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Post by alarch on Jun 4, 2014 12:07:06 GMT
On Wikipedia he's down as 5'11" (although if you look elsewhere online he's down as 5'6" - which is obviously nonsense). If he's less than 6" then that's a bit on the short side for a centre half. Having said that James Chester is also only 5' 11", and Ashley Williams is just 6'.
Ideally you want at least one tall centre half - so perhaps we'll have to keep James Collins in the side for a while yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 13:40:38 GMT
He is class!
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Post by bale-droed on Jun 28, 2014 14:29:42 GMT
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Post by ysbryd on Jun 28, 2014 14:52:59 GMT
Assuming that he would get regular game time he would benefit by playing for a big club with a manager that doesn't stick to the English way. The fact that Spurs are in the Europa league might not enthuse the average Spurs fan but would help to develop Ben for the international stage we want him to excel on.  |
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Post by abwales on Jun 28, 2014 16:21:42 GMT
A move to spurs would be great. Its been a problem position for them for a while, and them trying to sign him tells me they see him as their left back for the next 10 years. Its a good step up from Swansea, a club with a great future, great manager, and it leaves Taylor first choice at Swansea.
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Post by llannerch on Jun 28, 2014 16:26:28 GMT
If Luke Shaw is worth £25m or thereabouts then Davies is worth, what, £15m. I'm assuming there's a £7m premium on Shaw just because he's English and £3m extra because Manchester United are desperate for a left back. Davies is an established international which Shaw isn't
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2014 16:52:00 GMT
If Luke Shaw is worth £25m or thereabouts then Davies is worth, what, £15m. I'm assuming there's a £7m premium on Shaw just because he's English and £3m extra because Manchester United are desperate for a left back. Davies is an established international which Shaw isn't How do you quantify playing for Wales at international level? I don't think being a Welsh international adds anything to a players transfer value unless they have proved to be a match winner at that level a la Bale. Even then I wonder how much Bale's performances under Speed contributed to his 86 million transfer fee. Not a lot I wouldn't have thought. Strangely, being an England international seems to inflate a player's value considerably, obviously only in the eyes of the selling club. I recall Emile Heskey being persona non grata when playing for a club (Liverpool?) then a totally random cap from nowhere from the then England manager (McLaren?) resulted in a great performance and a transfer a few weeks later for an incredible amount that simply would not have happened without the profile of that England comeback. Playing for England truly is a unique goldfishbowl that magnifies a players worth way beyond their true value. Crazy stuff. You would imagine going on recent England performances that they buyer will now be very wary of buying into these inflated transfer costs. |
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Post by Tim P on Jun 30, 2014 15:34:44 GMT
Is Luke Shaw a better player than Ben Davies? Not especially bothered, but it's an interesting thought.
Spurs buying him is highly interesting on the basis that they buy players with a view to selling them for massive profits. Bodes well for us.
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Post by welshiron on Jun 30, 2014 19:07:24 GMT
I haven't seen a lot of Luke Shaw so couldnt comment on who is the better player
However, he hasn't played European football and has barely played international football
Based on that Swansea should play hard ball and look to getting closer to £20m
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2014 21:02:33 GMT
Good news for Ben Davies, I hope he moves abroad in the future, and good news for Neil Taylor, hopefully he gets regular first team football next season.
A lot of teams in the world cup playing 3 centre backs, could this work for us? - Collins Williams Chester - then: Davies and Taylor/Matthews/Gunter full backs?
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 10, 2014 9:46:49 GMT
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Post by abwales on Jul 10, 2014 12:10:57 GMT
Evra replacement? They've already got a 30 million quid replacement. At Liverpool he would be first choice unless they sign someone else, so either way spurs or Liverpool will work for me.
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Post by Tim P on Jul 10, 2014 16:30:19 GMT
Evra replacement? They've already got a 30 million quid replacement. At Liverpool he would be first choice unless they sign someone else, so either way spurs or Liverpool will work for me. Liverpool are in the Champions League and have, marginally, more stability right now. I'd go for them as the preferred choice. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2014 13:35:09 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28312923Ashley Cole: Roma signing says English players afraid to go abroad
"English players are probably afraid to come abroad, they're in a comfort zone in England."
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Post by toshfan on Jul 15, 2014 15:30:15 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/28312923Ashley Cole: Roma signing says English players afraid to go abroad
"English players are probably afraid to come abroad, they're in a comfort zone in England." Did not expect to agree with Ashley Cole but for the longest time have seen the EPL as part of the problem. Would love to see more Welsh players in other European leagues. |
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Post by hookd on Jul 15, 2014 16:10:43 GMT
I'd caution against listening to anything 'cashley' cole says. There is only 1 reason he moved abroad. So hypocritical - he is moving abroad when his best days are well and truly behind him. A player needs to move when he is developing not after he has already peaked.
