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Post by marsvolta on Nov 12, 2021 14:52:38 GMT
The last few comments on this thread were from 2015 and, yes, people were talking about Bradshaw/Church/Vokes haha.
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Post by insertname on Nov 12, 2021 15:33:57 GMT
Give the devil his due, he was right about George Williams! 😂 whatever happened to that guy?
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Post by fiveattheback on Nov 12, 2021 23:15:27 GMT
Give the devil his due, he was right about George Williams! 😂 whatever happened to that guy? Down at Barrow apparently, still only 26! |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 13, 2021 13:04:25 GMT
Give the devil his due, he was right about George Williams! 😂 whatever happened to that guy? Down at Barrow apparently, still only 26! Barrow have a cup run, he impresses in two games against Championship and Premier League teams, his form is monitored, moves to a Championship side in the summer, form continues, ends up on the plane to Qatar! |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 13, 2021 13:16:23 GMT
Down at Barrow apparently, still only 26! Barrow have a cup run, he impresses in two games against Championship and Premier League teams, his form is monitored, moves to a Championship side in the summer, form continues, ends up on the plane to Qatar! ...and then he wakes up |
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Post by jimexotic on Nov 13, 2021 13:32:42 GMT
Barrow have a cup run, he impresses in two games against Championship and Premier League teams, his form is monitored, moves to a Championship side in the summer, form continues, ends up on the plane to Qatar! ...and then he wakes up What can I say, I love a good comeback story! |
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Post by texan on Feb 9, 2022 10:26:48 GMT
Who knows with Morison though, he seems to love ripping the youngsters down as soon as they build up an ounce of confidence for some reason. He's just done it again with Colwill yesterday. He may well be a brilliant youth coach but he's showing himself up to be a poor manager. Behind the scenes with the youth you can let rip as they come through the ranks, but front and centre with the 'A' side you can't do that. You can't talk to the press like you talk to the players, I know he thinks its some sort of refreshing 'honest streak' where all cards are laid out on the table and "everyone knows where they stand with me" bollocks, but it doesn't work. Firstly it devalues your ability to say anything impactful long-term in the dressing room leaving yourself completely exposed, eventually he'll leave himself with nowhere left to go if the side are struggling. Secondly its a betrayal of trust, they're not children yet their dirty laundry's being aired publicly like schoolkids. It only leads to polarised players and polarised performances, with youth that are afraid to make mistakes and senior players that will eventually fall out with him as they won't be prepared to be treated like that. Moore was the first casualty. He needs to learn to shut his gob...fast! |
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Post by gimli on Feb 9, 2022 12:21:04 GMT
Who knows with Morison though, he seems to love ripping the youngsters down as soon as they build up an ounce of confidence for some reason. He's just done it again with Colwill yesterday. He may well be a brilliant youth coach but he's showing himself up to be a poor manager. Behind the scenes with the youth you can let rip as they come through the ranks, but front and centre with the 'A' side you can't do that. You can't talk to the press like you talk to the players, I know he thinks its some sort of refreshing 'honest streak' where all cards are laid out on the table and "everyone knows where they stand with me" bollocks, but it doesn't work. Firstly it devalues your ability to say anything impactful long-term in the dressing room leaving yourself completely exposed, eventually he'll leave himself with nowhere left to go if the side are struggling. Secondly its a betrayal of trust, they're not children yet their dirty laundry's being aired publicly like schoolkids. It only leads to polarised players and polarised performances, with youth that are afraid to make mistakes and senior players that will eventually fall out with him as they won't be prepared to be treated like that. Moore was the first casualty. He needs to learn to shut his gob...fast! Yeah my patience is wearing thin with him. I think he's a bit thick to be honest - he has a bit of that Joey Barton esque thing about him where he thinks he's got these big clever ideas but in reality he's out of his depth. He even compared the way he's treating Colwill and the other young players to the way Pep treats Phil Foden. The main reason he got the job was because he was cheap and it was assumed his relationship with the young players would lead to him developing and integrating them into the first team. But all he's actually done is alienate them all and relegate most of them back to the U23s. What's even more frustrating is he's happy to play other team's young players over ours. He brings in this Doyle from Man City, who looks decent but not noticeably any better than the likes of Colwill and Bowen, and puts him straight into the line up at the expense our own youth players. He claims he needs experienced players around our youngsters to help lessen the load on them, but Doyle has less first team experience than Colwill! He also ignores the fact that our youngsters have been carrying our senior pros this season, but he won't consider dropping the likes of Vaulks and Pack from the matchday squad even though every single one of the youth players that have played this season have out performed them. Morison simply doesn't have a clue what he's doing and is negatively impacting the development of our own players, but he thinks he's a genius with a brilliant plan in place. He's a brilliant example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. |
