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Sam Vokes
Sept 20, 2014 18:03:57 GMT
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Post by sleepy on Sept 20, 2014 18:03:57 GMT
Church not even on bench today.
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 20, 2014 20:03:13 GMT
I don't think Earnie would go to France in 2016 even if he played well in the qualifiers. But we don't have the squad depth to leave a player out because they won't be in the finals were playing for, as other countries do.
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Post by cadno on Nov 24, 2014 21:43:00 GMT
Vokes, who hit 21 goals last season to help the Clarets achieve promotion, is unlikely to be involved this month but is expected to target either the trip to QPR on December 6 or the home game with Southampton a week later for potential inclusion. โWeโre not defining when Sam will be back, but heโs going well at the moment, heโs training with the first team, heโs active with the first team, so there'll be a games programme that comes next, so itโs not a case of a week, two weeks or three weeks, we will wait and see with that one.โ www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk/sport/11618015.Clarets_striker_Sam_Vokes_back_in_full_first_team_training/ |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 25, 2014 11:54:18 GMT
Hopefully he can get fit and start scoring goals in the premier league.
A fit, firing and confident striker would be a massive help for the rest of the campaign
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Post by toshfan on Nov 25, 2014 12:27:20 GMT
Hopefully he can get fit and start scoring goals in the premier league. A fit, firing and confident striker would be a massive help for the rest of the campaign Not only because his performances for Wales are decent but having him back enables Coleman to play - I hope - SuperBale at right midfield again; clearly his best position for me. |
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Sam Vokes
Nov 25, 2014 12:58:58 GMT
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Nov 25, 2014 12:58:58 GMT
Getting vokes back is a must for the final games
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 25, 2014 15:45:02 GMT
Hopefully he can get fit and start scoring goals in the premier league. A fit, firing and confident striker would be a massive help for the rest of the campaign Not only because his performances for Wales are decent but having him back enables Coleman to play - I hope - SuperBale at right midfield again; clearly his best position for me. I think he would be more likely to cross from wide if Vokes was there, as at the moment there is no natural target to aim for should he get to the byline. This results in him trying to take on too much as has been seen in some of the games. If Vokes is in the box with Bale running from wide it would be harder for defenders to predict Bale's intentions. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 25, 2014 17:47:38 GMT
Vokes is on the field from about 3.50 onwards, notice his movement. I hope he does ok when he returns, I think if he gets a good run of games he should definitely start vs Israel with Bale in a free role/RM
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Sam Vokes
Nov 25, 2014 22:19:31 GMT
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 25, 2014 22:19:31 GMT
Getting vokes back is a must for the final games Agree... He is an important player in that we should be a lot more balanced with him on the pitch. |
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Post by alarch on Nov 25, 2014 23:28:27 GMT
Sorry, I didn't notice Vokes - just mesmerised by Bale's genius. With those long throws why didn't Stoke sign him?
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Post by ysbryd on Nov 28, 2014 12:06:30 GMT
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Post by texan on Nov 28, 2014 12:52:20 GMT
Hope Sean Dyche is true to his word as I think it would clearly benefit Wales but also Burnley a he would be less likely to get a re-occurrance. He's had one 45 min run-out last Tuesday in a reserve match and came through it unscathed (and scored!), I'd expect him to continue in that vein until at least the week before Christmas, and a sub appearance for the full side perhaps on Boxing Day/New Year and then kick off from there. Anything earlier than that is very, very risky for Vokes. Glad to see Dyche is thinging along those lines as well, hopefully by the first week of the new year we'll see Vokes start a run to stay in the side, by March he'd be 100% for us. |
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Post by yanto on Nov 29, 2014 22:39:18 GMT
I'm really missing something - Vokes always looks like a championship player when he plays for us and consequently does not make much impact. I actually used to rather Church than Vokes just to give a bit of context. I would rather play with our best players in a system that they know rather than chucking in a centre forward just with the hope it provides balance. for me HRK makes a better stab at CF than Vokes or Church. Sorry!!
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Nov 30, 2014 0:47:59 GMT
Huge fan of Vokes, he scores goals as he showed last season!