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Post by abwales on Jul 15, 2014 16:26:14 GMT
Its all about the money. This case is a good example. If there is any truth of Atletico's interest in Davies its a sorry state of affairs when spurs, who are a club going nowhere, are in a better position to sign him over a club that were champions league runners up last season.
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Post by llannerch on Jul 15, 2014 21:28:31 GMT
I'd caution against listening to anything 'cashley' cole says. There is only 1 reason he moved abroad. So hypocritical - he is moving abroad when his best days are well and truly behind him. A player needs to move when he is developing not after he has already peaked. The pedestrian pace of Italian football will probably mean he gets a year or two more out of his career |
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Post by Tim P on Jul 15, 2014 21:42:14 GMT
Never understood people's problem with Ashley Cole. Good luck to him. A superb professional.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 12:48:33 GMT
i. Ben Davies vs Arsenal. ii. Ben Davies vs Scotland.
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Post by abwales on Jul 16, 2014 13:26:04 GMT
10 million deal agreed with spurs apparently. I know I said spurs are a club going nowhere, but my disliking of Liverpool trumps that fact. Its a decent step up with bigger steps to take if he performs.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 18, 2014 23:05:05 GMT
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Post by rushlegend on Jul 19, 2014 21:25:12 GMT
10 million deal agreed with spurs apparently. I know I said spurs are a club going nowhere, but my disliking of Liverpool trumps that fact. Its a decent step up with bigger steps to take if he performs.
Can you explain why the 'disliking' of Liverpool??
A club who have NEVER as far i'm aware have stopped a Welsh international for playing for Wales at any given time!!!
If Harry Wilson not playing for U17 is your problem? Then perhaps just perhaps they are looking after him at an early age.
MUFC dislike then i would agree (Giggs being the obvious reason)
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Post by toshfan on Jul 20, 2014 19:50:25 GMT
Never understood people's problem with Ashley Cole. Good luck to him. A superb professional. A great player no doubt but did not like his attitude towards referees. |
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Post by toshfan on Jul 20, 2014 19:56:35 GMT
Good news for Ben Davies, I hope he moves abroad in the future, and good news for Neil Taylor, hopefully he gets regular first team football next season. A lot of teams in the world cup playing 3 centre backs, could this work for us? - Collins Williams Chester - then: Davies and Taylor/Matthews/Gunter full backs? Whilst I would prefer a move to La Liga, a move to Spurs works out well for the following parties: Swansea CityThey will still have Neil Taylor who is stronger in some areas than Ben; Whilst the disparity between this fee and the one for Shaw appears odd, it is a lot of money in the bank for the Swans - not bad when the talent was home grown. Ben DaviesMauricio Pochettino is one of the few Premiership managers who could improve his game further. SuperBale did well out of his time at Spurs after a rocky start SpursThey have bought a young player and one of the best attacking defenders in the Premier League WalesThere is now a strong prospect of both Davies & Taylor getting regular first time football. I think working with Mauricio Pochettino will make Ben Davies an even better player. |
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Post by abwales on Jul 20, 2014 22:46:11 GMT
10 million deal agreed with spurs apparently. I know I said spurs are a club going nowhere, but my disliking of Liverpool trumps that fact. Its a decent step up with bigger steps to take if he performs. Can you explain why the 'disliking' of Liverpool?? A club who have NEVER as far i'm aware have stopped a Welsh international for playing for Wales at any given time!!! If Harry Wilson not playing for U17 is your problem? Then perhaps just perhaps they are looking after him at an early age. MUFC dislike then i would agree (Giggs being the obvious reason) I simply just don't like the club. Nothing to do with Wales. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 6:26:00 GMT
As a swans fan totally gutted the lads going but wish him luck the lads always given his all for the swans!Think he needs to player futher up the pitch he's quality going forward some times gets caught out positionally in defence!
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Post by rushlegend on Jul 21, 2014 8:57:31 GMT
I simply just don't like the club. Nothing to do with Wales.
Great reply that - you have also convinced me to dislike them after that full statement.
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Post by nathan1710 on Jul 21, 2014 11:33:49 GMT
I don't like Liverpool either, I think they let their players take too many liberties and walk over the club. Shocking
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Post by Tim P on Jul 22, 2014 17:56:25 GMT
Never understood people's problem with Ashley Cole. Good luck to him. A superb professional. A great player no doubt but did not like his attitude towards referees. Fair enough. But I see that kind of will to win (evidenced by stacks of trophies) as being essential in any sport. I don't think that's the reason most people who claim to not like him would give though. |
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