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Post by bringbackelmo on Nov 19, 2024 22:13:59 GMT
We won 4-1 against a decent side and got promoted to the top tier in Europe and some of you are moaning 😂
Try living in the moment lads, you might just enjoy something.
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Post by hooky on Nov 19, 2024 22:16:45 GMT
We won 4-1 against a decent side and got promoted to the top tier in Europe and some of you are moaning 😂 Try living in the moment lads, you might just enjoy something. I agree. I am a Welsh rugby fan too. Imagine how you'd feel if you were a rugby and not a football supporter of Wales! |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 19, 2024 22:26:11 GMT
Good performance in the end. Took us 30 minutes to get our heads on.
Thought Sheehan was marked out the game for most of it or didn't lose his man often enough to be available. Much better when we had the double pivot.
Ben Davies had an interesting one. Defensively solid but going forward just lacking that final ball by either not putting enough on it or not being accurate enough.
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Post by surge on Nov 19, 2024 22:34:34 GMT
I'm happy to treat this as Bellamy's pre-season so not expecting 8 out of 10 performances and am happy just as long as we're learning in the new system.
It's pleasing that we won 4-1 with a midfield of Sheehan, Wilson and Cullen as it is that Rodon had another good game (bit unfair to judge C-a-b-a-n-g-o with him playing left-side of the two, but he did nice defence splitting pass and grew into the game), Brennan was effective and Sorba Thomas did a good job off the bench.
I think we have lots more to show, at least I hope so, but Bellamy has had a good look at lots of players in lots of different scenarios.
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Post by surge on Nov 19, 2024 22:36:27 GMT
P.s. isn't this a Wales Ireland play-off thread as per the OP? C'mon lads, let's get down for last international of the year.
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Post by cymro on Nov 19, 2024 22:39:50 GMT
What a night! Fantastic performance and caps off a brilliant campaign with the almost complete performance we've been building towards. Iceland are no mugs at the minute. Never in a million years thought we had a chance of winning the group too.
What does this mean for March then? 2 friendly matches?
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Post by pclaude on Nov 19, 2024 22:40:35 GMT
More importantly, World Cup Play-off place almost guaranteed. Would need 4 of Spain, Portugal, Germany, France, England & Norway to miss the top 2 in qualifying to not have one. Too many permutations for me. Presumably we'll be in a 5 team group now also in pot 2? Pot 2 yes (think we were guaranteed that as it is WC so seedings go by FIFA rankings) Dont think we are certainties for a 5 team group. The only ones definitely NOT in a five team group are the 8 Group A Nations League quarter finalists. After that it's pot luck. I think though that each group of 5 can only have one team playing NL games in March. |
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Post by welshrover on Nov 19, 2024 22:41:16 GMT
Two big takeaways for me tonight.
Mepham instead of Cabango.
Did Farke tell Dan James not to put too much into tonight's game?
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Post by pclaude on Nov 19, 2024 22:45:33 GMT
What a night! Fantastic performance and caps off a brilliant campaign with the almost complete performance we've been building towards. Iceland are no mugs at the minute. Never in a million years thought we had a chance of winning the group too. What does this mean for March then? 2 friendly matches? Ive just remembered, some groups will start without knowing who is actually in the group. Mad. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 19, 2024 22:48:08 GMT
Look at what a deep thinker about the game Craig is and no disrespect but compare this to Page x.com/i/status/1859002700077429136I just hope he learns to enjoy his spare time and relax as it obvious that he is a massive student of the game! |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Nov 19, 2024 22:59:40 GMT
Look at what a deep thinker about the game Craig is and no disrespect but compare this to Page x.com/i/status/1859002700077429136I just hope he learns to enjoy his spare time and relax as it obvious that he is a massive student of the game! Wish we had this guy 2 years ago, he talks so much sense, he totally understands what the gameplan our team can play, he pushes them, he makes it so enjoyable, you could see under page towards the end the players werent playing for him, still cannot believe that he lasted so long, if he was still in charge I honestly think we would have finished bottom of this group. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Nov 19, 2024 23:00:21 GMT
What a night! Fantastic performance and caps off a brilliant campaign with the almost complete performance we've been building towards. Iceland are no mugs at the minute. Never in a million years thought we had a chance of winning the group too. What does this mean for March then? 2 friendly matches? Ive just remembered, some groups will start without knowing who is actually in the group. Mad. Eh? How does that work? |
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Post by surge on Nov 19, 2024 23:17:10 GMT
It's probably the first time the crowd have come into it a bit more.
