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Post by cymroircarn on Feb 1, 2017 8:48:23 GMT
Declan John was on the bench for Cardiff tonight. Very surprised he hasn't gone elsewhere during the window, the lad hasn't been near the side since September. He is probably 4th choice left back in Warnock's eyes after Bennett, Richards, Peltier and possibly Connolly. Agree with this. Jazz played left back last night. Recently Cardiff have played Peltier and Bennett there. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 1, 2017 14:43:57 GMT
Does not look like it. This is a real shame, I know if we did not have any British players in our line up fans would be demonstrating and making there feelings known with banners etc How do the Swansea fans feel about this? Disappointed of course, and there's no immediate prospect of any of the youngsters making the breakthrough, perhaps Daniel James next season. Although I don't believe Swanea, or any club, should operate a quote system, of including so many Welsh players regardless of merit - there is a real danger of a disconnect between fans and the team that represents them. At least young Welsh talent is being given every chance to succeed at Swansea with the Category One academy. The bottom line though, is that if they aren't good enough, they won't make the first team squad. Swansea are rapidly turning into watford. Palace have zaha and puncheon who are locally bred in the team currently so long may it continue that we have local players and no disconnect from the local community. I just think that local born players understand the passion of the clubs more than any others. |
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Post by matty on Feb 1, 2017 15:45:00 GMT
Disappointed of course, and there's no immediate prospect of any of the youngsters making the breakthrough, perhaps Daniel James next season. Although I don't believe Swanea, or any club, should operate a quote system, of including so many Welsh players regardless of merit - there is a real danger of a disconnect between fans and the team that represents them. At least young Welsh talent is being given every chance to succeed at Swansea with the Category One academy. The bottom line though, is that if they aren't good enough, they won't make the first team squad. Swansea are rapidly turning into watford. Palace have zaha and puncheon who are locally bred in the team currently so long may it continue that we have local players and no disconnect from the local community. I just think that local born players understand the passion of the clubs more than any others. Not quite a fair comparison though is it? London has three times the population that Wales has, yet size wise it is far smaller. The amount of footballers available to London clubs is far increased, albeit with greater competition for them. It took Puncheon 12 clubs before he found Palace, Zaha came through the youth so I'll give you that one. People rave about Palace's youth system but if those two are the only local boys you have to shout about I'm not overly impressed. The problem runs far deeper in Wales. We just don't have enough youngsters playing football and the pool of potential players is thin to say the least. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 1, 2017 17:47:51 GMT
Yes bro we could certainly improve our record on local-ish players but we also had Moses,clyne,Watson,Routledge,grabban come through recently who are with premiership clubs.
Watford have no local or hardly any British players.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 1, 2017 17:53:10 GMT
And of course Johnny Williams.
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Post by manulike on Feb 5, 2017 15:42:27 GMT
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 5, 2017 18:41:33 GMT
Disappointed of course, and there's no immediate prospect of any of the youngsters making the breakthrough, perhaps Daniel James next season. Although I don't believe Swanea, or any club, should operate a quote system, of including so many Welsh players regardless of merit - there is a real danger of a disconnect between fans and the team that represents them. At least young Welsh talent is being given every chance to succeed at Swansea with the Category One academy. The bottom line though, is that if they aren't good enough, they won't make the first team squad. Swansea are rapidly turning into watford. Palace have zaha and puncheon who are locally bred in the team currently so long may it continue that we have local players and no disconnect from the local community. I just think that local born players understand the passion of the clubs more than any others. While I'd love to have more Welsh players at the Liberty, we still have 10 British first team players... 7 English ... Britton, Cork, Naughton, Routledge, Carroll, Mawson, Dyer 3 Scots.... Fulton, Kingsley, McBurnie. ... so half of the squad is British. Gylfi is basically british and Rangel pretty much an adopted Welshman. There's no question to the commitment the likes of Britton and Rangel have to the cause. Wasn't Bolasie a local player too or have I got that wrong? |