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Post by dylanjunecymru on Feb 9, 2022 13:40:02 GMT
Who knows with Morison though, he seems to love ripping the youngsters down as soon as they build up an ounce of confidence for some reason. He's just done it again with Colwill yesterday. He may well be a brilliant youth coach but he's showing himself up to be a poor manager. Behind the scenes with the youth you can let rip as they come through the ranks, but front and centre with the 'A' side you can't do that. You can't talk to the press like you talk to the players, I know he thinks its some sort of refreshing 'honest streak' where all cards are laid out on the table and "everyone knows where they stand with me" bollocks, but it doesn't work. Firstly it devalues your ability to say anything impactful long-term in the dressing room leaving yourself completely exposed, eventually he'll leave himself with nowhere left to go if the side are struggling. Secondly its a betrayal of trust, they're not children yet their dirty laundry's being aired publicly like schoolkids. It only leads to polarised players and polarised performances, with youth that are afraid to make mistakes and senior players that will eventually fall out with him as they won't be prepared to be treated like that. Moore was the first casualty. He needs to learn to shut his gob...fast! he isn’t doing anything wrong. Steve morison is the guy that knows these young players better than anyone, got them all playing their best football at u23 level and he’ll continue to do so at senior level. He’s the perfect coach for these players to develop and he’s easing them in at the right moments and at the right pace instead of relying on them. Isaak davies is developing into a better player every game and Morrison’s treatment of him has worked wonders for the kid, will be the same with colwill, bowen and denham and all of these bright young players coming through at cardiff. Don’t question his methods when they’ve been very effective in turning these players into better ones |
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Post by dylanjunecymru on Feb 9, 2022 13:42:02 GMT
He's just done it again with Colwill yesterday. He may well be a brilliant youth coach but he's showing himself up to be a poor manager. Behind the scenes with the youth you can let rip as they come through the ranks, but front and centre with the 'A' side you can't do that. You can't talk to the press like you talk to the players, I know he thinks its some sort of refreshing 'honest streak' where all cards are laid out on the table and "everyone knows where they stand with me" bollocks, but it doesn't work. Firstly it devalues your ability to say anything impactful long-term in the dressing room leaving yourself completely exposed, eventually he'll leave himself with nowhere left to go if the side are struggling. Secondly its a betrayal of trust, they're not children yet their dirty laundry's being aired publicly like schoolkids. It only leads to polarised players and polarised performances, with youth that are afraid to make mistakes and senior players that will eventually fall out with him as they won't be prepared to be treated like that. Moore was the first casualty. He needs to learn to shut his gob...fast! Yeah my patience is wearing thin with him. I think he's a bit thick to be honest - he has a bit of that Joey Barton esque thing about him where he thinks he's got these big clever ideas but in reality he's out of his depth. He even compared the way he's treating Colwill and the other young players to the way Pep treats Phil Foden. The main reason he got the job was because he was cheap and it was assumed his relationship with the young players would lead to him developing and integrating them into the first team. But all he's actually done is alienate them all and relegate most of them back to the U23s. What's even more frustrating is he's happy to play other team's young players over ours. He brings in this Doyle from Man City, who looks decent but not noticeably any better than the likes of Colwill and Bowen, and puts him straight into the line up at the expense our own youth players. He claims he needs experienced players around our youngsters to help lessen the load on them, but Doyle has less first team experience than Colwill! He also ignores the fact that our youngsters have been carrying our senior pros this season, but he won't consider dropping the likes of Vaulks and Pack from the matchday squad even though every single one of the youth players that have played this season have out performed them. Morison simply doesn't have a clue what he's doing and is negatively impacting the development of our own players, but he thinks he's a genius with a brilliant plan in place. He's a brilliant example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. what am I reading😂 doyle has been outstanding since signing |
