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Post by ontheroadagain on Dec 31, 2016 14:14:55 GMT
Back in the starting line up today as Curtis opts for the tried and trusted.
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Post by hookd on Dec 31, 2016 17:57:42 GMT
Can't believe the rate of deterioration at Swansea this year. Obviously the centre of their defence is a disaster zone. How the hell did such a well established premier league team leave themselves with such a liability prone pair of central defenders and at the same time allow Ashley Williams to leave? What happened to all the money they must have accumulated? They always sold their better players and continued to look to pick up bargains and have apparently run a tight financial ship, so I don't understand why they have ended up in such a weak position? Getting hammered at home by Bournemouth - how is that even possible?
Very sad. Its like Cardiff - when the Welsh clubs prefer to pick up mediocre players/journeymen (how many Scots for example have both clubs picked up) rather than blood local boys then when things take a turn for the worst you end up without any fighting spirit. At least local boys would be expected to fight to the end.
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Post by hookd on Dec 31, 2016 18:01:27 GMT
On the above point. Swansea don't bother trying to sign:
Hal Robson Kanu - Welsh supporters sneered at the possibility but how committed is this player? He would not capitulate like the rest of them. Also the guy has his quality moments. I don't see anyone doing any better than him right now!
James Chester - why no enquiry when you consider how amateur their defence is?
Joe Allen - no they prefer to keep Britton - who is well past his sell by date.
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 1, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
On the above point. Swansea don't bother trying to sign: Hal Robson Kanu - Welsh supporters sneered at the possibility but how committed is this player? He would not capitulate like the rest of them. Also the guy has his quality moments. I don't see anyone doing any better than him right now! James Chester - why no enquiry when you consider how amateur their defence is? Joe Allen - no they prefer to keep Britton - who is well past his sell by date. I totally agree Swans should have signed all 3. £15.5m on Borja Baston who was on the bench yesterday and 20 year old Oli McBurnie comes on with over 30mins left. Could have bought Joe with that and signed Hal on a free. |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 17, 2017 16:31:55 GMT
Taylor is a championship player for me and personally wouldn't make my best 11 for Wales.
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Post by alarch on Jan 17, 2017 17:03:18 GMT
So, who would you play ahead of Taylor at left wing back welshiron? I can't see any compelling alternatives - unless you move Ben Davies out there. But that would leave us exposed in the middle.
It's also interesting that a "Championship player" is being linked with a move to Palace or West Brom.
My own view is that Taylor is a decent player, solid defensively, but a bit limited in attack. Good enough for a lower to mid table Premier League team. Although, as he showed in the Euros, he does carry some threat in that department too, given the right system.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 17, 2017 17:05:17 GMT
So, who would you play ahead of Taylor at left wing back welshiron? I can't see any compelling alternatives - unless you move Ben Davies out there. But that would leave us exposed in the middle. It's also interesting that a "Championship player" is being linked with a move to Palace or West Brom. My own view is that Taylor is a decent player, solid defensively, but a bit limited in attack. Good enough for a lower to mid table Premier League team. Although, as he showed in the Euros, he does carry some threat in that department too, given the right system. If he moves to West Brom, there'll be no getting forward at all. |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 17, 2017 17:12:58 GMT
So, who would you play ahead of Taylor at left wing back welshiron? I can't see any compelling alternatives - unless you move Ben Davies out there. But that would leave us exposed in the middle. It's also interesting that a "Championship player" is being linked with a move to Palace or West Brom. My own view is that Taylor is a decent player, solid defensively, but a bit limited in attack. Good enough for a lower to mid table Premier League team. Although, as he showed in the Euros, he does carry some threat in that department too, given the right system. Just a personal opinion I would play Ben Davies out there and bring in Collins, the problem with this is it would not be so balanced, personally I would like us to play a back 4 with Davies at left back |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jan 17, 2017 22:33:17 GMT
On the above point. Swansea don't bother trying to sign: Hal Robson Kanu - Welsh supporters sneered at the possibility but how committed is this player? He would not capitulate like the rest of them. Also the guy has his quality moments. I don't see anyone doing any better than him right now! James Chester - why no enquiry when you consider how amateur their defence is? Joe Allen - no they prefer to keep Britton - who is well past his sell by date. I totally agree Swans should have signed all 3. £15.5m on Borja Baston who was on the bench yesterday and 20 year old Oli McBurnie comes on with over 30mins left. Could have bought Joe with that and signed Hal on a free. And kept Williams? |
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Post by zenith on Jan 30, 2017 14:11:15 GMT
Off to Villa on a swap deal for Jordan Ayew. Good move?
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jan 30, 2017 14:18:47 GMT
It is for taylor
He will get alot more gametime at villa as he's down to 3rd choice at the swans
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 30, 2017 14:31:34 GMT
More chance of him playing there that's for sure, hope it works out for him.
