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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 19:06:44 GMT
Shit ref, shit VAR, cheating pricks. It was never a pen imo, but it's also one of those that no VAR is going to overturn because it's not clear and obvious. Thought the ref was decent aside from that, but a ridiculous decision at the end |
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Post by morg on Nov 16, 2024 19:08:11 GMT
Hahahaha fuck off you bunch of corrupt wankers Again I gently ask what people expected? This part of the world is a clear handicap to play in because you know the ref will play up to the home crowd. Next time give us a nice easy pot two side in Western Europe ffs 😂 The disallowed JJ goal was iffy too no? Thought assistant refs don't generally put their flags up til end of the phase? If she hadn't, then would have been a tight VAR call. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 16, 2024 19:08:30 GMT
I'll take the result, impressed with Darlow, disappointed in Johnson, the pen is debatable.
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 19:08:55 GMT
Rodon has been superb tonight and Darlow has to start every game now 100% - Rodon brilliant at the back, Davies really good too. And yes, I think we have our No. 1. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 19:10:35 GMT
Again I gently ask what people expected? This part of the world is a clear handicap to play in because you know the ref will play up to the home crowd. Next time give us a nice easy pot two side in Western Europe ffs 😂 The disallowed JJ goal was iffy too no? Thought assistant refs don't generally put their flags up til end of the phase? If she hadn't, then would have been a tight VAR call. Nah he was clearly off going by the replay. We’d be fuming if Turkey scored that |
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Post by surge on Nov 16, 2024 19:13:41 GMT
I liked how organised the ball boys/girls were and how they were part of Turkey's game plan.
It wasn't totally different to our performance out in Turkey with Page including being under pressure, then getting frustrated and resorting to attempting worldie's and a dodgy penalty given then missed. Big difference being us having a bit more going forward, 11 v 11 and think we were a bit more with it defensively too.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2024 19:16:46 GMT
Only saw 2nd half. Turkey the better team but we take the point. Look we had the ball in great positions but lacked the killer pass. Unbeaten under Bellamy.
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 19:20:30 GMT
I feel somewhat vindicated that the second half was Bellamy resorting to pragmatism and we tightened up . That’s a good sign for Wales in the long term that Bellamy isn’t wedded to his philosophy at all costs. Sometimes most managers have to dig in and grind a result out.
I do worry that Turkey could hVe won if they had to top the group but let’s take a positive result, regroup and take the positives from that and beat Iceland and see where the cards fall after that
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Post by welshrover on Nov 16, 2024 19:20:59 GMT
Just can't see the appeal of Johnson.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 19:21:08 GMT
The disallowed JJ goal was iffy too no? Thought assistant refs don't generally put their flags up til end of the phase? If she hadn't, then would have been a tight VAR call. Nah he was clearly off going by the replay. We’d be fuming if Turkey scored that He was about 6 inches offside when they put the lines up, the defender on the near side very nearly played Harris on |
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Post by reyrey on Nov 16, 2024 19:23:44 GMT
Does anyone know why we had 2 keepers on the bench instead of Luke Harris, Charlie crew and Savage.
Also was the keeper Harrington mentioned?
