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Post by abwales on Feb 1, 2014 21:40:04 GMT
He's playing in a system perfect for him. We play in a system that's terrible for him. I think its time we switch to a 4-4-2.
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Post by Tim P on Feb 1, 2014 23:30:55 GMT
He's playing in a system perfect for him. We play in a system that's terrible for him. I think its time we switch to a 4-4-2. Vokes and Bale up front? Not sure how 4-4-2 works for us. |
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Post by abwales on Feb 2, 2014 0:41:35 GMT
Vokes and Church up front. They're not good enough playing up top alone. I think they could work well up top together with the service they'll get from the midfield.
Bale on the left or right of midfield in a 4-4-2. He's playing terribly on the right in a 4-4-2 at Madrid attacking wise but good defensively. I have no doubt he'll be better in that position playing for us. I actually think he'd be great on the left of a 4-4-2 for us.
The tactic could also be easily switched up to a 4-3-3 for example if the 4 midfielders are Bale - Ramsey - Allen - Ledley because Bale and Church could go on the wings and Ledley move in the middle.
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Post by Tim P on Feb 2, 2014 9:30:22 GMT
Church is nowhere near good enough for my liking. Aside from Vokes, and I'm not 100% sold on him, we don't have a single striker.
Vokes Bale and Joniesta in a three seems more likely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2014 11:05:51 GMT
Great to see Vokes scoring in the Championship, he's only 24 and 14 goals thus far is fantastic for a Welsh striker.
I think maybe Vokes and Church played together in a 4-4-2 at U21 level? But I could be wrong.
Formation and tactics will vary between every opposition anyway!
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Post by squatter1 on Feb 2, 2014 13:01:49 GMT
Vokes and Church up front. They're not good enough playing up top alone. I think they could work well up top together with the service they'll get from the midfield. Bale on the left or right of midfield in a 4-4-2. He's playing terribly on the right in a 4-4-2 at Madrid attacking wise but good defensively. I have no doubt he'll be better in that position playing for us. I actually think he'd be great on the left of a 4-4-2 for us. The tactic could also be easily switched up to a 4-3-3 for example if the 4 midfielders are Bale - Ramsey - Allen - Ledley because Bale and Church could go on the wings and Ledley move in the middle. Two half decent strikers a good striker do not make. We need one up top for attacking shape, but no more than that unless the players are top quality. Better to have an extra midfielder (of which we have several decent ones). |
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Post by abwales on Feb 2, 2014 15:26:15 GMT
I disagree. I think 4-4-2 makes us defensively and offensively stronger.
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Post by toshfan on Feb 2, 2014 19:44:37 GMT
Would not wish to play SuperBale up front as his strength require him running from deeper positions. Ditto Joniesta.
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Post by Tim P on Feb 4, 2014 21:22:42 GMT
Would not wish to play SuperBale up front as his strength require him running from deeper positions. Ditto Joniesta. This is what Ronaldo does for Real though - works well for them/him. It kind of sets us up a counter attacking team, which also suits. I really think we're going to need to think about a kind of rotating front three, which would probably rule Vokes out as a starting option. |
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 5, 2014 13:26:54 GMT
4-4-1-1, something like this could work..
............Hennessey
Gunter...Collins..Williams..Davies
Allen....Williams...Ramsey..Ledley
..............Bale
.............Vokes
Vokes has linked well with Ramsey and Bale with Wales /u21s in the past.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 13:50:00 GMT
4-4-1-1, something like this could work.. ............Hennessey Gunter...Collins..Williams..Davies Allen....Williams...Ramsey..Ledley ..............Bale .............Vokes Vokes has linked well with Ramsey and Bale with Wales /u21s in the past. That's unlike you flynnie - it looks a bit odd. What would Allen and Ledley do out wide? I reckon Tony Pulis would like it though (as long as you dropped Johnny Williams of course). How about the diamond Tosh used when Ramsey dismantled Scotland? Huws at the base - Ramsey and Allen in the middle and Joniesta at the tip with Bale and Vokes up front? |
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Post by Tim P on Feb 5, 2014 16:51:35 GMT
4-4-1-1, something like this could work.. ............Hennessey Gunter...Collins..Williams..Davies Allen....Williams...Ramsey..Ledley ..............Bale .............Vokes Vokes has linked well with Ramsey and Bale with Wales /u21s in the past. That's unlike you flynnie - it looks a bit odd. What would Allen and Ledley do out wide? I reckon Tony Pulis would like it though (as long as you dropped Johnny Williams of course). How about the diamond Tosh used when Ramsey dismantled Scotland? Huws at the base - Ramsey and Allen in the middle and Joniesta at the tip with Bale and Vokes up front? THIS. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 18:19:18 GMT
Coleman seems to like playing Ramsey in a more advanced role, he was great there against Belgium away.
I think we'll probably be seeing something like this:
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Gunter...Collins..Williams...Davies
Bale.......Ledley.....Allen....Jonietsa
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Post by squatter1 on Feb 5, 2014 22:21:21 GMT
I think the answer is half way between Tiki Taka and Trendy.
YES - midfield diamond.
YES - Ramsey in the advanced role.
And also, Ledley in place of Huws, until Huws gets Premiership experience, and Williams right side of diamond.
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Williams Allen
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Bale then plays free role, maximising him for the team as with Spurs in final season, Vokes as the fulcrum up front.
Best thing about the diamond is it negates the need for 'wingers', of which we only have Bale of any quality. The attacking fullbacks (of which we have many) provide the width.
