with Cracovia, a team struggling near the foot of the Polish top flight, Kamara at Leeds, and Forss with Middlesbrough. Joel Pohjanpalo plays for Venezia in Serie B (one to keep an eye on with 16 goals this season). So overall perhaps they're closer to a Norwich than a Birmingham in terms of approximate overall quality.
It will be a tough encounter for sure, and they have a lot of height in their team, but we are definitely a step above in overall quality.
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Post by marsvolta on Mar 16, 2024 14:31:05 GMT
Morgan Fox added to squad, Cabango out.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 17, 2024 10:49:02 GMT
Not wishing or attempting to be political but can you imagine the protests during the tournament if Israel get through the play offs.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 17, 2024 12:10:11 GMT
Wes Burns injured yesterday as well
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Post by underwood on Mar 17, 2024 12:19:04 GMT
Wes Burns injured yesterday as well Hamstring, so definitely out. He has been very unlucky with injuries either before, or on Wales duty. |
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