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Post by saints19 on May 22, 2014 19:39:38 GMT
Ramsey is a good finisher but is crap in the air. HRK or Church for me. Ramsey is also our best midfielder and can pick out a world class pass. Would you honestly want him up front? I have never even watched Lawrence play. If he starts getting club games at CF, then fair enough, but until then, I'd rather stick with the proven mediocrities than those who may be worse. What is Morison up to these days? Which is better: Alright in the air (nothing more) and a poor finisher OR crap in the air and an accomplished finisher? How many flick-ons lead directly to goals? Bale is good in the air - we can use that as and when required. 'I'd rather stick to proven mediocrities than those who may be worse' Really? Say goodbye to qualifying then. If you look at a lot of our recent goals, many of them have come from either a run and finish by Bale, or a cross by Bale and a headed finish by someone else (Vokes, Collins). Having a striker who can head the ball is fairly important. Bale is good in the air, but he's not so good he can cross, run faster than the ball, then head his own cross in. If Coleman wants to experiment in a friendly with an unusual formation on playing a midfielder as a striker, then fair enough, but I've talked to many Scots who are adamant that Craig Levein doing the same thing in a competitive game (4-6-0 against the Czechs) cost them a play-off for Euro 2012. Ramsey's talents are far, far better used as a midfielder than a striker, and I hope we don't go down that route. |
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Post by njdragon on Sept 4, 2014 16:34:19 GMT
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 4, 2014 20:36:05 GMT
Great work keeping Vokes involved with the squad. Gives him motivation, improves team spirit and keeps Burnley on our side. |
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 4, 2014 21:15:09 GMT
Great work keeping Vokes involved with the squad. Gives him motivation, improves team spirit and keeps Burnley on our side. I think this is Coleman saying to Vokes "you are Wales' no1 striker". It's great he has come and trained with the squad. I also saw a picture of Gunter, Ramsey and Ledley. So even though Joe is injured, he's still there to learn with the rest of the squad. Great stuff. |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 4, 2014 21:47:24 GMT
Terrific man management. Credit where it's due to Coleman
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 4, 2014 22:53:15 GMT
Yeah it's cracking to see Vokes there too, how far away he is from making a return does anybody know?
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Post by njdragon on Sept 5, 2014 7:23:48 GMT
yeh i have to agree, nice to see them being involved.
I was walking down the bay last night and as well as seeing gunter and hennessey i also saw Adam Mathews in full welsh tracksuit.
So even though injured he's still with the squad!
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Post by texan on Sept 5, 2014 8:34:29 GMT
Yeah it's cracking to see Vokes there too, how far away he is from making a return does anybody know? He's just started running and light training this month so at least another couple of months off. I think he's on target to recover (at the very earliest) by late November/early December. ACL injuries are nasty mind and on average take 10 months to a year to heal completely, if a return is rushed it can easily tear again, so I wouldn't be surprised if they keep him out of things until the new year however to make sure he's 100%. We won't see him in a Welsh shirt before March (or Feb if a friendly is arranged...you listening FAW!!). |
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Post by jbt95 on Sept 7, 2014 13:03:14 GMT
Yeah it's cracking to see Vokes there too, how far away he is from making a return does anybody know? He's just started running and light training this month so at least another couple of months off. I think he's on target to recover (at the very earliest) by late November/early December. ACL injuries are nasty mind and on average take 10 months to a year to heal completely, if a return is rushed it can easily tear again, so I wouldn't be surprised if they keep him out of things until the new year however to make sure he's 100%. We won't see him in a Welsh shirt before March (or Feb if a friendly is arranged...you listening FAW!!). There is no longer a friendly date in February. www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/calendar/events.html |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 16, 2014 11:42:10 GMT
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Post by llannerch on Sept 16, 2014 11:48:15 GMT
Terrific news. But he shouldn't be rushed. Masterstroke by Coleman to involve him in preparations ahead of Andorra. If anyone knows how lonely the road back to fitness after serious injury can be it is Coleman
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Post by dai on Sept 16, 2014 12:01:56 GMT
I'll be the cynical one and say he probably won't feature. At least 2 weeks off starting a game for Burnley by the sounds of it.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 16, 2014 12:16:37 GMT
Vokes could be a potential impact player from the bench.
This would have to be discussed with Burnley.
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Post by squatter1 on Sept 16, 2014 12:33:23 GMT
Don't see this happening. Far too early from an injury like that.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 16, 2014 12:56:17 GMT
I agree with squatter. I think that the time out was originally forecasted at 9 months plus. We are not close to that yet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 13:09:58 GMT
Maybe the Belgium fixture in November is more realistic, but it would be fantastic if he is 100% ok to play for us in October. I think our 2nd best option at the moment is Craig Davies? August Player of the month for Bolton, scored 2 penalties.
BBC Sport are reporting that Hal Robson-Kanu may be fit for tonights fixture against Millwall, the sooner he's back the better, I'm keen to see how he does as number 9 for them, if indeed he does play up front.
