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Post by BA Baracus on Apr 26, 2017 7:26:47 GMT
This debate always brings out the worst in Welsh fans. On one hand you've got those that say he should never put a Welsh shirt on again and on the other hand you have those who said he should have been immediately included in Cookies squad to stick to two fingers up at all those that slammed him over the years. If he's good enough he should be included, simple as that. I happen to think he's not good enough and I have no idea why Sheffield United are signing him for a season in the Championship next year. I'm with ŷou on this, I simply don't think he is good enough on present form so there should be no debate. No idea why people who used to say that he shouldn't have played cos he was found guilty are now are saying that he shouldn't play even though he is cleared. If they are saying that he shouldn't play irrespective of the court of laws decision then they should have said this before the first case or when he was first charged. He had one good season in League One five years ago. Tom Bradshaw was top scorer in League One last season. |
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Post by iot on Apr 26, 2017 10:33:41 GMT
I'm with ŷou on this, I simply don't think he is good enough on present form so there should be no debate. No idea why people who used to say that he shouldn't have played cos he was found guilty are now are saying that he shouldn't play even though he is cleared. If they are saying that he shouldn't play irrespective of the court of laws decision then they should have said this before the first case or when he was first charged. He had one good season in League One five years ago. Tom Bradshaw was top scorer in League One last season. No, Bradshaw was eighth on the top scorers list, one place above Steve Morrison. He's currently on 8 in the championship without a goal in his last five games. I agree with others here that Ched Evans should be nowhere near the squad at present having only scored a handful of goals in league 1. However, before the incident, he was without a doubt way above bradshaw having scored 30+ in a season (compared to Bradshaw's 17 last season) and also scored ten goals for Norwich in the championship when he was a teenager. I firmly believe that, were it not for this whole episode, he would have become a premiership player by now and probably our main striker. However, he deserves everything he's got because, rape or not, he acted despicably. I can't see him ever going back to those levels and I would be very surprised to see him in a Wales shirt again. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 10:39:31 GMT
He had one good season in League One five years ago. Tom Bradshaw was top scorer in League One last season. However, he deserves everything he's got because, rape or not, he acted despicably. That's bang out of order. You don't deserve to have your life and career completely ruined because you're a bit of a nob. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Apr 26, 2017 11:17:09 GMT
I would say going to prison for 2 and a half years for being sleazy was a high price to pay!!IF giggs is the next manager and ched starts scoring goals and knocking on the door for a call up How's giggs going to say no because of cheds past!?Giggs is hardly a moral compass for his off field behaviour in the past!!
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Post by iot on Apr 26, 2017 11:37:03 GMT
However, he deserves everything he's got because, rape or not, he acted despicably. That's bang out of order. You don't deserve to have your life and career completely ruined because you're a bit of a nob. That's fair enough, I only meant that I can't sympathise with his current predicament and frustrated that we've lost out on a talent that could have played a big part for us over the years. |
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Post by welshiron on Apr 26, 2017 13:04:14 GMT
He was more than "a bit of a knob"
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 15:33:42 GMT
He was more than "a bit of a knob" So he deserves 2 years in jail as well as his career destroyed? Is this the point you're making? |
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Post by welshiron on Apr 26, 2017 15:56:15 GMT
No the point I am making is he was a bit more than a knob.
I said when he was in prison I had no idea if he was guilty I still don't.
Personally, I don't want all the crap that would surround his inclusion and feel that even if he was worth his pace in the squad I think the negatives would far outweigh any positives he can bring
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 16:00:14 GMT
No the point I am making is he was a bit more than a knob. I said when he was in prison I had no idea if he was guilty I still don't. Personally, I don't want all the crap that would surround his inclusion and feel that even if he was worth his pace in the squad I think the negatives would far outweigh any positives he can bring The gist of it is, if we had a striker who was capable of scoring we'd be finding our group a lot easier than we have done. I for one do not care what the media make of us. They shit on us at every opportunity anyway, examples last year being the whole poppy fiasco and the Neil Taylor challenge. I don't believe Ched will ever be of the standard required to be considered for a call up, but if he does somehow miraculously turn his career around and ends up scoring regularly in the Premier League I feel like we should call the lad up. If countries stopped players from pulling on their jersey for being more than a bit of a nob, plenty of top players wouldn't ever have international experience. Would you be telling Coleman not to call Jamie Vardy (racist) or Andre Gray (homophobe) up if they were eligible for a Welsh call up? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 8, 2017 15:25:53 GMT
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Post by llan123 on May 8, 2017 16:21:42 GMT
I'm very pleased for him obviously but that is a really shite signing for Sheffield United even more so considering they will be playing in a division above which Ched never really got going in. Happy to be proved wrong but I really don't think he's Championship quality.
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Post by biwmares on May 8, 2017 16:25:55 GMT
Yes good luck Ched.
But cannot see him ever wearing a Welsh shirt again unless he scores at least 20+ goals in a season, this will be difficult for him given his age & his loss of pace & the years he lost due to his off-field problems.