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Post by iot on Feb 5, 2017 20:24:14 GMT
Swansea are rapidly turning into watford. Palace have zaha and puncheon who are locally bred in the team currently so long may it continue that we have local players and no disconnect from the local community. I just think that local born players understand the passion of the clubs more than any others. While I'd love to have more Welsh players at the Liberty, we still have 10 British first team players... 7 English ... Britton, Cork, Naughton, Routledge, Carroll, Mawson, Dyer 3 Scots.... Fulton, Kingsley, McBurnie. ... so half of the squad is British. Gylfi is basically british and Rangel pretty much an adopted Welshman. There's no question to the commitment the likes of Britton and Rangel have to the cause. Wasn't Bolasie a local player too or have I got that wrong? No offence mate, but we're Welsh fans and want to see our Welsh clubs providing opportunities to Welsh players. To me, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether they're English, Scottish, Spanish or from Zimbabwe - they won't contribute towards the national team. And how the hell is Gylfi 'basically British'? |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 5, 2017 20:36:21 GMT
While I'd love to have more Welsh players at the Liberty, we still have 10 British first team players... 7 English ... Britton, Cork, Naughton, Routledge, Carroll, Mawson, Dyer 3 Scots.... Fulton, Kingsley, McBurnie. ... so half of the squad is British. Gylfi is basically british and Rangel pretty much an adopted Welshman. There's no question to the commitment the likes of Britton and Rangel have to the cause. Wasn't Bolasie a local player too or have I got that wrong? No offence mate, but we're Welsh fans and want to see our Welsh clubs providing opportunities to Welsh players. To me, it doesn't make a blind bit of difference whether they're English, Scottish, Spanish or from Zimbabwe - they won't contribute towards the national team. And how the hell is Gylfi 'basically British'? He's been over here approx 10 years now. Yes we want 'our' clubs to provide Welsh players but the most important thing is that Welsh players are given a chance at the clubs they are at. Swansea have produced Davies, Allen, Richards, Shaun Mac in recent years who have all moved on and are playing regularly at their clubs. Wales' main squad of players at the moment mostly seem to be first pick for their clubs or at least getting regular good amounts of game time. The exceptions are those that are injured and HRK. Hopefully it won't be too long before we see another Welshy in the white of Swansea City playing in the Premier League. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Feb 6, 2017 12:27:32 GMT
Swansea are rapidly turning into watford. Palace have zaha and puncheon who are locally bred in the team currently so long may it continue that we have local players and no disconnect from the local community. I just think that local born players understand the passion of the clubs more than any others. While I'd love to have more Welsh players at the Liberty, we still have 10 British first team players... 7 English ... Britton, Cork, Naughton, Routledge, Carroll, Mawson, Dyer 3 Scots.... Fulton, Kingsley, McBurnie. ... so half of the squad is British. Gylfi is basically british and Rangel pretty much an adopted Welshman. There's no question to the commitment the likes of Britton and Rangel have to the cause. Wasn't Bolasie a local player too or have I got that wrong? Sort of local bro. I think he was brought up from a young age in North London, Willesden I think so sorta local. |
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Post by manulike on Feb 11, 2017 19:20:21 GMT
Played 77 minutes today.
Wasn't on the pitch to stop Emyr and Tom though ;-)
Welcome back Neil!
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Post by CrackityJones on Feb 20, 2017 20:58:16 GMT
Started for Villa tonight alongside Chester facing a rival for his Wales spot in Dummett. Any one watching? How do they compare?
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Post by dai on Mar 24, 2017 23:54:11 GMT
In light of tonights events, I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on punishment for Taylor. I'm guessing we're looking at a multiple game ban. 3? More?
I remember when Shawcross broke Ramseys leg, I hated every inch of him, and thought he should be banned from football. I dont feel the same hatred for Taylor right now, for clear reasons, but should he recieve more punishment? Excused from the remainder of our world cup campaign?
