Wales v Iceland/Montenegro Oct24

[dai]

Im very dissapointed with Bellamy tonight. Really lacking in bravery and positivity with his subs.

[insertname]

Let’s call a spade a spade: if this was Page the knives would be out

[dragon64]

Oct 11, 2024 20:30:54 GMT dai said:

I just dont understand why Moore is playing so deep when he’s our only striker on the pitch.

is page wearing a Bellamy mask?

he is learning on the job it will take time

[dai]

I really hoped after Page we wouldnt be playing 90 mins with Moore on the pitch.

[dai]

Embarrassing half of football. Well, it was anti-football

[quetzal]

What have I just watched. I’ll watch the first half now.

[hc16040]

Worst half of football since the Iran game imo

[underwood]

Too many players not playing regularly & it shows.
Also, I mentioned Game Management after the last game & it was much worse tonight.

Bellamy has a lot to learn, but his Honeymoon Period is over swiftly.

[hooky]

Jay Dasilva has to be better than Roberts. He is very poor now. Enough - lets get Dasilva in to see if he can do better and Beck as the understudy

Burns and Cullen should only be in the squad in an emergency. They are totally irrelevant

Cooper - not great but at least in the first half he was solid

Davies was poor - should only be a centre back in a pairing of two

I wish our players would actually target teams where they will start - we are so unfit as a team because of that!

Koumas and Broadhead before Cullen and Burns - what is there to think about. Downright weird

[mrpicton79]

Oct 11, 2024 20:18:56 GMT quetzal said:

Tuned in on about 50 mins. Was playing golf. Were we like this in the 1st half? It’s awful.

That was honestly one of the strangest games I've seen in a while. We were seemingly in total control at half-time, could've easily been 3 or more ahead. Then right as the 2nd half started we fell off a cliff and they could have scored 5 or 6. In the end a draw is fine but no idea what to make of this version of Wales tbh.

[winsumluzsum]

Bubble well and truly burst. Congrats to Iceland second half, fully deserved to win. We were pretty appalling. Second half I'm struggling to think of anyone other than Cooper who played well. Burns was dreadful and and out of possession. Collectively we looked like a lower league team. Totally lacking in composure.

[kracken88]

Has page found a new job yet😁,yes joking but that was beyond bad, did we actually string three passes together all second half?

[aberbeeg]

Too many players not playing regularly. Ward wasting time in the 94th min kinda sums us up. Hanging on like a punch drunk boxer waiting for the final bell

[talyfan]

Didn't do the basics second half. Miles apart on and off the ball. Passes sloppy, exposed on the transitions.

Definitely didn't get a hold of that game second half.

[quetzal]

Oct 11, 2024 20:40:46 GMT mrpicton79 said:

Oct 11, 2024 20:18:56 GMT quetzal said:

Tuned in on about 50 mins. Was playing golf. Were we like this in the 1st half? It’s awful.

That was honestly one of the strangest games I've seen in a while. We were seemingly in total control at half-time, could've easily been 3 or more ahead. Then right as the 2nd half started we fell off a cliff and they could have scored 5 or 6. In the end a draw is fine but no idea what to make of this version of Wales tbh.

Oh no just found out we lost in the U21’s . What a dreadful evening for Welsh football.

[dragon64]

wow Neco first half he was brilliant and our best player today

2-0 to 2-2 feels like a loss

second half we were dire

Iceland need credit they came our fighting and we couldnt cope

now JJ +Brennan out next game we are woefully short in cm

can see something like Neco playing DM but Roberts isnt fit though, but neither is RND match fit so FB becomes an issue

why did Brennan come off injury/to save a second yellow or did Bellamy pull him due to petulant booking?

Bellamy has a lot of work to do

Cullen coming on is baffling if koumas/broadhead not fit why are they on bench both surely come on before cullen
and keeping moore on when we were not playing to his strengths

[welshwhite]

Missed Ampadu massively second half.
Needed Harris and Koumas just to advance the ball up field and alleviate some pressure late on.

[melynwy]

Oct 11, 2024 20:45:14 GMT dragon64 said:

wow Neco first half he was brilliant and our best player today

2-0 to 2-2 feels like a loss

second half we were dire

Iceland need credit they came our fighting and we couldnt cope

now JJ +Brennan out next game we are woefully short in cm

can see something like Neco playing DM but Roberts isnt fit though, but neither is RND match fit so FB becomes an issue

why did Brennan come off injury/to save a second yellow or did Bellamy pull him due to petulant booking?

Bellamy has a lot of work to do

Cullen coming on is baffling if koumas/broadhead not fit why are they on bench both surely come on before cullen

My guess is that Allen will play on monday.