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 19:23:45 GMT
Nah he was clearly off going by the replay. We’d be fuming if Turkey scored that He was about 6 inches offside when they put the lines up, the defender on the near side very nearly played Harris on Really? It seemed very obvious from the replay I saw on fucjing viagogo or whatever that awful channel is called |
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 19:24:01 GMT
Well deserved point. Terrific defensive display. Lack of quality up front and midfield, but overall a heartening display. Think that sums it up nicely, we were playing a good side away there will no doubt be several changes v Iceland ,and it will be play off games now in March [unless Turkey lose the last game  ] still fully agree with what Bellamy is trying to do, hope we get some goals at home to finish the group undefeated like to see koumas at 9 drop Brennan for the petulance |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 16, 2024 19:27:13 GMT
I feel somewhat vindicated that the second half was Bellamy resorting to pragmatism and we tightened up . That’s a good sign for Wales in the long term that Bellamy isn’t wedded to his philosophy at all costs. Sometimes most managers have to dig in and grind a result out. I do worry that Turkey could hVe won if they had to top the group but let’s take a positive result, regroup and take the positives from that and beat Iceland and see where the cards fall after that I don't think you really understand what Bellamy's philosophy is, or why he does things |
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Post by marsvolta on Nov 16, 2024 19:28:07 GMT
Does anyone know why we had 2 keepers on the bench instead of Luke Harris, Charlie crew and Savage. Also was the keeper Harrington mentioned? Luke Harris has gone home ill. Not sure why Savage and Crew weren’t on the bench though. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 19:28:14 GMT
Ben Davies MOTM for me, with Rodon close behind. Darlow commanded his area well but his poor distribution was a big factor in the pressure exerted by Turkiye. I'm surprised Ward didn't start this one. It will be interesting to see who starts against Iceland.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Nov 16, 2024 19:29:18 GMT
Good defensive performance, a deserved draw in the end. Would have been cruel to lose to a non-penalty,
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 19:29:44 GMT
I feel somewhat vindicated that the second half was Bellamy resorting to pragmatism and we tightened up . That’s a good sign for Wales in the long term that Bellamy isn’t wedded to his philosophy at all costs. Sometimes most managers have to dig in and grind a result out. I do worry that Turkey could hVe won if they had to top the group but let’s take a positive result, regroup and take the positives from that and beat Iceland and see where the cards fall after that I don't think you really understand what Bellamy's philosophy is, or why he does things Cry more |
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Post by dragon64 on Nov 16, 2024 19:31:45 GMT
Rodon has been superb tonight and Darlow has to start every game now 100% - Rodon brilliant at the back, Davies really good too. And yes, I think we have our No. 1. yes dont see the point now of changing the keeper every game he is looking good there, give him it full time now |
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Post by morg on Nov 16, 2024 19:32:03 GMT
Nah he was clearly off going by the replay. We’d be fuming if Turkey scored that He was about 6 inches offside when they put the lines up, the defender on the near side very nearly played Harris on Yep it was the nearside guy I was looking at. Not saying it was onside, just thought it would have been dealt with differently in the Prem. Again my Welsh isn't up to it but did VAR actually look at the penalty? |
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Post by quetzal on Nov 16, 2024 19:32:48 GMT
I feel somewhat vindicated that the second half was Bellamy resorting to pragmatism and we tightened up . That’s a good sign for Wales in the long term that Bellamy isn’t wedded to his philosophy at all costs. Sometimes most managers have to dig in and grind a result out. I do worry that Turkey could hVe won if they had to top the group but let’s take a positive result, regroup and take the positives from that and beat Iceland and see where the cards fall after that I don't think you really understand what Bellamy's philosophy is, or why he does things What is Bellamy’s philosophy then? Zero shots on target and 11 men behind the ball. Must add I did not see first half. |