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Post by texan on Feb 9, 2022 14:03:29 GMT
Don’t question his methods when they’ve been very effective in turning these players into better ones Historically such tactics never work, that's why in FAW trust media training for example what Morison is doing is hammered home as a massive no-no. Its a tool very rarely pulled out the bag and only works when wielded by coaches who really know what they're doing, Morison uses it almost every time he steps in front of the mic these days. Time will tell if his methods work long-term, if they do he'll be a trendsetter as he'll be the first to find success with it in the game. He needs to be careful is all. |
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Post by dylanjunecymru on Feb 9, 2022 14:07:23 GMT
Don’t question his methods when they’ve been very effective in turning these players into better ones Historically such tactics never work, that's why in FAW trust media training for example what Morison is doing is hammered home as a massive no-no. Its a tool very rarely pulled out the bag and only works when wielded by coaches who really know what they're doing, Morison uses it almost every time he steps in front of the mic these days. Time will tell if his methods work long-term, if they do he'll be a trendsetter as he'll be the first to find success with it in the game. He needs to be careful is all. first to find success with it? the managers who have been most successful most the times are the ones who aren’t wusses and don’t let the dressing room walk all over them. Morison being brutally honest and speaking nothing but his mind is probably the only reason this cardiff dressing room has sorted its self out, look at the state mick left it in. |
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Post by underwood on Feb 9, 2022 14:14:39 GMT
Don’t question his methods when they’ve been very effective in turning these players into better ones Historically such tactics never work, that's why in FAW trust media training for example what Morison is doing is hammered home as a massive no-no. Its a tool very rarely pulled out the bag and only works when wielded by coaches who really know what they're doing, Morison uses it almost every time he steps in front of the mic these days. Time will tell if his methods work long-term, if they do he'll be a trendsetter as he'll be the first to find success with it in the game. He needs to be careful is all. ‘FAW trust media training for example what Morison is doing is hammered home as a massive no-no’ Morison did his coaching badges with the FAW. |
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Post by texan on Feb 9, 2022 14:19:42 GMT
Morison did his coaching badges with the FAW. I know, that was my point. |
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Post by texan on Feb 9, 2022 14:20:48 GMT
first to find success with it? the managers who have been most successful most the times are the ones who aren’t wusses and don’t let the dressing room walk all over them. Morison being brutally honest and speaking nothing but his mind is probably the only reason this cardiff dressing room has sorted its self out, look at the state mick left it in. Ok then. |
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Post by gimli on Feb 9, 2022 14:31:10 GMT
He's just done it again with Colwill yesterday. He may well be a brilliant youth coach but he's showing himself up to be a poor manager. Behind the scenes with the youth you can let rip as they come through the ranks, but front and centre with the 'A' side you can't do that. You can't talk to the press like you talk to the players, I know he thinks its some sort of refreshing 'honest streak' where all cards are laid out on the table and "everyone knows where they stand with me" bollocks, but it doesn't work. Firstly it devalues your ability to say anything impactful long-term in the dressing room leaving yourself completely exposed, eventually he'll leave himself with nowhere left to go if the side are struggling. Secondly its a betrayal of trust, they're not children yet their dirty laundry's being aired publicly like schoolkids. It only leads to polarised players and polarised performances, with youth that are afraid to make mistakes and senior players that will eventually fall out with him as they won't be prepared to be treated like that. Moore was the first casualty. He needs to learn to shut his gob...fast! he isn’t doing anything wrong. Steve morison is the guy that knows these young players better than anyone, got them all playing their best football at u23 level and he’ll continue to do so at senior level. He’s the perfect coach for these players to develop and he’s easing them in at the right moments and at the right pace instead of relying on them. Isaak davies is developing into a better player every game and Morrison’s treatment of him has worked wonders for the kid, will be the same with colwill, bowen and denham and all of these bright young players coming through at cardiff. Don’t question his methods when they’ve been very effective in turning these players into better ones Morison was U23 manager for what, just over a year? "knows these young players better than anyone" my arse. He gets far too much credit for their development. They were already good players. This group were runners up in the league at U18 level long before he came along. Isaak Davies is doing well, but Morison's treatment is far from the reason why. Can't believe anyone would seriously try to argue that humiliating a 20 year old in front of the media "has worked wonders" for their development. He's alienated several of the other young players, so much so that Tom Sang and Kieron Evans have had to force their way out of the club on loan to shit clubs to get away from him. You're very naive if you think Morison's methods are actually improving these youngsters. If they succeed it'll be in spite of him not because of him. |