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Post by flynnfan on Feb 6, 2014 11:49:22 GMT
Clark gave Huws plenty of responsibility to try to make Blues tick. He was asked to play at the base of a midfield diamond. “Yes, I like that role,” he said. “I have played it for the last season. “The manager just wanted me to offer support to the centre-halves and to get on the ball. To try and make things happen. That was it really. I can also do the role where I go further forward. But I am happy to do both.” ---------------- Promising... -----------HEnnessey Gunter--Collins--Williams--Davies -------------Huws -------Allen------Ramsey ------------Joniesta --------------Bale -------------Vokes  |
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Post by Tim P on Feb 6, 2014 17:30:19 GMT
Clark gave Huws plenty of responsibility to try to make Blues tick. He was asked to play at the base of a midfield diamond. “Yes, I like that role,” he said. “I have played it for the last season. “The manager just wanted me to offer support to the centre-halves and to get on the ball. To try and make things happen. That was it really. I can also do the role where I go further forward. But I am happy to do both.” ---------------- Promising... -----------HEnnessey Gunter--Collins--Williams--Davies -------------Huws -------Allen------Ramsey ------------Joniesta --------------Bale -------------Vokes That's a lovely midfield. |
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Post by saints19 on Feb 9, 2014 14:08:06 GMT
I hate the idea of the midfield diamond. That leaves the fullbacks exposed defensively and, let's face it, we are too shit at the back to allow that.
The current formation is fine, 4-5-1, Vokes up top, three-man central midfield. We just need better organisation amongst the back 4, and less tiki taka at the back. Tiki taka is fine in the final third, but Ashley Williams and James Collins are not Gerard Pique, and cannot control a pass perfectly. This has been time and time again, and yet Coleman still seems to persist in it, for some baffling reason.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 17:48:47 GMT
Clark gave Huws plenty of responsibility to try to make Blues tick. He was asked to play at the base of a midfield diamond. “Yes, I like that role,” he said. “I have played it for the last season. “The manager just wanted me to offer support to the centre-halves and to get on the ball. To try and make things happen. That was it really. I can also do the role where I go further forward. But I am happy to do both.” ---------------- Promising... -----------HEnnessey Gunter--Collins--Williams--Davies -------------Huws -------Allen------Ramsey ------------Joniesta --------------Bale -------------Vokes That's a lovely midfield. Pity about the rest of the pitch.... |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2014 17:54:49 GMT
I hate the idea of the midfield diamond. That leaves the fullbacks exposed defensively and, let's face it, we are too shit at the back to allow that. The current formation is fine, 4-5-1, Vokes up top, three-man central midfield. We just need better organisation amongst the back 4, and less tiki taka at the back. Tiki taka is fine in the final third, but Ashley Williams and James Collins are not Gerard Pique, and cannot control a pass perfectly. This has been time and time again, and yet Coleman still seems to persist in it, for some baffling reason. Yes I hate all that nonsense, we don't have the technique or composure. Although funnily enough the one time I saw it work was against Belgium when Williams wasn't around. Hennessey Gunter and Collins passed it about amongst themselves which invited Belgium onto us, we would then pop a pass over the top into the midfield and Belgium had committed so much that there was acres of space for us to pick up the ball and get forward. High risk, but it really did open them up for us- notably for the build up that lead to Church being fouled for what should have been a pen (if memory serves me correctly). |
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Post by dai on Feb 9, 2014 18:28:48 GMT
Vokes is the in form Welsh striker, which means Coleman will probably start with Church! Vokes HAS to start vs Iceland.
I'm surprised not many people have mentioned Kanu, played a lot of decent games for us over the past 2 years. And apart from his recent injury, keeps pretty fit.
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Post by hookd on Feb 22, 2014 18:59:25 GMT
Sam Vokes bagged a double before the break as Burnley put an end to Nottingham Forest's 14-game unbeaten Sky Bet Championship run with a 3-1 win.
He has 15 for the season now!
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Feb 22, 2014 19:58:00 GMT
18 in total for the season including cup comps
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Post by abwales on Feb 22, 2014 20:34:10 GMT
Still can't see him scoring for us playing up top alone.
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Still can't see him scoring for us playing up top alone. Are you storm in disguise? |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Feb 22, 2014 21:52:13 GMT
Still can't see him scoring for us playing up top alone. Are you storm in disguise? Sorry, agree with baresi on this one. His confidence must be high at the moment. Long may he keep scoring! |
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Post by abwales on Feb 22, 2014 22:24:21 GMT
I'm in favour of us changing to a 4-4-2 so he can actually score for us. Even if it means shitty Church has to play!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 11:12:59 GMT
Still can't see him scoring for us playing up top alone. Are you storm in disguise? Morison scored goals in the championship and look what happened to him. It means squat. |
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Post by squatter1 on Feb 23, 2014 13:36:24 GMT
Vokes can only score against the teams in front of him.
It's a blessing he's having the season he's having as we've got cack all else up front. This is the first full season he's had really, since leaving Bournemouth. Hopefully we've got a late blooming Charlie Austin/Ricky lambert/grant holt on our hands.
Good chance he'll be in prem next year.
Great news for us.
Vokes up front with Bale/Joniesta playing off him.
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Post by quetzal on Feb 24, 2014 8:36:11 GMT
With Bale supplying the crosses he'll score i'm sure of it. I think our main problem is Goalkeeper and centreback if we get injuries. The goalkeeping situation worries me a lot actually. Who's playing 1st team football? |
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Post by grifftinfoilhat on Feb 24, 2014 12:16:24 GMT
Maybe we should check if danny ings qualifies somehow...
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