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Post by njdragon on Dec 3, 2023 11:14:14 GMT
Terrible group smh. Won't mind if we don't qualify now. I can already see the reaction from the page out crew when we don’t beat Holland and France. It’s just our little old wales mentality we of course should be competing (as in dominating games) against the likes of these. Page was too arrogant of course in the post match and pre match interviews. |
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Post by surge on Dec 3, 2023 13:24:30 GMT
Getting to international tournaments is about playing the biggest and best. We need to get there first.
For the record, I think Austria are probably better than Netherlands at the moment.
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Post by fiveattheback on Dec 3, 2023 14:24:49 GMT
It's the exact kind of group you want to be in, why qualify and not play the big boys? Playing France, Netherlands and Austria in Berlin, Hamburg and Dortmund? Sign me up!
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Post by mrpicton79 on Dec 3, 2023 15:01:12 GMT
Terrible group smh. Won't mind if we don't qualify now. This is absolutely baffling. Not wanting to qualify because the teams there are too good! Why bother playing competitively at all then? Great group I think. Consistent qualification is our aim/target - the tournament itself itself is a bonus really, and a free shot at a fairytale. Some of us have got short memories. Most people on here have been complaining about how crap we've been playing against the likes of Armenia/Latvia/Turkey etc and how they want Page sacked, yet now they're licking their lips at the daunting prospect of facing the likes of France and Holland (who we never do well against) at a major tournament. What's all this sudden positivity based on? Of course I want us to get there but if we're the laughing stock of the tournament again your summer's going to be memorable for all the wrong reasons. Did you enjoy the World Cup? |
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Post by zingo on Dec 3, 2023 15:44:11 GMT
If you have only been following wales with in the last 10 years,You are part of an entitled wales fan generation,
Lets just hope we get though play offs, because i grew up watching wales not get to any tournaments,
We did not expect to get to any pre 2016,
Its laughable reading some of these comments,the players and the managers and the faw have done brilliant in the last 10 years, just saying !
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Post by morg on Dec 3, 2023 19:37:40 GMT
This is absolutely baffling. Not wanting to qualify because the teams there are too good! Why bother playing competitively at all then? Great group I think. Consistent qualification is our aim/target - the tournament itself itself is a bonus really, and a free shot at a fairytale. Some of us have got short memories. Most people on here have been complaining about how crap we've been playing against the likes of Armenia/Latvia/Turkey etc and how they want Page sacked, yet now they're licking their lips at the daunting prospect of facing the likes of France and Holland (who we never do well against) at a major tournament. What's all this sudden positivity based on? Of course I want us to get there but if we're the laughing stock of the tournament again your summer's going to be memorable for all the wrong reasons. Did you enjoy the World Cup? €9 million for getting to the tournament. I'd put up with an embarrassing group stage for what that would do for us. In addition to the pride at getting to another finals. |
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Post by steveh on Dec 3, 2023 19:58:00 GMT
Yes I did, I wasn't born the last time we played in 1958, 6 of us had 11 days in Dubai, went to all 3 games and yes the football was a disappointment, it normally is, but we were watching little old Wales in a world cup, the memory will last forever and I'd do it all again tomorrow.
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Post by cymro on Dec 3, 2023 20:13:56 GMT
Mad to think we've qualified for 3 of the last 4 tournaments. Why would anyone not want to see this continue. If we get stuffed, at least we were there and had the experience, whether that's being lucky enough to go to the cities and iconic stadiums or just making a day of the matchdays at home. Let's not suddenly try and pretend that qualifying is easy.
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Post by steveh on Dec 3, 2023 20:48:02 GMT
Away games and tournaments aren't just about the football, it's seeing different countries and mixing with like minded supporters from other cultures. Don't get me wrong I hate losing at anything but you've got to be realistic about our chances. Enjoy the experience and if we win it's a bonus!
