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Post by njdragon on Mar 21, 2024 21:56:31 GMT
Poland are also scoring for fun tonight. So are we |
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Post by melynwy on Mar 21, 2024 21:58:34 GMT
Page being comprehensively out-thought. Cymru have no answer tactically to Finland, we're making them look like world beaters. Bring James and Moore on for Brooks and Johnson and let's press them high up the pitch. Ffs this page hatred has to stop its mindless Yes, that was quite silly! If ever a game and a result justified not playing a hard/high press, that was it! A high press would have killed us before tuesday. Tactically it was very well played tonight. Of course it was a bit nervy at 2-1 for a while, but that wasn’t a tactical issue. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 22:04:35 GMT
Page himself said after the game that we needed to press higher up the pitch, which we did second half, and we exerted a lot more control and were thoroughly deserved winners. But if you think our passivity first half was some sort of masterstroke from Page then you are frankly deluded. Great that he made the necessary adjustments, but why wait for half time to make them?
Cash came on for Poland and went off a few minutes later injured.
Tuesday will be a huge challenge, but we need to be positive in and out of possession from the off. I would start with James and Moore. Johnson was OK, Brooks was good but not at his best.
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 21, 2024 22:07:25 GMT
I don't think we're watching the same game. Finland are dross and giving us more chances than we can take. That first half they had so many but couldn't score for anything, all they had was Pukki. Happy to take it though. |
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Post by melynwy on Mar 21, 2024 22:12:17 GMT
Page himself said after the game that we needed to press higher up the pitch, which we did second half, and we exerted a lot more control and were thoroughly deserved winners. But if you think our passivity first half was some sort of masterstroke from Page then you are frankly deluded. Great that he made the necessary adjustments, but why wait for half time to make them? Cash came on for Poland and went off a few minutes later injured. Tuesday will be a huge challenge, but we need to be positive in and out of possession from the off. I would start with James and Moore. Johnson was OK, Brooks was good but not at his best. It wasn’t a masterstroke, it was simply a good decision. That’s hardly delusional. A high press is much easier when the other team have to score at least two goals, so of course it paid off to an extent when we did it, but was hardly intense. For much of the game we played effective counter-attacking football. Half time was the right time to do tweak the system, as we’d just conceded a few minutes before. Prior to that we were two goals up and evidently that approach was working. When they scored, the pressure upped. As you yourself say, Page then made any necessary changes, which were instantly justified. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 21, 2024 22:14:31 GMT
Page himself said after the game that we needed to press higher up the pitch, which we did second half, and we exerted a lot more control and were thoroughly deserved winners. But if you think our passivity first half was some sort of masterstroke from Page then you are frankly deluded. Great that he made the necessary adjustments, but why wait for half time to make them? Cash came on for Poland and went off a few minutes later injured. Tuesday will be a huge challenge, but we need to be positive in and out of possession from the off. I would start with James and Moore. Johnson was OK, Brooks was good but not at his best. I thought Brooks was outstanding but was just overdoing it a touch. Just some slight fine tuning. I don't think Poland will be the game to play both Wilson and Brooks though. Too similar. Swap either out for James and the defence will have to drop 5 extra yards. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 22:19:24 GMT
You forget that Finland passed up a fantastic opportunity to equalise just before we got our second at 38 minutes. From our early goal up to half time they controlled proceedings and deserved to be level. We just needed to do first half what we did second, not just drop off to half way and put no pressure on the ball carrier.
The set piece attack was excellent, so credit to Page for that. The Neco goal was fantastic and very timely.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 21, 2024 22:25:06 GMT
Brilliant result in the Iceland game btw.
Fuck Israel.
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Post by talyfan on Mar 21, 2024 22:27:40 GMT
Was anticipating more of game from Finland. Out played them. Midfield absolutely terrific, lots of positives regardless
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Post by welshrover on Mar 21, 2024 22:31:09 GMT
My observations for what it is worth.
With a bit more cutting edge up front for the Fins it could have finished 4-4, 6-4.
Our defence looked a bit disorganised at times.
Brennan, doesn't do it for me at the moment.
Kieffer is never going to get any slack from fussy Eastern European referees.
JJ, for the first time in a Wales shirt the first half passed him by, could have been our style of play, but he looked a passenger.