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Post by gimli on Feb 9, 2022 14:33:12 GMT
Yeah my patience is wearing thin with him. I think he's a bit thick to be honest - he has a bit of that Joey Barton esque thing about him where he thinks he's got these big clever ideas but in reality he's out of his depth. He even compared the way he's treating Colwill and the other young players to the way Pep treats Phil Foden. The main reason he got the job was because he was cheap and it was assumed his relationship with the young players would lead to him developing and integrating them into the first team. But all he's actually done is alienate them all and relegate most of them back to the U23s. What's even more frustrating is he's happy to play other team's young players over ours. He brings in this Doyle from Man City, who looks decent but not noticeably any better than the likes of Colwill and Bowen, and puts him straight into the line up at the expense our own youth players. He claims he needs experienced players around our youngsters to help lessen the load on them, but Doyle has less first team experience than Colwill! He also ignores the fact that our youngsters have been carrying our senior pros this season, but he won't consider dropping the likes of Vaulks and Pack from the matchday squad even though every single one of the youth players that have played this season have out performed them. Morison simply doesn't have a clue what he's doing and is negatively impacting the development of our own players, but he thinks he's a genius with a brilliant plan in place. He's a brilliant example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect. what am I reading😂 doyle has been outstanding since signing Doyle's been decent, yes. But I fail to see what he's done that's outstanding? What has he done that Colwill can't do? Or that Bowen couldn't do? All he's doing is blocking the pathway for our own young players. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 9, 2022 22:58:06 GMT
He's just done it again with Colwill yesterday. He may well be a brilliant youth coach but he's showing himself up to be a poor manager. Behind the scenes with the youth you can let rip as they come through the ranks, but front and centre with the 'A' side you can't do that. You can't talk to the press like you talk to the players, I know he thinks its some sort of refreshing 'honest streak' where all cards are laid out on the table and "everyone knows where they stand with me" bollocks, but it doesn't work. Firstly it devalues your ability to say anything impactful long-term in the dressing room leaving yourself completely exposed, eventually he'll leave himself with nowhere left to go if the side are struggling. Secondly its a betrayal of trust, they're not children yet their dirty laundry's being aired publicly like schoolkids. It only leads to polarised players and polarised performances, with youth that are afraid to make mistakes and senior players that will eventually fall out with him as they won't be prepared to be treated like that. Moore was the first casualty. He needs to learn to shut his gob...fast! he isn’t doing anything wrong. Steve morison is the guy that knows these young players better than anyone, got them all playing their best football at u23 level and he’ll continue to do so at senior level. He’s the perfect coach for these players to develop and he’s easing them in at the right moments and at the right pace instead of relying on them. Isaak davies is developing into a better player every game and Morrison’s treatment of him has worked wonders for the kid, will be the same with colwill, bowen and denham and all of these bright young players coming through at cardiff. Don’t question his methods when they’ve been very effective in turning these players into better ones I wouldn't buy into that too much, this group of players have been known to be an exceptional group for a while. It's the one that was fantastic at u18 level (under Bellamy I believe), Morison has certainly had a hand in their development but the "knows them better than anyone" stuff is patently false, Danny Gabbidon made a similar point not long ago. I'm not on board entirely with gimli's argument either, though there have been some murmurings around his treatment of some of the younger players, I'm not sure how true they are. I don't consider Morison's media style refreshing, I think a lot of it is shifting blame and somewhat cowardly and I don't think it's really helped anyone, least of all himself I have to say though I do think gimli is wrong on Doyle, the lad's top class |
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Post by jimexotic on Feb 10, 2022 0:06:39 GMT
Morison is going to keep them up and I think the kids are going to be fine under him
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Post by gimli on Feb 10, 2022 9:10:22 GMT
He got it spot on last night to be fair. Best Cardiff City performance I can remember in a long time.