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Post by jimmytaff on Dec 3, 2023 23:17:49 GMT
This is absolutely baffling. Not wanting to qualify because the teams there are too good! Why bother playing competitively at all then? Great group I think. Consistent qualification is our aim/target - the tournament itself itself is a bonus really, and a free shot at a fairytale. Some of us have got short memories. Most people on here have been complaining about how crap we've been playing against the likes of Armenia/Latvia/Turkey etc and how they want Page sacked, yet now they're licking their lips at the daunting prospect of facing the likes of France and Holland (who we never do well against) at a major tournament. What's all this sudden positivity based on? Of course I want us to get there but if we're the laughing stock of the tournament again your summer's going to be memorable for all the wrong reasons. Did you enjoy the World Cup? If you're going to the games it's about so much more than just the 90 minutes. There's the atmosphere and the socialising with fans from other countries. Went to Qatar and saw the US game where we are average and Iran when we were poor but it was still an amazing experience. Even if soundly beaten every game I'm sure I'd have a great time if we qualify for Germany and I go out there. The build up for the first game will be awesome if we get there. I find myself much more annoyed at the failures I watched on TV (e.g. being thoroughly outplayed by Denmark) than the ones I've watched in person. |
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Post by melynwy on Dec 4, 2023 9:37:28 GMT
This is absolutely baffling. Not wanting to qualify because the teams there are too good! Why bother playing competitively at all then? Great group I think. Consistent qualification is our aim/target - the tournament itself itself is a bonus really, and a free shot at a fairytale. Some of us have got short memories. Most people on here have been complaining about how crap we've been playing against the likes of Armenia/Latvia/Turkey etc and how they want Page sacked, yet now they're licking their lips at the daunting prospect of facing the likes of France and Holland (who we never do well against) at a major tournament. What's all this sudden positivity based on? Of course I want us to get there but if we're the laughing stock of the tournament again your summer's going to be memorable for all the wrong reasons. Did you enjoy the World Cup? Yes, I did enjoy the World Cup. We didn't play well, but we were there. If you're not happy to face the big boys then there's no point trying to qualify. I'm not expecting to beat France and the Netherlands. But getting to play them at a major tournament is what it's all about. |
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Post by melynwy on Dec 4, 2023 9:41:49 GMT
If you have only been following wales with in the last 10 years,You are part of an entitled wales fan generation, Lets just hope we get though play offs, because i grew up watching wales not get to any tournaments, We did not expect to get to any pre 2016, Its laughable reading some of these comments,the players and the managers and the faw have done brilliant in the last 10 years, just saying ! I agree to an extent. But it's also no good referencing the past all the time either. The fans that have started following Wales in the last 10 years are just as important as us. Some younger fans have not known anything else - we've been qualifying for the Euros as long as they can remember. That's not their 'fault' - it's because we've actually been fairly decent for quite a long time now. Not great, no, but about where we can realistically expect to be - consistently pushing for qualification, occasionally slipping up against lesser teams, and occasionally beating stronger teams. Not wanting to qualify in case we get thrashed is totally baffling. |
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Post by jimmytaff on Dec 4, 2023 9:41:52 GMT
Some of us have got short memories. Most people on here have been complaining about how crap we've been playing against the likes of Armenia/Latvia/Turkey etc and how they want Page sacked, yet now they're licking their lips at the daunting prospect of facing the likes of France and Holland (who we never do well against) at a major tournament. What's all this sudden positivity based on? Of course I want us to get there but if we're the laughing stock of the tournament again your summer's going to be memorable for all the wrong reasons. Did you enjoy the World Cup? Yes, I did enjoy the World Cup. We didn't play well, but we were there. If you're not happy to face the big boys then there's no point trying to qualify. I'm not expecting to beat France and the Netherlands. But getting to play them at a major tournament is what it's all about. And if we do beat then it'll be a massive buzz. Sport is nothing without jeopardy |
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Post by jimmytaff on Dec 4, 2023 9:43:14 GMT
If you have only been following wales with in the last 10 years,You are part of an entitled wales fan generation, Lets just hope we get though play offs, because i grew up watching wales not get to any tournaments, We did not expect to get to any pre 2016, Its laughable reading some of these comments,the players and the managers and the faw have done brilliant in the last 10 years, just saying ! I agree to an extent. But it's also no good referencing the past all the time either. The fans that have started following Wales in the last 10 years are just as important as us. Some younger fans have not known anything else - we've been qualifying for the Euros as long as they can remember. That's not their 'fault' - it's because we've actually been fairly decent for quite a long time now. Not great, no, but about where we can realistically expect to be - consistently pushing for qualification, occasionally slipping up against lesser teams, and occasionally beating stronger teams. Not wanting to qualify in case we get thrashed is totally baffling. I agree with what you're saying but we shouldn't overlook that qualifying for the expanded Euros is significantly easier than it used to be. |
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 4, 2023 9:47:30 GMT