Given how poor he's been during the past 3 matches, it may be time to Davies a go at LWB and bring in Collins. Ive seen more confidence im Davies going forward and in defence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2017 0:16:52 GMT
In light of tonights events, I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on punishment for Taylor. I'm guessing we're looking at a multiple game ban. 3? More? I remember when Shawcross broke Ramseys leg, I hated every inch of him, and thought he should be banned from football. I dont feel the same hatred for Taylor right now, for clear reasons, but should he recieve more punishment? Excused from the remainder of our world cup campaign? Given how poor he's been during the past 3 matches, it may be time to Davies a go at LWB and bring in Collins. Ive seen more confidence im Davies going forward and in defence. You have to call a spade a spade. Too often football fans get all worked up about people like Shawcross yet when it's "one of their own" they turn a blind eye. I would not say for one minute that Taylor intended the outcome of what happened (I don't think Shawcross did, if anything the ball was there to be won 'more' in the Ramsey incident) but given where the ball was it was crazy, stupid and suicide to go making a running lunge for the ball in the way that he did meaning that he would have to put at least one foot at shin height. That is seriously red card territory and for him to do that, nevermind the injury, at such a crucial time in our campaign, makes him a bell end of the highest order and he should seriously not be considered for selection again because he has potentially thrown away our campaign. We may have come away with a point that just about keeps us in it but that is in spite of his actions. Davies has been putting in a good shift as an attacking wing back recently, has put in some dangerous balls into the box which is far more than we get out of Taylor and Gunter at the moment. I would like to see us drop wing backs altogether though really. Our current system seems to have had it's day. We need to adapt and start to surprise teams again as we seem to have been figured out, of late. |
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Post by bale-droed on Mar 25, 2017 1:50:01 GMT
In light of tonights events, I was wondering what everyones thoughts were on punishment for Taylor. I'm guessing we're looking at a multiple game ban. 3? More? I remember when Shawcross broke Ramseys leg, I hated every inch of him, and thought he should be banned from football. I dont feel the same hatred for Taylor right now, for clear reasons, but should he recieve more punishment? Excused from the remainder of our world cup campaign? Given how poor he's been during the past 3 matches, it may be time to Davies a go at LWB and bring in Collins. Ive seen more confidence im Davies going forward and in defence. You have to call a spade a spade. Too often football fans get all worked up about people like Shawcross yet when it's "one of their own" they turn a blind eye. I would not say for one minute that Taylor intended the outcome of what happened (I don't think Shawcross did, if anything the ball was there to be won 'more' in the Ramsey incident) but given where the ball was it was crazy, stupid and suicide to go making a running lunge for the ball in the way that he did meaning that he would have to put at least one foot at shin height. That is seriously red card territory and for him to do that, nevermind the injury, at such a crucial time in our campaign, makes him a bell end of the highest order and he should seriously not be considered for selection again because he has potentially thrown away our campaign. We may have come away with a point that just about keeps us in it but that is in spite of his actions. Davies has been putting in a good shift as an attacking wing back recently, has put in some dangerous balls into the box which is far more than we get out of Taylor and Gunter at the moment. I would like to see us drop wing backs altogether though really. Our current system seems to have had it's day. We need to adapt and start to surprise teams again as we seem to have been figured out, of late. I honestly have not been able to understand why Davies and Collins aren't on the field the same time and why Taylor is not out the back making sandwiches |
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Post by Ant on Apr 26, 2017 11:49:00 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 11:50:34 GMT
What a fucking disgrace that is. FIFA are a fucking joke and the sooner it collapses the better.
What grounds do they have to hand out a longer ban for this?
I hope Ireland crash and burn.
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Post by vandenhauwe on Apr 26, 2017 11:52:28 GMT
He was always going to get more than one match just glad it's not more than two!!The irish will be kicking off no doubt...
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 12:01:45 GMT
It's 1 match for a red card and further for a serious offence. He didn't mean to break Coleman's leg, so I don't see why he deserves more than 1.
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Post by Ant on Apr 26, 2017 12:03:48 GMT
This splits opinion massively. I feel for Seamus Coleman, cracking player when I've seen him play, but I've looked at it again for the first time since the aftermath of Dublin and I still think it isn't a terrible challenge. He's gone in to win the ball strongly, which is clearly 50/50 and he's caught him in a weak spot. He's caught him high and gone over the ball which is a problem, so I think it's a red but for FIFA to revisit it and to increase the ban I don't think is necessary.
There's many more challenges that go completely unpunished they need to look at before bowing down to media pressures.
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Post by iot on Apr 26, 2017 13:09:11 GMT
It's a shame as he seems to be playing well. I saw his name trending and most of the tweets went back to the weekend where Villa fans were going on about how well he's doing.