Saying that I'd prefer if Taylor didn't play in March and we switch to a back four, allowing room for the in form Lawrence to start.
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Post by georgeberrysheadband on Jan 30, 2017 14:44:16 GMT
And assuming as it is a swap deal, Wrexham will get diddly squat rather than the negotiated sell on percentage
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Post by zenith on Jan 30, 2017 15:26:54 GMT
More chance of him playing there that's for sure, hope it works out for him. Saying that I'd prefer if Taylor didn't play in March and we switch to a back four, allowing room for the in form Lawrence to start. This for me too. 4-2-1-3 Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Allen Ramsey (10) Ledley Bale Vokes Lawrence |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 16:03:26 GMT
Villa's current left back was the subject of a 25 million bid from an un-named premiership club recently (possibly Everton) so unless this is Villa lining up his replacement in time for deadline day it is not a given that Taylor will have more chance to play at Villa. It might be another case of re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jan 30, 2017 20:05:07 GMT
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Post by dlwilliams on Jan 30, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
Most Swansea fans are happy to see him go, by the look of it. Personally, I feel he's been made a scapegoat. Most of the Swansea team has been poor this season, not just Taylor.
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Post by georgeberrysheadband on Jan 30, 2017 22:15:07 GMT
That could be a Godsend but very used to things not going to plan with Wrexham so won't get too excited yet |
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Post by manulike on Jan 30, 2017 23:58:48 GMT
That could be a Godsend but very used to things not going to plan with Wrexham so won't get too excited yet If Ash was worth 12m at the age of 32. The wee youngster Neil must be worth double that. I'd say about 2m coming our way, and automatic promotion next year ;-) |
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Post by alarch on Jan 31, 2017 11:53:42 GMT
Most Swansea fans are happy to see him go, by the look of it. Personally, I feel he's been made a scapegoat. Most of the Swansea team has been poor this season, not just Taylor. Sorry to see Taylor go. Most Swansea fans (like most fans generally) are complete numpties. It's true that Taylor hasn't been great this season, especially in attack. But defensively he's probably been the best of a bad bunch, with most of the comedy own goals and defensive blunders down to the centre backs and left backs (Rangel in particular). It's a shame that Taylor never got a chance to play under Clement, given how promising his defensive organisation is, judging by the game against Liverpool (even against Arsenal, in spite of the result). It's probably a good move for Taylor, and good for Wales in the short-tem given the upcoming fixtures. Having said that, is he sure to start ahead of Jordan Amavi - given that Villa rejected a scarcely believeable £25 million offer for his services in December: linkI sincerely hope that Swansea don't do an Utrecht over this swop deal. Although Utrecht's claim for a sell-on fee was never as strong as they believed (because Vorm was surplus to requirements after Fabiaski arrived and just a financial liability) the whole affair was a bit shoddy. The best thing perhaps is for the matter to go to a tribunal. I would have thought that Taylor was worth at least £3 million - perhaps more. So £300,000+ should be on the way to Wrexham in my opinion. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jan 31, 2017 12:06:39 GMT
Most Swansea fans are happy to see him go, by the look of it. Personally, I feel he's been made a scapegoat. Most of the Swansea team has been poor this season, not just Taylor. Sorry to see Taylor go. Most Swansea fans (like most fans generally) are complete numpties. It's true that Taylor hasn't been great this season, especially in attack. But defensively he's probably been the best of a bad bunch, with most of the comedy own goals and defensive blunders down to the centre backs and left backs (Rangel in particular). It's a shame that Taylor never got a chance to play under Clement, given how promising his defensive organisation is, judging by the game against Liverpool (even against Arsenal, in spite of the result). It's probably a good move for Taylor, and good for Wales in the short-tem given the upcoming fixtures. Having said that, is he sure to start ahead of Jordan Amavi - given that Villa rejected a scarcely believeable £25 million offer for his services in December: linkI sincerely hope that Swansea don't do an Utrecht over this swop deal. Although Utrecht's claim for a sell-on fee was never as strong as they believed (because Vorm was surplus to requirements after Fabiaski arrived and just a financial liability) the whole affair was a bit shoddy. The best thing perhaps is for the matter to go to a tribunal. I would have thought that Taylor was worth at least £3 million - perhaps more. So £300,000+ should be on the way to Wrexham in my opinion. Taylor has been shocking for the swans this season,he let's too many crosses go into the box as he doesnt get close enough and that's one of the reasons that why they have conceded lot When he plays for Wales it's normally as a wing back in a back 5 so he gets alot of cover but when he plays for the swans he plays in a back 4,Imo he has a bad attitude and has shown contempt previously when being subbed Remember when we went to a back 4 v Georgia and Serbia we looked suspect at the back,Taylor is good going forward but weak at defending Hopefully this move will be a fresh start for him and he can get some form back |
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Post by rushlegend on Jan 31, 2017 12:49:58 GMT
With Neil Taylor moving to Villa, does that mean that there aren't now any Welsh internationals playing at the Liberty Stadium?