Mad to think we've qualified for 3 of the last 4 tournaments. Why would anyone not want to see this continue. If we get stuffed, at least we were there and had the experience, whether that's being lucky enough to go to the cities and iconic stadiums or just making a day of the matchdays at home. Let's not suddenly try and pretend that qualifying is easy. Exactly this! For so long we all dreamt of just qualifying. I think Euro 2016 massively skewed a lot of people’s expectations. 10 years ago going to a tournament and losing every game was THE dream. |
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Post by melynwy on Dec 4, 2023 9:50:48 GMT
Yes, I did enjoy the World Cup. We didn't play well, but we were there. If you're not happy to face the big boys then there's no point trying to qualify. I'm not expecting to beat France and the Netherlands. But getting to play them at a major tournament is what it's all about. And if we do beat then it'll be a massive buzz. Sport is nothing without jeopardy Exactly. It's the hope and the possibility that keeps us going isn't it, not the expectations. These days I expect to get close to qualifying, but beyond that, it's just hope. I always see the tournament itself as a free shot, a potential fairytale. It's the qualifying that's important for us - the qualifying games are the big games for us in my mind- much bigger than the tournament itself. 2016 was a fairytale - the long-term implications of something like that is purely inspirational: inspiring fans and young players. Inspiring kids and giving them Welsh heroes. Even the much maligned 'bandwaggoners' that follow the success might have an important role to play - maybe they start following Wales. Maybe their kids show an interest. Maybe their kids are dual qualified and suddenly Wales is everything. Maybe their kids become good and choose Wales. Who knows! But the important nitty-gritty is qualifying consistently - not EVERY time, but at least getting close. That's what keeps us as a respectable football nation - the dreaming starts after that. Qualification isn't a dream anymore, so being scared of what comes after makes a mockery of why a lot of us follow football in the first place |
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Post by melynwy on Dec 4, 2023 9:52:43 GMT
I agree to an extent. But it's also no good referencing the past all the time either. The fans that have started following Wales in the last 10 years are just as important as us. Some younger fans have not known anything else - we've been qualifying for the Euros as long as they can remember. That's not their 'fault' - it's because we've actually been fairly decent for quite a long time now. Not great, no, but about where we can realistically expect to be - consistently pushing for qualification, occasionally slipping up against lesser teams, and occasionally beating stronger teams. Not wanting to qualify in case we get thrashed is totally baffling. I agree with what you're saying but we shouldn't overlook that qualifying for the expanded Euros is significantly easier than it used to be. Well, we can only play within the system that exists, so I don't think think there's much point thinking about that. Qualifying is still the benchmark. But yes, what you stay probably plays/played a part. |
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Post by janglingjack on Dec 4, 2023 10:11:40 GMT
You all ever heard of two countries called Finland and Poland?,reading half these comments we are there already,when did you all turn into entitled England fans.
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Post by melynwy on Dec 4, 2023 10:23:12 GMT
You all ever heard of two countries called Finland and Poland?,reading half these comments we are there already,when did you all turn into entitled England fans. We're discussing the group that we'll be in if we qualify. There's no point putting that disclaimer in front of each and every post. I'd rather the players and coaching staff put all their thoughts and preparation into the playoffs, but we fans can dream on beyond that. |
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Post by vvm on Dec 4, 2023 10:46:17 GMT
Doesn't hurt to start planning, just got to make sure we have that free cancellation checkbox ticked...
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Post by jbt95 on Dec 4, 2023 11:02:41 GMT
You all ever heard of two countries called Finland and Poland?,reading half these comments we are there already,when did you all turn into entitled England fans. We have two home games. We are odds on favourite to qualify from the path. Dare to dream. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Dec 4, 2023 11:08:32 GMT
Doesn't hurt to start planning, just got to make sure we have that free cancellation checkbox ticked...
I'm looking for Berlin with British Airways and there's plenty of Avios flights to Berlin the day before. Free cancellation. |
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Post by jimmytaff on Dec 4, 2023 11:38:54 GMT
You all ever heard of two countries called Finland and Poland?,reading half these comments we are there already,when did you all turn into entitled England fans. Who has said that? People talking about previous tournaments or hypotheticals. I don't know anyone who is complacent about qualifying |
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Post by daearegwr on Dec 4, 2023 14:53:32 GMT
Doesn't hurt to start planning, just got to make sure we have that free cancellation checkbox ticked...
I'm looking for Berlin with British Airways and there's plenty of Avios flights to Berlin the day before. Free cancellation. Flights prices already skyrocketing so I'm hedging my bets and booking most things now. Even with flights and no free cancellation you can pay a fee to change the dates or even destination so that's my plan if Wales don't make it. England playing in Cologne the same time as we're in Dortmund means the usual flights from Cardiff and Bristol to that part of the world are already eye watering prices on the dates immediately around the game) |
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Post by jimmytaff on Dec 4, 2023 15:42:06 GMT
Exactly. With free cancellation it's no problem.