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Post by melynwy on Nov 16, 2024 19:33:25 GMT
The massive difference is that you’re comparing Bellamy, 4.5 games in and trying to establish a system, with Page ar the end of his tenure with no system in sight. In the big picture, nothing about this situation is “Page-esque”, other than Page was also a manager, and all managers have tough games. Page’s natural state was to dig in and in this second half, credit to Bellamy, he is also digging in. We are more compact and playing for a point and a mistake by the opposition. So say what you like but Bellamy has learned by force what Page learned a long time ago: that pragmatism has a time and a place for a team with players of the calibre of Wales Maybe, but at least Bellamy is learning and adapting right now, early on. Page never seemed to learn the opposite- when to be risky, when to try to impose yourself on a game. The whole “passing it around the 6 yard box” thing is a means to an end- it’s calculated and very effective when done well, and we’ve done that on occasion, but of course there’s a time to change it up. The fact is, under Bellamy were a hair’s breadth from easily topping the group, and we’re still unbeaten. There have been poor periods of play, and exhilarating periods too. In all but scoreline we thrashed Turkey at home, and of course we really should have held on the 2-0 lead over Iceland. Had the Turkey home scoreline reflected the performance, and if we had what we should against Iceland, we’d have easily won the group. Granted, on the flipside, the victories v Montenegro weren’t particularly convincing. The Iceland 2nd half can be perhaps blamed in part on Bellamy, but he did everything right v Turkey at home - all his system can do is create chances: a striker is no more/less likely to score a given shot whether he’s playing 3-4-3 tiki-taka or playing 8 at the back. And we created loads of chances, so the system did it’s job. As of tonight- 0-0 away v Turkey is a decent result for any nation. It was an exciting game, had a goal disallowed for a marginal (but correct) offside call, and hit the post (which obviously counts as off-target, for those who like to claim that shots on-target are the better efforts!) |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 19:33:34 GMT
Nah he was clearly off going by the replay. We’d be fuming if Turkey scored that He was about 6 inches offside when they put the lines up, the defender on the near side very nearly played Harris on Yes exactly, in the modern age 6 inches is very clearly off |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 19:37:17 GMT
I don't think you really understand what Bellamy's philosophy is, or why he does things What is Bellamy’s philosophy then? Zero shots on target and 11 men behind the ball. Must add I did not see first half. Hahaha yeah good point mate. I look forward to the emperors new clothes-ers to put a positive spin on this onez But to be fair I don’t want to be an asshole to fellow Wales fans even though I suspect they would enjoy an opportunity to be an asshole to me. We all want Wales to win and have different ideas show it should be achieved. Tonight I feel was a throwback to the Page years. I’ll take a backs to the wall 0-0 draw as proof that Bellamy can grind a result out. Let’s regroup and see what we get against Iceland |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 19:42:51 GMT
He was about 6 inches offside when they put the lines up, the defender on the near side very nearly played Harris on Yep it was the nearside guy I was looking at. Not saying it was onside, just thought it would have been dealt with differently in the Prem. Again my Welsh isn't up to it but did VAR actually look at the penalty? Probably not. No doubt the same VAR officials as for the 1 all at home to Turkiye. No doubt took a convenient nap just at the right moment... |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 16, 2024 19:49:02 GMT
Although JJ has a decent game and Sheehan had a good second half, we really missed Ampadu's composure tonight. Wilson had a poor game by his standards, as did Sorba and Brooks when he came on. Harris had one moment of quality that created the chance for Wilson. Johnson, James and Cullen didn't shine either. With so many offensive players off colour I'll take a gritty defensive performance every day.
Brave of Bellamy to bring JJ off and not to have DM alongside Sheehan. Why didn't he bring Allen on at that point? To be fair I don't think we suffered for it.