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Post by superdave on Apr 26, 2017 15:18:40 GMT
If Gareth Bale had suffered a broken leg on foot of the same recklessness (two feet, over the ball and out of control) would you all be saying the same thing about Richard Keogh or whichever clogging defender had meted out the tackle?
I seriously doubt it.
I don't think two games is extreme. He's lucky that a straight red for violent conduct isn't a three game ban in the first place. If sarcastically applauding a fourth official gets you a four game ban, you can't be too upset when a literal leg-breaker, possibly ending a player's career (never mind their last probable chance at a World Cup) only ends up with a two game ban. If Bale had been left with a leg dangling like a hanging chad vote for Al Gore in Florida, you'd all be marching to Dublin and Zurich with the pitchforks and flaming torches demanding a good ol' fashioned lynchin'.
And I don't see what basis you can have for complaining about refereeing decisions back in March. Sure Bale almost deserved a red card and a minimum one match ban for the flying kick on John O'Shea a minute earlier, and if it had been properly punished, Seamus Coleman would still be walking under his own effort.
Take off your red tinted spectacles for a second and you'll see you've got out of this a hell of a lot lighter than Ireland have. You're missing Bale for one match for a deserved accumulation of yellows and Taylor for two for an actual leg breaker. Ireland are missing one of their best players for the rest of the campaign (minimum) because of a combination of a weak ref and a tackle so late you were better measuring the delay with a calendar than a clock.
I'm not saying Taylor should necessarily have got longer, but to be up in arms at a two game ban is laughable in the extreme.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 15:51:29 GMT
He was always going to get more than one match just glad it's not more than two!!The irish will be kicking off no doubt... If they have been playing close attention to his performances of late then they will actually be delighted.... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 15:56:07 GMT
It's 1 match for a red card and further for a serious offence. He didn't mean to break Coleman's leg, so I don't see why he deserves more than 1. I see where you are coming from, but two feet off the ground, with momentum to boot. You simply can't do that and I for one think he is lucky with 2 games. I would have given him something like 5 to send out a message that you will get the book thrown at you if you run and then jump with both feet forward and off the geound. 2 games won't stop someone doing that in the heat of the moment when their head has gone and for all we know it could be Bale on the end of it, heaven forbid. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Apr 26, 2017 16:05:42 GMT
If Gareth Bale had suffered a broken leg on foot of the same recklessness (two feet, over the ball and out of control) would you all be saying the same thing about Richard Keogh or whichever clogging defender had meted out the tackle? I seriously doubt it. I don't think two games is extreme. He's lucky that a straight red for violent conduct isn't a three game ban in the first place. If sarcastically applauding a fourth official gets you a four game ban, you can't be too upset when a literal leg-breaker, possibly ending a player's career (never mind their last probable chance at a World Cup) only ends up with a two game ban. If Bale had been left with a leg dangling like a hanging chad vote for Al Gore in Florida, you'd all be marching to Dublin and Zurich with the pitchforks and flaming torches demanding a good ol' fashioned lynchin'. And I don't see what basis you can have for complaining about refereeing decisions back in March. Sure Bale almost deserved a red card and a minimum one match ban for the flying kick on John O'Shea a minute earlier, and if it had been properly punished, Seamus Coleman would still be walking under his own effort. Take off your red tinted spectacles for a second and you'll see you've got out of this a hell of a lot lighter than Ireland have. You're missing Bale for one match for a deserved accumulation of yellows and Taylor for two for an actual leg breaker. Ireland are missing one of their best players for the rest of the campaign (minimum) because of a combination of a weak ref and a tackle so late you were better measuring the delay with a calendar than a clock. I'm not saying Taylor should necessarily have got longer, but to be up in arms at a two game ban is laughable in the extreme. Bans not as long as i thought it would be hes got off lightly a bit like whealen and shane long that night who both should've gone not that any irish man will ever acknowledge it!! |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 16:09:48 GMT