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Post by njdragon on Nov 30, 2014 19:01:59 GMT
Agree with Yanto - he had one good season in the championship. His record before that hasn't been great and was surprised to see he's 25.
He showed promise last season until injury so hopefully he can get back to that level at least. Which would give us an option as i think he's better than Church.
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Post by yanto on Nov 30, 2014 19:04:36 GMT
Huge fan of Vokes, he scores goals as he showed last season! that was in the championship he has not shown yet e can do it at the top level - delighted to be proven wrong |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 19:56:17 GMT
It does worry me that Vokes seems to have become some sort of talisman that we are pinning all our hopes on. Especially since its not really based on his talent and more the fact that hes literally the only traditional centre forward we have left playing at the top level. Is he really international class?
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Post by dai on Nov 30, 2014 20:25:12 GMT
It does worry me that Vokes seems to have become some sort of talisman that we are pinning all our hopes on. Especially since its not really based on his talent and more the fact that hes literally the only traditional centre forward we have left playing at the top level. Is he really international class? Agree, even though he had a top season in the championship, has he actually played that well for us? I really don't understand all these comments like, 'cant wait until he's fit and back in the team'. We will need to see how he adapts and plays in premier league first before even thinking of naming him on the team sheet. This is why I think it's important we get at least one friendly before the next qualifiers to try him out. |
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Post by flynnfan on Nov 30, 2014 20:47:21 GMT
It does worry me that Vokes seems to have become some sort of talisman that we are pinning all our hopes on. Especially since its not really based on his talent and more the fact that hes literally the only traditional centre forward we have left playing at the top level. Is he really international class? Yes, but what is 'international class'? Is Sean St. Ledger international class? He still helped Ireland qualify for the Euros. If Vokes helps us qualify for the Euros that'll do for me, 'international class' or not... I don't think anyone is deluded enough to think Sam is a Van Persie or Benzema... but he does have 6 international goals. Which is 6 more than Iwan Roberts scored. It's the same as Wyn Davies (in roughly the same no. of games) and he seems pretty revered (before my time though).. Vokes has goals against some good teams too - Montenegro, Austria, Iceland, Norway etc. And his performance as lone frontman , age 18, in Moscow vs Russia was oustanding really. People are excited because it also means we should look more balanced, with Bale returning to his best position. Ramsey linked up with Vokes well for the U21s too. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 20:51:37 GMT
It does worry me that Vokes seems to have become some sort of talisman that we are pinning all our hopes on. Especially since its not really based on his talent and more the fact that hes literally the only traditional centre forward we have left playing at the top level. Is he really international class? Agree, even though he had a top season in the championship, has he actually played that well for us? I really don't understand all these comments like, 'cant wait until he's fit and back in the team'. We will need to see how he adapts and plays in premier league first before even thinking of naming him on the team sheet. This is why I think it's important we get at least one friendly before the next qualifiers to try him out. Hes scored the odd goal, but has he ever really been a stand out player for us? Others will have to point out his best games as I can't think of any. He will certainly walk back into the team, which is fair enough, but I do find it strange how his reputation seems to have been enhanced by not playing. I don't think there are any more international football dates now until the Israel game. We had our chance to book a friendly the week after the Belgium game but, typically, the FAW didn't go for it. I imagine this keeps us sweet with the clubs but it doesn't do our ranking any good and we lose the opportunity to test out new combinations on the pitch. I would like to see us work on a front 3 of Bale, Williams + AN Other in a non-competitive game. Its depressing that we will go into the Israel game not really having much of a clue what we are doing up front. |
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Post by cadno on Nov 30, 2014 21:03:38 GMT
Even a good championship striker should automatically gets our No.9 shirt at the moment...
Bale, Vokes, J.Williams, Robson-Kanu, G.Williams, Lawrence, Cotterill, C.Davies, S.Church - possible attacking options for next qualifier.
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Post by texan on Dec 1, 2014 10:33:28 GMT
He will certainly walk back into the team, which is fair enough, but I do find it strange how his reputation seems to have been enhanced by not playing. Has it been enhanced? Or is it just that our main options other than Vokes is Church, Davies and Lawrence. Two we know all about and the third is largely untested at all levels apart from U21 football. He's not a star striker or top class player as of yet, but as far as our options go he's far and away the best one we have. Only natural some are looking forward to his return as we're better with him than without him. |
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Post by biwmares on Dec 1, 2014 11:39:43 GMT
We might as well get Tyler Roberts into the squad now he may hopefully be a regular in the future.