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Post by melynwy on Nov 16, 2024 19:58:54 GMT
I don't think you really understand what Bellamy's philosophy is, or why he does things What is Bellamy’s philosophy then? Zero shots on target and 11 men behind the ball. Must add I did not see first half. …and a disallowed goal and a good shot against the post. Shots on target is a statistic that’s given way too much importance. That shot against the post was a much better effort than a an easy save from a poor ‘on target’ shot. |
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Post by iot on Nov 16, 2024 20:00:46 GMT
What is Bellamy’s philosophy then? Zero shots on target and 11 men behind the ball. Must add I did not see first half. Hahaha yeah good point mate. I look forward to the emperors new clothes-ers to put a positive spin on this onez But to be fair I don’t want to be an asshole to fellow Wales fans even though I suspect they would enjoy an opportunity to be an asshole to me. We all want Wales to win and have different ideas show it should be achieved. Tonight I feel was a throwback to the Page years. I’ll take a backs to the wall 0-0 draw as proof that Bellamy can grind a result out. Let’s regroup and see what we get against Iceland 'emperors new clothes-ers' - catchy... You have no idea of Bellamy's philosophy because you make several assumptions that are entirely incorrect. If you listen to what Bellamy actually says you'd know that, but you don't appear to follow what goes on outside of this forum / the actual games. If you listen to Bellamy speak you'd hear him say that he has no interest in retaining posession for posession's sake, that everything we do is with a purpose - with the intention of ultimately leading to chances - and his preference is to do that with as few passes as possible. But equally, there's no point just lumping it long without purpose because we're doomed to fail playing that way. We saw in the Turkey home game that some of our best chances came from really direct football, but crucially we'd manipulated the opposition into those scenarios through previous phases of play - by beating their press by playing it out really well and then giving us overloads, Turkey then decided to push up even more, which allowed Ward to ping it over the top a couple of times to Sorba who managed to get in behind. You've just got this lazy assumption - 'oh Bellamy is one of these progressive managers who likes to play tippy tappy football' - but that's just your misunderstanding of what he's all about I'm afraid. |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 20:02:39 GMT
I don't think you really understand what Bellamy's philosophy is, or why he does things What is Bellamy’s philosophy then? Zero shots on target and 11 men behind the ball. Must add I did not see first half. I’ll also add that you know me of old. I was the worst. Totally insufferable until we turned it around and I grew up and then after 2016 success we get the Johnny come latelys trying to make a name for themselves by getting personal. Forgetting that we are on the same team. Honestly, it’s sad to think how combative things have become amongst the fans since we had some success. It was combative before but in the direction of the manager, never amongst the fanbase prior to getting the qualifying monkey off our backs. We have different opinions ffs, why all the triumphalism at the end of it? |
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Post by insertname on Nov 16, 2024 20:10:39 GMT
Hahaha yeah good point mate. I look forward to the emperors new clothes-ers to put a positive spin on this onez But to be fair I don’t want to be an asshole to fellow Wales fans even though I suspect they would enjoy an opportunity to be an asshole to me. We all want Wales to win and have different ideas show it should be achieved. Tonight I feel was a throwback to the Page years. I’ll take a backs to the wall 0-0 draw as proof that Bellamy can grind a result out. Let’s regroup and see what we get against Iceland 'emperors new clothes-ers' - catchy... You have no idea of Bellamy's philosophy because you make several assumptions that are entirely incorrect. If you listen to what Bellamy actually says you'd know that, but you don't appear to follow what goes on outside of this forum / the actual games. If you listen to Bellamy speak you'd hear him say that he has no interest in retaining posession for posession's sake, that everything we do is with a purpose - with the intention of ultimately leading to chances - and his preference is to do that with as few passes as possible. But equally, there's no point just lumping it long without purpose because we're doomed to fail playing that way. We saw in the Turkey home game that some of our best chances came from really direct football, but crucially we'd manipulated the opposition into those scenarios through previous phases of play - by beating their press by playing it out really well and then giving us overloads, Turkey then decided to push up even more, which allowed Ward to ping it over the top a couple of times to Sorba who managed to get in behind. You've just got this lazy assumption - 'oh Bellamy is one of these progressive managers who likes to play tippy tappy football' - but that's just your misunderstanding of what he's all about I'm afraid. So how come we didn’t beat them then? If Bellamy was so forewarned and forearmed how come as quetzal pointed out we were behind in the stats count? Can we agree to can the triumphalism? Quetzal makes a good point that some of the newcomers to this forum have lowered the tone a bit and not for the better so that everyone feels like they have a dog in a race when ultimately we all surely want Wales to win and have different ideas how we get there? Let’s take a step back and chill and accept that Wales won a hard earned point away from home and live to fight another day. Honestly towards the end of the game in the pub I was in it all kicked off when someone chased a lad in and battered him in front of us. It wouldn’t have surprised me if it turned out that it was one one apostle taking offence at another at what Bellamy’s game plan would be. Chill the fuck out. It’s just football |
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