I'm looking for Berlin with British Airways and there's plenty of Avios flights to Berlin the day before. Free cancellation. Flights prices already skyrocketing so I'm hedging my bets and booking most things now. Even with flights and no free cancellation you can pay a fee to change the dates or even destination so that's my plan if Wales don't make it. England playing in Cologne the same time as we're in Dortmund means the usual flights from Cardiff and Bristol to that part of the world are already eye watering prices on the dates immediately around the game) If we get there we might need to be inventive like many of us were in France. If you're getting robbed blind on a certain route, change up and travel a little e.g I went to Toulouse from Nice with a few stop offs (what a trip!) and to Lyon via Geneva. For me, this added to the experience and was even better than the more direct routes I took to Bordeaux and Paris. The cities we might play in in Germany are well connected so there should be interesting options. |
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Post by abercymru on Dec 4, 2023 19:27:21 GMT
Anyone managed to find reasonable accommodation in Dortmund?
Managed to book the night before and night of the first two games, Hamburg and Berlin.
Finding anything close to the centre of Dortmund is proving much more difficult.
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Post by eppingblue1 on Dec 4, 2023 20:03:55 GMT
Anyone managed to find reasonable accommodation in Dortmund? Managed to book the night before and night of the first two games, Hamburg and Berlin. Finding anything close to the centre of Dortmund is proving much more difficult. I don't think there is much. I've booked a Mercure in Hamm. Right next to the station and about 15 - 20 minutes on the train. But the town looks as dull as dishwater so I'm still looking but nothing is that inspiring. Not overly happy with the Hamburg one but the Berlin one looks great. Like you we've done the night before and after each game. We'll leave the rest until after the play offs. |
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Post by manulike on Dec 4, 2023 21:05:24 GMT
Anyone managed to find reasonable accommodation in Dortmund? Managed to book the night before and night of the first two games, Hamburg and Berlin. Finding anything close to the centre of Dortmund is proving much more difficult. If you don't mind a 4-bed dormitory ... both these are very central and about 2km walk from stadium.
The official DJH youth hostel still has beds for €90. Their doubles are €250 - free cancellation and no pre-payment. The A&O Hostel Dortmund Hbf had a few 4-bed dorms for €55 but now only has singles for €150 - keep checking, as plenty of people have booked this pre-draw and are now cancelling ... Note that the a&o site allows you to set an email alert for when it does become available!
Remember that the ko is 6pm - so you can certainly stay further afield. There are a few proper hotels in Unna and Bochum for €80-€100 and that is under an hour's ride away.
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Post by abercymru on Dec 4, 2023 21:47:41 GMT
Anyone managed to find reasonable accommodation in Dortmund? Managed to book the night before and night of the first two games, Hamburg and Berlin. Finding anything close to the centre of Dortmund is proving much more difficult. If you don't mind a 4-bed dormitory ... both these are very central and about 2km walk from stadium.
The official DJH youth hostel still has beds for €90. Their doubles are €250 - free cancellation and no pre-payment. The A&O Hostel Dortmund Hbf had a few 4-bed dorms for €55 but now only has singles for €150 - keep checking, as plenty of people have booked this pre-draw and are now cancelling ... Note that the a&o site allows you to set an email alert for when it does become available!
Remember that the ko is 6pm - so you can certainly stay further afield. There are a few proper hotels in Unna and Bochum for €80-€100 and that is under an hour's ride away.
I did try the DJH hostel, but when selecting the duration, it just won't let me select a start and end date, and even selecting the duration at the top then start wouldn't work. Think I may look further afield, cheers 👍🏼 |
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Post by mrpicton79 on Dec 4, 2023 21:57:03 GMT
If you have only been following wales with in the last 10 years,You are part of an entitled wales fan generation, Lets just hope we get though play offs, because i grew up watching wales not get to any tournaments, We did not expect to get to any pre 2016, Its laughable reading some of these comments,the players and the managers and the faw have done brilliant in the last 10 years, just saying ! I agree to an extent. But it's also no good referencing the past all the time either. The fans that have started following Wales in the last 10 years are just as important as us. Some younger fans have not known anything else - we've been qualifying for the Euros as long as they can remember. That's not their 'fault' - it's because we've actually been fairly decent for quite a long time now. Not great, no, but about where we can realistically expect to be - consistently pushing for qualification, occasionally slipping up against lesser teams, and occasionally beating stronger teams. Not wanting to qualify in case we get thrashed is totally baffling. Just to be clear I never actually said I didn't want us to qualify. I was implying it wouldn't be the end of the world for me if we didn't given the group I'd just seen get drawn out the hat for us. So no need to be so baffled by everything. |
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