My MOTM, Harry Wilson, does an awful lot of graft that goes unnoticed.
Just my view.
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Post by welshrover on Mar 21, 2024 22:32:16 GMT
Brilliant result in the Iceland game btw. Fuck Israel. Israel probably wish they had a player as good as Gaza was! |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 21, 2024 22:34:25 GMT
Brilliant result in the Iceland game btw. Fuck Israel. Not the best thing to comment on in the current climate. |
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Post by dai on Mar 21, 2024 22:36:38 GMT
I think the Fins played marginally better than us in the first half despite being behind. Second half we were much better. We have to maintain that second half standard against Poland as Tuesday will be another level again.
Johnson still hasn't arrived in a Welsh shirt for me, can't figure out what it is.
Brooks has lost a yard of pace since his cancer diagnosis. Not sure if he will regain it, or just a matter of time while he continues to build fitness.
I think D James has to start against Poland, probably instead of Johnson.
Finally, I think we need to have a minor sort out regarding discipline, a few unnecessary yellows tonight - Mephams' in particular.
Anyway, 4-1 at home in a playoff is pretty special.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 21, 2024 22:39:00 GMT
Brilliant result in the Iceland game btw. Fuck Israel. Not the best thing to comment on in the current climate. I'll comment on what I like, thank you. |
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Post by welshrover on Mar 21, 2024 22:39:18 GMT
Brilliant result in the Iceland game btw. Fuck Israel. Not the best thing to comment on in the current climate. It's a left wing forum conwy, they get away with it. I feel sure if Israel had won and someone had come on here to congratulate them the post would have been deleted by now. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 21, 2024 22:41:33 GMT
Not the best thing to comment on in the current climate. It's a left wing forum conwy, they get away with it. I feel sure if Israel had won and someone had come on here to congratulate them the post would have been deleted by now. It's an open forum, within reason you can post what you like. Why would anyone congratulate Israel? There's many reasons that I don't really need to go through as to why I'm glad they're out. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 22:45:52 GMT
Johnson isn't a 9, so it's unreasonable to expect him to do well in that role. He will excel in a 4-2-3-1, but now isn't the time to go that way.
The huge difference between the control we exerted in the two halves required a modest change tactically - just actively engaging the centre halves so that their passing was under pressure, resulting in far less possession in our defensive third.
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Post by vvm on Mar 21, 2024 22:50:31 GMT
Highlights on tv anywhere? Be nice to fall asleep to in the Cardiff hotel
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Post by welshrover on Mar 21, 2024 22:54:33 GMT
It's a left wing forum conwy, they get away with it. I feel sure if Israel had won and someone had come on here to congratulate them the post would have been deleted by now. It's an open forum, within reason you can post what you like. Why would anyone congratulate Israel? There's many reasons that I don't really need to go through as to why I'm glad they're out. Trust me, experience tells me it is very left wing, I know from having my posts pulled in the past. Don't wish to get in a squabble after a 4-1 Wales win so I will leave it there. Nos da i chi gyd. |
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Post by conwy10 on Mar 21, 2024 22:54:53 GMT
It's a left wing forum conwy, they get away with it. I feel sure if Israel had won and someone had come on here to congratulate them the post would have been deleted by now. It's an open forum, within reason you can post what you like. Why would anyone congratulate Israel? There's many reasons that I don't really need to go through as to why I'm glad they're out. If we have Welsh Jewish fans for example. Obviously I'm not a moderator so it's not up to me to decide, I just don't see what can be gained from it but a whole lot could be lost. |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Mar 21, 2024 23:15:09 GMT
It's a left wing forum conwy, they get away with it. I feel sure if Israel had won and someone had come on here to congratulate them the post would have been deleted by now. It's an open forum, within reason you can post what you like. Why would anyone congratulate Israel? There's many reasons that I don't really need to go through as to why I'm glad they're out. Yeah there's plenty of people on the other side of that one. If you followed things properly you'd know that. But as others have said there's probably a more appropriate thread where we can get into heavy political stuff. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 23:24:34 GMT
Overall there more positives than negative, especially our set piece excellence (bringing 2 goals), and incisive counter attacking. However, we mustn't make the mistakes of the first half. It wasn't so much that we needed to press high but we didn't press at all. That was perfectly illustrated by their goal. We dropped back into our own half, but even then we didn't exert any pressure on their centre backs, so an easy pass could be made into midfield, which was fed onto Pohjanpalo at the edge of our box who fed Pukki to score. Yes Mepham was at fault, but they should never have been given the opportunity to advance the ball so easily in the first place. Credit to Page for rectifying things at half time, but he needs to learn to make adjustments in-half.