Admittedly Bellamy said it was important that the players didn't push it when it wasn't there just because crowd may have been a bit edgy after conceding, but it would be good if we can get back to our best as a home crowd.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 19, 2024 23:19:58 GMT
Why does Cabango always slip? Does he do it at Swansea? Surely it's worth looking into. Boots, balance etc. Something must be wrong. No, he doesn't for Swansea. He was uncomfortable, although playing alongside Rodon, with both being right CBs helped neither. I really hope we don't see that back 4 again. No doubt someone will know the answer but I thought him and Rodon should have a pretty perfect partnership if they both came through the same time at Swansea. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 19, 2024 23:25:34 GMT
Oh. I need to cancel my bookings for Belgrade and Brussels ... And look into options like Malta and the Faroes for March ;-)) 13 December. Gibraltar away. This time it's personal! |
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Post by underwood on Nov 19, 2024 23:41:52 GMT
It felt like two points dropped at the time, but the draw out in Reykjavik got us promoted.
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Post by neverever on Nov 19, 2024 23:59:22 GMT
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 20, 2024 0:12:30 GMT
Two big takeaways for me tonight. Mepham instead of Cabango. Did Farke tell Dan James not to put too much into tonight's game? I'm a little surprised Mepham's not really had a look in, he's a far better player than Cabango |
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 20, 2024 0:13:01 GMT
No, he doesn't for Swansea. He was uncomfortable, although playing alongside Rodon, with both being right CBs helped neither. I really hope we don't see that back 4 again. No doubt someone will know the answer but I thought him and Rodon should have a pretty perfect partnership if they both came through the same time at Swansea. Rodon's about 3 years older isn't he? |
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Post by pclaude on Nov 20, 2024 0:18:17 GMT
Ive just remembered, some groups will start without knowing who is actually in the group. Mad. Eh? How does that work? 8 of the 12 groups will have either or combinations from the Nations League Group A quarter finals. The winners of those games have to be in 4 team groups. The losers will be in 4 or 5 team groups. We will probably be in a 5 team group with 2 qualifiers in March. I think. If we are in a 4 team group, we have friendlies in March & June. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 20, 2024 0:26:19 GMT
No doubt someone will know the answer but I thought him and Rodon should have a pretty perfect partnership if they both came through the same time at Swansea. Rodon's about 3 years older isn't he? Oh is he? For some reason I thought all 3 CB's we had were the same age 😂 good we'll in theory get 3 more years out of him. |
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Post by jbt95 on Nov 20, 2024 1:07:46 GMT
No, he doesn't for Swansea. He was uncomfortable, although playing alongside Rodon, with both being right CBs helped neither. I really hope we don't see that back 4 again. No doubt someone will know the answer but I thought him and Rodon should have a pretty perfect partnership if they both came through the same time at Swansea. Rodon and Cabango played with each other at times during the 2019-20 season under Steve Cooper. |
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Post by redwall on Nov 20, 2024 4:33:59 GMT
I know Bellamy likes to rotate players for energy purposes and given the performances he's gotten out of players like Sorba and Cullen so far, I'm not gonna argue, but I do think we need to pick some CBs and GK who play every game. Energy is less important there and Darlow, Davies and Rodon are by far the best options we have.