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Post by toshfan on Sept 16, 2014 13:43:39 GMT
Maybe the Belgium fixture in November is more realistic, but it would be fantastic if he is 100% ok to play for us in October. I think our 2nd best option at the moment is Craig Davies? August Player of the month for Bolton, scored 2 penalties. BBC Sport are reporting that Hal Robson-Kanu may be fit for tonights fixture against Millwall, the sooner he's back the better, I'm keen to see how he does as number 9 for them, if indeed he does play up front. Life does become easier once HRK is back for consideration. Craig Davies is an interesting one. He made a real difference when he came on against Scotland at the CCS but since then he has not featured much (if at all). I would go for HRK out of the two as HRK is more familiar with the way Wales play. I still think it is great news about Craig Davies that he is on form. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 14:04:53 GMT
If all players are fit then I'd currently go for: 1.Vokes 2.HRK 3.Davies 4.Church. T.Lawrence and G.Williams are good options if they're playing regular first team football! Church needs to be playing more games for Charlton too
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 16, 2014 17:10:52 GMT
Robert Earnshaw. Been saying this for weeks. He's our only ST who is scoring goals
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2014 23:04:45 GMT
Craig Davies had another impressive game for Bolton tonight, Mason scored a hat-trick but many Bolton fans had Davies down as MOTM. Manager Freedman said this: "The two strikers performance tonight was outstanding." "Mason and Craig Davies were immense tonight."
He's match sharp so should at least be in our squad, maybe his attitude has held him back in the past but it seems as if he's sorted that out this season. Bolton fans are always praising his good work-rate.
...But I'd start HRK up front for our next 2 games if he plays regular football in the next couple of weeks.
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Post by cymroircarn on Sept 16, 2014 23:30:36 GMT
Robert Earnshaw. Been saying this for weeks. He's our only ST who is scoring goals He was poor for Csrdiff a few years ago. He is now older. What makes you think he is up to International standard still? |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 17, 2014 7:36:43 GMT
Hopefully Vokes will be in the squad as it will give Bosnia something else to think about, a big difference in how you set up if you are facing Bale or Vokes.
I would personally start Davies as he is match fit and did well when he came on against the Jocks
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Post by jonathandearth on Sept 17, 2014 12:00:34 GMT
Let's hope Sam Vokes is back and fit and on form for the Belgium game. There's no point in him playing in the October games if these end up being his first games back.
Craig Davies is the obvious player to be up front - can't believe he's not in the squad even. Hal Robson-Kanu is an option though if he's playing by then.
"T.Lawrence and G.Williams are good options if they're playing regular first team football" - precisely
Simon Church - nowhere near good enough - the only evidence is the goal against Macedonia last year. Not enough to justify being in the squad.
Rob Earnshaw - just let him go, he's nearly finished his career and won't be an international ever again. But great a decade ago.
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 17, 2014 21:44:05 GMT
Robert Earnshaw. Been saying this for weeks. He's our only ST who is scoring goals He was poor for Csrdiff a few years ago. He is now older. What makes you think he is up to International standard still? He's closer to International standard than Church. And he puts the ball in the net more regularly than Church, Easter, Morrison, Craig Davies and currently Ched Evans so other than Vokes, he is our best striker like it or not. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Sept 17, 2014 22:04:22 GMT
He was poor for Csrdiff a few years ago. He is now older. What makes you think he is up to International standard still? He's closer to International standard than Church. And he puts the ball in the net more regularly than Church, Easter, Morrison, Craig Davies and currently Ched Evans so other than Vokes, he is our best striker like it or not. I am a big Earnie fan but I have not seen anything to say he is our best striker other than Vokes. I would rank HRK higher than him. Church marginally higher. There is a reason why he has gone to the MLS. If he was that good wouldn't he be top goal scorer? He is not, Bradley Wright Phillips is! |
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Post by nathan1710 on Sept 18, 2014 17:57:22 GMT
He's closer to International standard than Church. And he puts the ball in the net more regularly than Church, Easter, Morrison, Craig Davies and currently Ched Evans so other than Vokes, he is our best striker like it or not. I am a big Earnie fan but I have not seen anything to say he is our best striker other than Vokes. I would rank HRK higher than him. Church marginally higher. There is a reason why he has gone to the MLS. If he was that good wouldn't he be top goal scorer? He is not, Bradley Wright Phillips is! Earnie now plays for Chicago Fire. Having made two sub appearances he has scored 2 goals. Church has scored 3 goals in 39 appearances for Charlton. How on earth anyone can pick church over Earnie I will never know. I know you could say the championship is stronger than the MLS and I agree but 3 goals in 39 is shit. Ive said before on here, once Church's contract expires at Charlton he will be released and I can't see him playing above league 2 level, he's just not good enough. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 19, 2014 8:27:03 GMT
I agree with your views on Church, how he has gort so many welsh caps is beyond me.
Seems to be a decent bloke and committed but just not good enough.
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Post by welshiron on Sept 19, 2014 8:29:21 GMT
As for Earnie, we need to move on, even at his best he was useless as a lone striker as his first touch is shocking and he has no physical presence.
That being said I do believe as things stand he should e n the squad for October, if we are 2-1 down against Bosnia with 15 mins left I firmly believe he is more likely to get a goal than Church or the other alternatives.
It would also lift the crowd which could be just as important as everyone loves earnie
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 19, 2014 10:00:22 GMT
As much as I love Earnie and enjoyed watching him for Cardiff and Wales in which he scored a lot of goals, we should be looking to the future. Is Earnie going to be involved in a few years time If and when we qualify? No he is not. I agree he is better than Church even now probably but neither of them should be involved. I'm not having a dig but I can't see the benefits personally.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 19, 2014 16:39:15 GMT
As much as I love Earnie and enjoyed watching him for Cardiff and Wales in which he scored a lot of goals, we should be looking to the future. Is Earnie going to be involved in a few years time If and when we qualify? No he is not. I agree he is better than Church even now probably but neither of them should be involved. I'm not having a dig but I can't see the benefits personally. Even if Earnie scored the vital goal which took us to EURO 2016? |
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