If Gareth Bale had suffered a broken leg on foot of the same recklessness (two feet, over the ball and out of control) would you all be saying the same thing about Richard Keogh or whichever clogging defender had meted out the tackle? I seriously doubt it. I don't think two games is extreme. He's lucky that a straight red for violent conduct isn't a three game ban in the first place. If sarcastically applauding a fourth official gets you a four game ban, you can't be too upset when a literal leg-breaker, possibly ending a player's career (never mind their last probable chance at a World Cup) only ends up with a two game ban. If Bale had been left with a leg dangling like a hanging chad vote for Al Gore in Florida, you'd all be marching to Dublin and Zurich with the pitchforks and flaming torches demanding a good ol' fashioned lynchin'. And I don't see what basis you can have for complaining about refereeing decisions back in March. Sure Bale almost deserved a red card and a minimum one match ban for the flying kick on John O'Shea a minute earlier, and if it had been properly punished, Seamus Coleman would still be walking under his own effort. Take off your red tinted spectacles for a second and you'll see you've got out of this a hell of a lot lighter than Ireland have. You're missing Bale for one match for a deserved accumulation of yellows and Taylor for two for an actual leg breaker. Ireland are missing one of their best players for the rest of the campaign (minimum) because of a combination of a weak ref and a tackle so late you were better measuring the delay with a calendar than a clock. I'm not saying Taylor should necessarily have got longer, but to be up in arms at a two game ban is laughable in the extreme. Bans not as long as i thought it would be hes got off lightly a bit like whealen and shane long that night who both should've gone not that any irish man will ever acknowledge it!! Funny that he laughs at us lot for being up in arms about the ban, when for the last month or so all the Irish have done is complain about Taylor's challenge in a bit to get him a longer ban. Something which won't make a difference to where they finish. Without Coleman they'll probably bottle it anyway, given how they all seem to believe he's their Gareth Bale. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 16:12:17 GMT
If Gareth Bale had suffered a broken leg on foot of the same recklessness (two feet, over the ball and out of control) would you all be saying the same thing about Richard Keogh or whichever clogging defender had meted out the tackle? I seriously doubt it. I don't think two games is extreme. He's lucky that a straight red for violent conduct isn't a three game ban in the first place. If sarcastically applauding a fourth official gets you a four game ban, you can't be too upset when a literal leg-breaker, possibly ending a player's career (never mind their last probable chance at a World Cup) only ends up with a two game ban. If Bale had been left with a leg dangling like a hanging chad vote for Al Gore in Florida, you'd all be marching to Dublin and Zurich with the pitchforks and flaming torches demanding a good ol' fashioned lynchin'. And I don't see what basis you can have for complaining about refereeing decisions back in March. Sure Bale almost deserved a red card and a minimum one match ban for the flying kick on John O'Shea a minute earlier, and if it had been properly punished, Seamus Coleman would still be walking under his own effort. Take off your red tinted spectacles for a second and you'll see you've got out of this a hell of a lot lighter than Ireland have. You're missing Bale for one match for a deserved accumulation of yellows and Taylor for two for an actual leg breaker. Ireland are missing one of their best players for the rest of the campaign (minimum) because of a combination of a weak ref and a tackle so late you were better measuring the delay with a calendar than a clock. I'm not saying Taylor should necessarily have got longer, but to be up in arms at a two game ban is laughable in the extreme. I almost agreed totally with your post, Taylor got what he deserved, Glen Whelan got away with murder (and I mean his disgusting shin high tackle on Richards moreso than the chop to Allen's throat) so I don't think either of us are in a position to moralise on a soap box. Your players were just as thuggish as ours, the difference was that you had obviously worked on how to hide it better as it was basically your entire game plan. Neither side comes out of it looking particularly good. Everyone connected with the FAI (players management and media) have done a stellar job of turning the focus entirely on Wales though, unfortunately. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Apr 26, 2017 16:17:56 GMT
Also if you're posting on a Welsh forum and not expecting a little bit of bias, you're a fool.
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Post by superdave on Apr 26, 2017 16:56:21 GMT
Of course I expect a little bit of bias. Where did I say I didn't? I'm just pointing out that it's a little bit more than a little bit of bias, that's all. Here's a line from above (before I posted):
"I remember when Shawcross broke Ramseys leg, I hated every inch of him, and thought he should be banned from football."
The reaction here, in comparison to that, shrieking about a two game ban for a literal leg breaker, is more than a little bit of bias, and a little bit of double standards.