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Post by melynwy on Nov 20, 2024 8:01:18 GMT
I know Bellamy likes to rotate players for energy purposes and given the performances he's gotten out of players like Sorba and Cullen so far, I'm not gonna argue, but I do think we need to pick some CBs and GK who play every game. Energy is less important there and Darlow, Davies and Rodon are by far the best options we have. I’d think we’ll be settling on GKs and defenders more after this campaign, and that Bellamy was using the Nations League to give a fair chance to everyone and have a good. He just so happened to win the group and go unbeaten for 6 games! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 20, 2024 8:43:47 GMT
Two big takeaways for me tonight. Mepham instead of Cabango. Did Farke tell Dan James not to put too much into tonight's game? I'm a little surprised Mepham's not really had a look in, he's a far better player than Cabango I think Bellamy just acknowledges that Cabango has travelled all around the world with us and has barely had a look in. Nations League games are a good opportunity to give him some time. With Mepham doing really well at Sunderland, I expect him to be favoured moving forwards |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 20, 2024 9:02:46 GMT
Things I have taken from this campaign:
- Cullen might be the striker we have that best suits Bellamy's system. I'll hold my hands up and say I was completely wrong about him, thought he just wasn't an international footballer. What has surprised me is that he is quite good at dropping deep and his assist for Johnson was arguably more impressive than the 2 goals
- The fact that we can dominate possession against a team like Iceland with Sheehan, Wilson & Cullen as the midfield 3 demonstrates we've come on leaps and bounds under Bellamy. Whenever Page tried to play a back 4 is went horribly in the past, important to remember that. Now we look confident doing it even with a depleted team
- We're not yet ready to dominate possession away against good teams, especially with a depleted XI, but that's okay as long as we try and play when we do have the ball
- Ampadu is key to us being able to beat a top team. Without him I can't see it happening
- We're better than we were under Page, with him at the helm I think the max we're getting is 2nd in this group, likely 3rd. After going ahead against Iceland we'd have sat back yesterday under Page, it's really nice that we go for more goals to be more comfortable
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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2024 9:05:32 GMT
I know Bellamy likes to rotate players for energy purposes and given the performances he's gotten out of players like Sorba and Cullen so far, I'm not gonna argue, but I do think we need to pick some CBs and GK who play every game. Energy is less important there and Darlow, Davies and Rodon are by far the best options we have. I’d think we’ll be settling on GKs and defenders more after this campaign, and that Bellamy was using the Nations League to give a fair chance to everyone and have a good. He just so happened to win the group and go unbeaten for 6 games! I don’t know. Bellamy made a big point before the campaign kicked off that there would be a lot of rotation because he didn’t think our forwards in particular can perform and produce the energy levels needed over 2 games in such a short space of time. Whenever he’s been asked about it in between games, he’s never mentioned any experimentation, and always referred back to the need to rotate to sustain high energy. So don’t be surprised if we see the same trend during the WC qualifiers. I don’t like it personally, I would much prefer a better balance / more consistency - but what do I know! I was going on about how Cullen isn’t up to it before the game, so I think we can safely assume that Bellamy knows his stuff more than us! |
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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2024 9:21:40 GMT
I'm a little surprised Mepham's not really had a look in, he's a far better player than Cabango I think Bellamy just acknowledges that Cabango has travelled all around the world with us and has barely had a look in. Nations League games are a good opportunity to give him some time. With Mepham doing really well at Sunderland, I expect him to be favoured moving forwards I don't read it that way. That would probably be the reason for starting him against Montengro in the previous window, but I don't think it's the explanation this time. While I like Mepham and have often backed him when others have criticised unfarily, there's no escaping that there have been lots of jittery moments whenever he and Rodon are paired together. That was evident against Montenegro away, and I can think of several further examples under Page. I'm just not convinced that they work well as a partnership - they often seem to get in each other's way, perhaps they're too similar with each one trying to be the dominant / body on the line type defender, while Davies offers something different. That said, there were plenty of jittery moments in the first half yesteray too, so I don't think Cabango's the answer either (I suspect Bellamy wanted to give him a chance after he played fairly well against Montenegro). As a first choice, I would go with Roberts-Rodon-Davies-Neco, and then Mepham would be the next in line for me - but I'm not sure Bellamy sees it that way. |
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Post by iot on Nov 20, 2024 9:43:21 GMT
Without wishing to put a dampner on things, the cold hard stats are consistent with how I felt watching the game - which is that our performance wasn't great despite the result. Obviously we imprvoed after the shocking start, but a large chunk of the second half was also very even with chances for both sides. According to this site, a 1-1 or 2-2 score wouldn't have been an unfair result: www.fotmob.com/en-GB/matches/wales-vs-iceland/1p3s05#4422079:tab=factsI think it does show that we can't be too cavalier with our team selections, and I still feel Bellamy is too ready to accommodate a drop off in quality for the sake of rotation. I hope that Bellamy doesn't take this as a lesson that this is the way to go when the proper qualifiers come around. That said, the irony is that each of the three windows have followed the same pattern, with a draw followed by a win - and the wins have come when we've rotated and brought in 2nd or 3rd choice players. |
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Post by rushy on Nov 20, 2024 10:06:21 GMT
Remarkable scoreline , the game never looked like it would end up that way.
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