And we have the youngsters coming through.
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Post by manulike on May 8, 2017 20:34:38 GMT
Great signing and all the best, Ched.
At least their fans appreciate him.
Its up to him now, to prove himself.
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Post by 1gwaunview on May 9, 2017 11:05:41 GMT
Legally he's been exonerated, morally he's inept.
Better to look at others before the inevitable circus that would surround a return for Wales. Who's to say he's capable of playing at that level again anyway? Wales are far better team/squad now than when he last played.
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Post by welshiron on May 9, 2017 11:58:52 GMT
Legally he's been exonerated, morally he's inept. Better to look at others before the inevitable circus that would surround a return for Wales. Who's to say he's capable of playing at that level again anyway? Wales are far better team/squad now than when he last played. Totally agree, he would have to be some player to make it worth all the negativity that would surround his inclusion in the squad. |
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Post by welshiron on May 9, 2017 12:00:14 GMT
No the point I am making is he was a bit more than a knob. I said when he was in prison I had no idea if he was guilty I still don't. Personally, I don't want all the crap that would surround his inclusion and feel that even if he was worth his pace in the squad I think the negatives would far outweigh any positives he can bring The gist of it is, if we had a striker who was capable of scoring we'd be finding our group a lot easier than we have done. I for one do not care what the media make of us. They shit on us at every opportunity anyway, examples last year being the whole poppy fiasco and the Neil Taylor challenge. I don't believe Ched will ever be of the standard required to be considered for a call up, but if he does somehow miraculously turn his career around and ends up scoring regularly in the Premier League I feel like we should call the lad up. If countries stopped players from pulling on their jersey for being more than a bit of a nob, plenty of top players wouldn't ever have international experience. Would you be telling Coleman not to call Jamie Vardy (racist) or Andre Gray (homophobe) up if they were eligible for a Welsh call up? I'm not telling Coleman anything just expressing my views if that's okay with you. As for Gray and Vardy totally different issues |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 9, 2017 20:08:54 GMT
Ched Evans has just come off the bench for Sheff Utd...
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Post by iot on Aug 9, 2017 20:36:26 GMT
Ched Evans has just come off the bench for Sheff Utd... He was named motm and only played the last 30 mins. They were 1-0 down when he came on and made the first goal (an OG after his strike) and assisted the second. Not sure if he was involved in the third. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 16, 2018 21:44:02 GMT
Back from injury and came on for the last 15 mins against Leicester. Blades fans:
“If Chedwyn scores, we’re on the pitch”
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Post by welshiron on Feb 18, 2018 9:58:41 GMT
Back from injury and came on for the last 15 mins against Leicester. Blades fans: “If Chedwyn scores, we’re on the pitch” What a childish chant that was. Pretty safe bet though as can't remember the last time he scored |
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Post by marsvolta on Feb 18, 2018 18:09:50 GMT
Back from injury and came on for the last 15 mins against Leicester. Blades fans: “If Chedwyn scores, we’re on the pitch” What a childish chant that was. Pretty safe bet though as can't remember the last time he scored That’s chant has been around a while,first time I heard it was for Lua Lua at Newcastle and that was years ago |
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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 18, 2018 19:22:19 GMT
We’ve sang the same about Gunter before as well
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 22, 2018 19:07:16 GMT
Ched has scored for the third game on the bounce.
Edit: Just scored again so he’s now on a hat trick.
Edit: Just set up the third. All in the space of 5 minutes.
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 22, 2018 19:55:32 GMT
Ched has scored for the third game on the bounce. Edit: Just scored again so he’s now on a hat trick. Edit: Just set up the third. All in the space of 5 minutes. Go on Giggsy.. just for the lols |
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Post by welshorp on Aug 23, 2018 6:26:38 GMT
I’d love to see him play for Wales again but can’t see it happening until he’s banging them in, in the championship.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 23, 2018 7:50:37 GMT
Personally hope we don't ever need to.
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Post by manulike on Aug 23, 2018 20:53:53 GMT
Ched has scored for the third game on the bounce. Edit: Just scored again so he’s now on a hat trick. Edit: Just set up the third. All in the space of 5 minutes. Go on Giggsy.. just for the lols Both Ched and Wes getting a brace each ;-)
DS reporting that the last time two Welsch players bagged a brace each on the same team was ...
Roberts and Bellers at Norwich ;-)
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Post by iot on Sept 1, 2018 15:07:10 GMT
Ched Evans scores again
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Post by gwernybwch on Apr 7, 2019 9:21:34 GMT
Interesting stat from Leon Barton -
"Top Welsh goal scorer in the football league/EPL this season?
You’re not gonna like this but it’s Ched Evans for League 1 Fleetwood (16 goals)"
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Post by welshiron on Apr 7, 2019 9:44:06 GMT
Nowhere near enough to justify a recall.
If he can get goals at championship level then maybe it not now.
Personally hope never for 2 reasons
1. Means are strikers are doing okay
2. The circus that will surround a call up.
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