All credit to Iceland for figuring it out and completely changing the game at half-time I say. But the first half still happened, and we were extremely good, so I'm confident we're on the right track. We failed to adapt 2nd half, but's that's something they can hopefully work on.

Under Bellamy now we've had 270 minutes of football. Most of those minutes has been good to outstanding. For 45 minutes today we couldn't figure it out, and unfortunately we paid for to, and the 90 against Montenegro in those conditions were no reflection of anything! He's also the first Wales manager to not lose in his first 3 games (Dylan Ebenezer just said so!) 

[surge]

It's now three games into the new era (one game played in a full bath), so can we please express frustration without losing our heads?

Bellamy came in and talked about patterns rather than formations. Does anyone want to have a go at explaining why it went so wrong in second half with our patterns breaking down leaving us so exposed?

Is it as simple as Ampadu (one of our defensive leaders) being out and Cooper (typically a 10 for his club) asked to do more defensive role?

P.s. we probably should have lost that game. Players like Neco and Harry Wilson didn't let that happen and that's a positive to take. We have some young leaders in the side.

[dai]

A lot of pressure on Monday night now, especially now when missing Jordan James and Brennan.

After the second half, Im not confident of getting three points. Our midfield will be worryingly lightweight with either Sheehan, Cooper and maybe an ageing Allen.

Despite good club form, Sorba and Wes Burns were poor tonight.

Can we get Colwill back in??

[ddirpytnop]

Really poor second half. We absolutely collapsed. Some of that is down to the quality of the players at our disposal. But I think Bellamy's substitions were abysmal.

[dai]

Bizarre post match interview. Bellamy very positive, said the match was ‘perfect’ and the second half was good for us (!)

I understand what he means by that but its a bemusing….

[ddirpytnop]

And the stuff I have just heard him say in his interview on S4C? Jeez - if Page had said any of that, he'd have been crucified.

[conwy10]

I'm not going to go too hard on Bellamy. He's changing a lot and to be fair he's had a decent amount of success in a short period of time.

Things for me, Koumas has a higher ceiling than Burns and Thomas. Ward did brilliant, hopefully we choose a number 1 instead of swapping keepers each match. I think Roberts needs some competition. A few games on the bench to push him on. I think Moore has done well but seems like a 60 minute player. If we're dominating and getting crosses in keep him on, but if we need to stretch the game probably best to give someone else 30 mins.

I am positive about Bellamy. He's trying things and has a bit more intent about him than Page. It'll take time but I think the Turkey game made us think the transition would be a bit easier. His comments after the game were a bit naive too. There's fighting talk and then there's delusion.

[jono]

Ward isn't good enough to be playing out from the back from his own goal line. He'll get caught out just now if he carries on.

Roberts nowhere near good enough for that 2nd goal. There were 7 red shirts in and around the 6 yard box and they still scored.

That 2nd half was Montenegro all over again. The only difference was we didn't get away with it this time.

Where's the golf club?

[iot]

Oct 11, 2024 20:53:24 GMT surge said:

It's now three games into the new era (one game played in a full bath), so can we please express frustration without losing our heads?

Bellamy came in and talked about patterns rather than formations. Does anyone want to have a go at explaining why it went so wrong in second half with our patterns breaking down leaving us so exposed?

Is it as simple as Ampadu (one of our defensive leaders) being out and Cooper (typically a 10 for his club) asked to do more defensive role?

P.s. we probably should have lost that game. Players like Neco and Harry Wilson didn't let that happen and that's a positive to take. We have some young leaders in the side.

Wishful thinking I'm afraid, you're not going to get much level-headed thinking in a forum full of emotive, hot-headed nonsense.

For me, we have to acknowledge that we do lack quality - particularly when missing a few players. I mean, we ended the game with three Swansea players, and let's be honest they're a very average Championship club

[welshrover]

A game of two halves!

[iot]

Oct 11, 2024 20:55:54 GMT dai said:

Bizarre post match interview. Bellamy very positive, said the match was ‘perfect’ and the second half was good for us (!)

I understand what he means by that but its a bemusing….

You've just completely contradicted yourself in that second sentence. If you understand what he means, then it's hardly bemusing is it...

[winsumluzsum]

Bellamy didn't have any answers to the questions posed second half. At no stage did we have any control or sustained possession. Not entirely surprising as I thought we were lacking in our passing even in the first half apart from moments of exceptional quality.

If ever there was a case of compromising on principles and using Moore to relieve the pressure by going long then tonight was it. Is Bellamy willing to be pragmatic? Doesn't look like like it does it.

[surge]

Jeez, are we going to criticise the new manager for post-match comments?

I thought he put across a positive spin on a frustrating evening, while also reminding us he's the same person who hates conceding goals. But he's right really - we need to use this as a learning experience going forward and not get too down on ourselves for having 45 minutes where we're learning rather than thriving.