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Post by squatter1 on Dec 1, 2014 12:25:56 GMT
It does worry me that Vokes seems to have become some sort of talisman that we are pinning all our hopes on. Especially since its not really based on his talent and more the fact that hes literally the only traditional centre forward we have left playing at the top level. Is he really international class? That's the point entirely: nobody thinks he's international class, but he's far and away the best striking option we've got right now. I can't wait to get him back fit and playing - watching Bale up front for us against Bosnia/Belgium made me think two things: 1. Great to see that him playing there gives us a slither of a threat while grinding out draws, but 2. To truly get the best out of Bale you need a striker in front of him, the same conclusion every club manager he has played for has come to. |
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Post by yanto on Dec 1, 2014 12:45:44 GMT
He will certainly walk back into the team, which is fair enough, but I do find it strange how his reputation seems to have been enhanced by not playing. Has it been enhanced? Or is it just that our main options other than Vokes is Church, Davies and Lawrence. Two we know all about and the third is largely untested at all levels apart from U21 football. He's not a star striker or top class player as of yet, but as far as our options go he's far and away the best one we have. Only natural some are looking forward to his return as we're better with him than without him. Are we better with him - evidence please? I agree its possible we could be better but equally it may f&*^ it up! |
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Post by texan on Dec 1, 2014 14:07:22 GMT
Are we better with him - evidence please? So far in this campaign we've often struggled to impose ourselves going forward long term, and during games we've always become more of a threat when a strong/determined performer has come on in attack. Having such a presence up front in the modern game is beneficial in three primary ways, he's the first line of defence, he disrupts the link between the opposition's back line and midfield with his movement and makes them think twice about pushing up in support when they have the ball, and allows the midfield to better express themselves as they exploit the spaces he creates and also use him as a pivot as he holds up the ball if breaking quickly...precisely what Vokes gave Burnley in 13/14. Church gives us none of this, he's quickly pushed off the ball, has no real capability of holding it, his runs often create no spaces and his general positional play is dodgy at best. Playing Bale or even HRK up there is to play with a weakened position and, to borrow from Alarch, is putting a square peg in a round hole. We're at our best when we have someone who can pull the opposition defence out of line and occupy their concentration, Church doesn't do this. Bale can yes, but we want him to be the one taking advantage of the spaces created, not having to create them himself. Last year, Vokes and Ings' goals put Burnley in the PL, what the stats don't show however is that when Vokes was on the pitch but wasn't being credited with an assist, it was often his movement and harrying of the opposition defences off the ball that were responsible for creating the spaces for most of the remainder of Burnley's goals. So much so that in Burnley circles Vokes was regarded as more of a team asset than Ings. Vokes has shown on occasion the strength of his movement for Wales, such as the matches already mentioned against Croatia, Russia, Norway, Iceland, etc. However they've come when we've been fragile as a team and, unfortunately for us, Vokes' golden period for his club, when his confidence was sky high and he finally proved he could bang them in on a regular basis was after Christmas, which coincided with us not having any games! By the time we started to show some real steel in the recent games he's been injured. We're yet to see an in-form Vokes playing as the tip of the spear in an in-form Wales side high on confidence. Our weakest position at present is up front, and out of all our options (in my mind) Vokes is our best bet to strengthen that area in time for the Israel game. I want to see what a confident, fit and firing Vokes can do in an in-form Wales side. |
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Post by llannerch on Dec 1, 2014 18:13:36 GMT
We're yet to see an in-form Vokes playing as the tip of the spear in an in-form Wales side high on confidence. This is pretty much what it all boils down to |
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Post by JoeEyes on Dec 3, 2014 14:20:26 GMT
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Post by JoeEyes on Dec 3, 2014 14:20:52 GMT
just been replaced after 70'
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Dec 3, 2014 15:08:38 GMT
Fantastic news!!!
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