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Post by fiveattheback on Feb 10, 2022 22:38:12 GMT
Morison is going to keep them up and I think the kids are going to be fine under him I don't think there was ever any real danger of Cardiff going down |
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Post by insertname on Feb 10, 2022 23:46:30 GMT
Morison is going to keep them up and I think the kids are going to be fine under him I don't think there was ever any real danger of Cardiff going down The championship is so uncompetitive at the bottom. You have to be seriously shit to go down as Derby are proving, fighting their way back from a 21 point deficit to overhaul an absolutely abject Peterborough. So yeah Cardiff could have performed considerably crapper than they have done this season and still stayed up with ease. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 1, 2022 22:47:02 GMT
Signed a contract extension until summer 2023
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Post by gimli on Mar 2, 2022 9:40:46 GMT
Bad news for Colwill, Bowen and Evans.
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Post by underwood on Mar 2, 2022 11:42:37 GMT
Bad news for Colwill, Bowen and Evans. Yes, but if they are not good enough, or don’t have the right attitude then they won’t make it at Cardiff or anywhere else & besides they have been superseded by plenty of other decent young Welsh talent. Look at where Isaak Davies is now compared to Colwill, he’s streets ahead in terms of his development & is the most promising Welsh player at the club, a tag he has taken from Colwill. Morison has seen these guys play & train for longer than anyone else in football, so the decisions he has made can hardly be described as snap ones. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 2, 2022 14:02:02 GMT
Bad news for Colwill, Bowen and Evans. Yes, but if they are not good enough, or don’t have the right attitude then they won’t make it at Cardiff or anywhere else & besides they have been superseded by plenty of other decent young Welsh talent. Look at where Isaak Davies is now compared to Colwill, he’s streets ahead in terms of his development & is the most promising Welsh player at the club, a tag he has taken from Colwill. Morison has seen these guys play & train for longer than anyone else in football, so the decisions he has made can hardly be described as snap ones. Colwill is Cardiff's top scorer. Longer than anyone else in football? I imagine Tom Ramasut would take umbrage with that particular claim, as would the countless academy coaches who've developed these players but don't get the spotlight Morison has. This group of young Cardiff players were considered special long before Steve Morison had anything to do with the club. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Mar 2, 2022 14:03:50 GMT
Bad news for Colwill, Bowen and Evans. I really don't get what he's doing with Bowen, he was looking very assured at Championship level and a better passer of the ball than our other midfielders but has now been shunted down into the u23s with Eli King jumping ahead of him in the pecking order. No offence to King but he's shown nothing to suggest he's a better player than Bowen who, on the rare occasions he's had an opportunity, has looked good for Cardiff. Indeed he outshone Ryan Wintle when the two played alongside each other in the cup |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 2, 2022 20:51:46 GMT
Yes, but if they are not good enough, or don’t have the right attitude then they won’t make it at Cardiff or anywhere else & besides they have been superseded by plenty of other decent young Welsh talent. Look at where Isaak Davies is now compared to Colwill, he’s streets ahead in terms of his development & is the most promising Welsh player at the club, a tag he has taken from Colwill. Morison has seen these guys play & train for longer than anyone else in football, so the decisions he has made can hardly be described as snap ones. Longer than anyone else in football? I imagine Tom Ramasut would take umbrage with that particular claim, as would the countless academy coaches who've developed these players but don't get the spotlight Morison has. This group of young Cardiff players were considered special long before Steve Morison had anything to do with the club. Blimey, hadn't noticed that but had to double check to make sure and yeah Colwill is joint top with Kieffer and Flint Probably says more about Cardiff's season than anything, but Colwill being up there is a good thing |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Mar 2, 2022 20:52:43 GMT
Bad news for Colwill, Bowen and Evans. I think in the long run all of these will come good under Morison. We don't have the money to be splashing around and I think he's trying to give them tough love (which I don't agree with). Isaak Davies has kicked on since receiving the tough treatment as well |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 18, 2022 12:00:12 GMT
Steve Morison's been sacked
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