It's not black and white, but there's no need for "whataboutery", re: Glenn Whelan and others. Whelan didn't "get away with murder"; he got away with a questionable challenge or two. I'm not denying Ireland got a few favourable decisions. However, both teams did: Bale got away with a challenge worse than anything any Irish player did. The ref was lenient to both sides on the night, there's no doubt about that, and indeed there's a solid argument that with a stronger ref, who had properly punished your bun-haired hero, Coleman would have been grand. I note that this has not been denied.
Anyway, engaging with the whataboutery, the long and the short of it is this: the worst two challenges on the night (by a f**king long shot) came inside the space of sixty seconds, and they both came from Welsh players. That's undeniable. You can have no complaints with a two game ban for Taylor, and whether Whelan or Long should have been sent off has literally nothing to do with that.
And Coleman, while he is one of our best players, is not Gareth Bale. Bale is head and shoulders your best player; Coleman is merely a solid, consistent Premier League pro, in comparison. We don't have many of them, which is why he's a big miss.
Further, as acknowledged above: "2 games won't stop someone doing that in the heat of the moment when their head has gone and for all we know it could be Bale on the end of it, heaven forbid."
Maybe that's why Irish fans wanted a longer ban for Neil Taylor. A 2 game ban won't stop players diving in like that. If it was a six game ban, maybe it would. I'm not saying it should have been that length, but we can all agree tackles like Taylor's have no place in the game. In short, and to reiterate the main point, to be up in arms about a two game ban for Neil Taylor, is laughable in the extreme.
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Post by iot on Apr 26, 2017 17:01:36 GMT
If Gareth Bale had suffered a broken leg on foot of the same recklessness (two feet, over the ball and out of control) would you all be saying the same thing about Richard Keogh or whichever clogging defender had meted out the tackle? I seriously doubt it. I don't think two games is extreme. He's lucky that a straight red for violent conduct isn't a three game ban in the first place. If sarcastically applauding a fourth official gets you a four game ban, you can't be too upset when a literal leg-breaker, possibly ending a player's career (never mind their last probable chance at a World Cup) only ends up with a two game ban. If Bale had been left with a leg dangling like a hanging chad vote for Al Gore in Florida, you'd all be marching to Dublin and Zurich with the pitchforks and flaming torches demanding a good ol' fashioned lynchin'. And I don't see what basis you can have for complaining about refereeing decisions back in March. Sure Bale almost deserved a red card and a minimum one match ban for the flying kick on John O'Shea a minute earlier, and if it had been properly punished, Seamus Coleman would still be walking under his own effort. Take off your red tinted spectacles for a second and you'll see you've got out of this a hell of a lot lighter than Ireland have. You're missing Bale for one match for a deserved accumulation of yellows and Taylor for two for an actual leg breaker. Ireland are missing one of their best players for the rest of the campaign (minimum) because of a combination of a weak ref and a tackle so late you were better measuring the delay with a calendar than a clock. I'm not saying Taylor should necessarily have got longer, but to be up in arms at a two game ban is laughable in the extreme. "If Gareth Bale had suffered a broken leg on foot of the same recklessness (two feet, over the ball and out of control) would you all be saying the same thing about Richard Keogh or whichever clogging defender had meted out the tackle? I seriously doubt it." You're probably right, but that wouldn't make it any more right. We'd probably be just as angry, perhaps even as angry as the Uruguayans who sent death threats to Paul Dummett after his challenge on Suarez nearly ruled him out of the 2014 world cup! However, as I say, that wouldn't make it any more right. When deciding on a punishment for an offence, it's always better to take emotion out of it. I think this is wrong as Taylor is being punished (and lambasted by the football community) more for the consequence of his action than for the action itself. His challenge wasn't worse than dozens you might see throughout a football season, but it's only one or two that actually lead to a serious injury. If the timing of the challenge or Coleman's run had been a split second different, he probably would have scraped the side of his leg and might have been sent off, but no one would make a fuss, even though the action itself wouldn't have been any worse. To me, that's unfair. Personally, I believe he should be judged more on the action itself and the intent rather than the end result, and receive the same punishment to other challenges of a similar nature regardless of the end result. You're point on Gareth Bale deserving a red card is absolute nonsense. Players dive in all the time when the ball goes across the goal line to try and nudge it in. This was no different, it's just that John O'she dived in on a different angle and reached the ball first, with Bale's foot following through and caught his leg. |
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