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jan 31, 2017 12:57:05 GMT
With Neil Taylor moving to Villa, does that mean that there aren't now any Welsh internationals playing at the Liberty Stadium? Does not look like it. This is a real shame, I know if we did not have any British players in our line up fans would be demonstrating and making there feelings known with banners etc How do the Swansea fans feel about this? |
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Post by alarch on Jan 31, 2017 15:51:39 GMT
With Neil Taylor moving to Villa, does that mean that there aren't now any Welsh internationals playing at the Liberty Stadium? Does not look like it. This is a real shame, I know if we did not have any British players in our line up fans would be demonstrating and making there feelings known with banners etc How do the Swansea fans feel about this? Disappointed of course, and there's no immediate prospect of any of the youngsters making the breakthrough, perhaps Daniel James next season. Although I don't believe Swanea, or any club, should operate a quote system, of including so many Welsh players regardless of merit - there is a real danger of a disconnect between fans and the team that represents them. At least young Welsh talent is being given every chance to succeed at Swansea with the Category One academy. The bottom line though, is that if they aren't good enough, they won't make the first team squad. |
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Post by alarch on Jan 31, 2017 16:01:03 GMT
Taylor has been shocking for the swans this season,he let's too many crosses go into the box as he doesnt get close enough and that's one of the reasons that why they have conceded lot When he plays for Wales it's normally as a wing back in a back 5 so he gets alot of cover but when he plays for the swans he plays in a back 4,Imo he has a bad attitude and has shown contempt previously when being subbed Remember when we went to a back 4 v Georgia and Serbia we looked suspect at the back,Taylor is good going forward but weak at defending Hopefully this move will be a fresh start for him and he can get some form back Poor perhaps, but shocking? I mean really? What gets my goat is the way fans look for a scapegoat and fail to apply any sort of objectivity and fair-mindedness - and there's more than a hint of that in your comments fireboy. The crticism that Taylor hasn't got close enough to block crosses has some merit, but his general defending capability - especially his tackling and positional play - has been better than the average for a dreadful back four for Swansea this season. His conservatism going forwards has been more of a concern - but even there it hasn't helped that he's often had players in front of him, especially Montero, who are clueless at team play. There is a tendency in the modern game to place too much emphasis on the attacking capabilities of full backs, and pretty much ignore whether they are any good at defending. Taylor, and Richards before him have some grounds for seeing themselves victims of this development. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jan 31, 2017 17:16:19 GMT
Taylor has been shocking for the swans this season,he let's too many crosses go into the box as he doesnt get close enough and that's one of the reasons that why they have conceded lot When he plays for Wales it's normally as a wing back in a back 5 so he gets alot of cover but when he plays for the swans he plays in a back 4,Imo he has a bad attitude and has shown contempt previously when being subbed Remember when we went to a back 4 v Georgia and Serbia we looked suspect at the back,Taylor is good going forward but weak at defending Hopefully this move will be a fresh start for him and he can get some form back Poor perhaps, but shocking? I mean really? What gets my goat is the way fans look for a scapegoat and fail to apply any sort of objectivity and fair-mindedness - and there's more than a hint of that in your comments fireboy. The crticism that Taylor hasn't got close enough to block crosses has some merit, but his general defending capability - especially his tackling and positional play - has been better than the average for a dreadful back four for Swansea this season. His conservatism going forwards has been more of a concern - but even there it hasn't helped that he's often had players in front of him, especially Montero, who are clueless at team play. There is a tendency in the modern game to place too much emphasis on the attacking capabilities of full backs, and pretty much ignore whether they are any good at defending. Taylor, and Richards before him have some grounds for seeing themselves victims of this development. Fair enough Alan,I went overboard with shocking but he has been bad this season,ateotd he's a defender so he should really be concentrating on his defending and I agree with you on montero and barrow,they definitely don't like tracking back to help their full back out |
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Post by manulike on Jan 31, 2017 21:56:11 GMT
Deal officially signed.
Good luck Neil
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Post by zenith on Jan 31, 2017 23:13:38 GMT
With Neil Taylor moving to Villa, does that mean that there aren't now any Welsh internationals playing at the Liberty Stadium? With the other signings tonight, the only player left at a Welsh club is Jazz Richards |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 31, 2017 23:15:04 GMT
Declan John was on the bench for Cardiff tonight.
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Post by zenith on Jan 31, 2017 23:20:06 GMT
Declan John was on the bench for Cardiff tonight. Very surprised he hasn't gone elsewhere during the window, the lad hasn't been near the side since September. He is probably 4th choice left back in Warnock's eyes after Bennett, Richards, Peltier and possibly Connolly. |
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