If we play like we did second half against Poland we should be favourites to progress.
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 21, 2024 23:24:49 GMT
Johnson isn't a 9, so it's unreasonable to expect him to do well in that role. He will excel in a 4-2-3-1, but now isn't the time to go that way. The huge difference between the control we exerted in the two halves required a modest change tactically - just actively engaging the centre halves so that their passing was under pressure, resulting in far less possession in our defensive third. Johnson didn't really play 9 tonight. More often than not, Wilson played centrally with Johnson drifting right. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 23:30:06 GMT
Johnson isn't a 9, so it's unreasonable to expect him to do well in that role. He will excel in a 4-2-3-1, but now isn't the time to go that way. The huge difference between the control we exerted in the two halves required a modest change tactically - just actively engaging the centre halves so that their passing was under pressure, resulting in far less possession in our defensive third. Johnson didn't really play 9 tonight. More often than not, Wilson played centrally with Johnson drifting right. Not so sure about that, he was certainly our most advanced player out of possession. It's certainly true that Johnson didn't get wide at any stage where he is most effective. |
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Post by hal on Mar 21, 2024 23:39:51 GMT
I think the Fins played marginally better than us in the first half despite being behind. Second half we were much better. We have to maintain that second half standard against Poland as Tuesday will be another level again. Johnson still hasn't arrived in a Welsh shirt for me, can't figure out what it is. Brooks has lost a yard of pace since his cancer diagnosis. Not sure if he will regain it, or just a matter of time while he continues to build fitness. I think D James has to start against Poland, probably instead of Johnson. Finally, I think we need to have a minor sort out regarding discipline, a few unnecessary yellows tonight - Mephams' in particular. Anyway, 4-1 at home in a playoff is pretty special. Completely agree with your comment on Brennan, I was thinking the same thing myself at the game. Just doesn’t seem the same as when I watch him for Spurs/Forest previously. He even moved out to the left after the first 10 mins and still struggled. Hopefully his goal will give him some confidence. I do have to disagree with you about the yellow cards. I thought the referee was an idiot!! One of those referees where it was his game and everything was about him. He was rushing our players up in the 90th minute when we were 4-1 up!!! Moore did nothing and gave away 3 fouls and got a yellow card. I also thought the free kick he gave us for the second goal was extremely soft!!! Where do UEFA find these referees!! Do they get assessed or rated by the teams?? Please, please, please can we have a good one on Tuesday! |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Mar 21, 2024 23:47:38 GMT
Johnson didn't really play 9 tonight. More often than not, Wilson played centrally with Johnson drifting right. Not so sure about that, he was certainly our most advanced player out of possession. It's certainly true that Johnson didn't get wide at any stage where he is most effective. Sorry I meant he drifted into an inside left position when we had the ball with Wilson central and Brooks inside right. Johnson and Wilson looked to interchange quite a bit. So not a classic 9 but a bit of a hybrid. Worked OK without being amazing imo. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Mar 21, 2024 23:52:26 GMT
Frankowski, a wingback who scored Poland's opener tonight came off at half time because of "discomfort", only for replacement Cash of Villa to go off after 10 minutes. That was an area of obvious strength for Poland. Hopefully not so on Tuesday.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2024 0:12:07 GMT
Top scorers for us who were on the pitch tonight;
Moore 12
Wilson 8
James 7
Brooks 4
Neco 4
Brennan 3
C.Robs 3
Broadhead 2
Over the next 4 years I expect Wilson, James, Brooks & Brennan to all hit double figures. I like how their sharing the responsibility though
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Post by manulike on Mar 22, 2024 0:30:22 GMT
I may have just imagined it ... but did JJ and Davies not get a yellow card each - and does it make any difference for the match v Poland?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 22, 2024 0:31:08 GMT
I may have just imagined it ... but did JJ and Davies not get a yellow card each - and does it make any difference for the match v Poland? Pretty sure cards were wiped after the groups |
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