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Post by zserty on Oct 16, 2023 6:10:04 GMT
Fairplay to Page, he got it right last night.
The defence looked pretty solid, bar a few moments, Ampadu and James are the pairing we needed and Dai Brooks what a player we have there.
Same team and drive for Armenia and Turkey please.
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Post by morg on Oct 16, 2023 6:29:41 GMT
Fairplay to Page, he got it right last night. The defence looked pretty solid, bar a few moments, Ampadu and James are the pairing we needed and Dai Brooks what a player we have there. Same team and drive for Armenia and Turkey please. Agreed. Brooks one of those players who seems to always choose the right option and has the ability to carry it out. Was surprised at how aggressive he was too and how effective his pressing game was. Test of Page's apparent loyalty to his stalwarts Vis a Vis benching his captain. He should do. |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 16, 2023 10:00:10 GMT
I've never slagged off Page personally, and I said he is fully capable of being in charge of the 1st team. What I have questioned is his ability to bring on the young players who are coming through and integrating them into the senior team, which is going to be critical for us moving forward.
There are also things outside of his control that seem to be benefitting us. Ampadu is finally being played in one position, and it is improving his overall game. Also Rodon is playing every game at Leeds, and he's positioned right behind Ampadu, so this is helping to strengthen our defensive spine. I'd also mention that Morrell getting sent off has been a blessing in disguise, as it has allowed Jordan James to flourish in that position, and hopefully he stays there!
We've still got a bit of work to do up front, and we still haven't been able to get the best out of Johnson, but the main thing is the defensive side of our game is looking much better.
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 16, 2023 10:03:26 GMT
Agreed. Brooks one of those players who seems to always choose the right option and has the ability to carry it out. Was surprised at how aggressive he was too and how effective his pressing game was. Test of Page's apparent loyalty to his stalwarts Vis a Vis benching his captain. He should do. Brooks has always been a high IQ player, whereas James and Wilson can be a bit frustrating at times. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 10:07:55 GMT
I've never slagged off Page personally, and I said he is fully capable of being in charge of the 1st team. What I am questioning is his ability to bring on the young players who are coming through and integrating them into the senior team, which is going to be critical for us moving forward. There are also things outside of his control that seem to be benefitting us. Ampadu is finally being played in one position, and it is benefitting his overall game. Also Rodon is playing every game at Leeds, and he's positioned right behind Ampadu, so this is helping to strengthen our defensive spine. I'd also mention that Morrell getting sent off has been a blessing in disguise, as it has allowed Jordan James to flourish in that position, and hopefully he stays there! We've still got a bit of work to do up front, and we still haven't been able to get the best out of Johnson, but the main thing is the defensive side of our game is looking much better. the past 6 years have been about integrating young players, ampadu, wilson, james, levitt, matt smith, rodon, neco, broadheed, JJ, brooks, Colwill, Luke Harris its not just about them getting senior minutes asap but its a gradual process of bringing them into the set up and getting used to the whole system I think this has been a massive success, people are getting pissed because we are now playing certain individuals but none of us are there to see if they are ready to step up or should stick with the under 21s. We dont see them in training and im sure if they are good enough they would be involved. Until then they should carry on their development. |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 16, 2023 10:20:50 GMT
The past 6 years have been about integrating young players, ampadu, wilson, james, levitt, matt smith, rodon, neco, broadheed, JJ, brooks, Colwill, Luke Harris its not just about them getting senior minutes asap but its a gradual process of bringing them into the set up and getting used to the whole system I think this has been a massive success, people are getting pissed because we are now playing certain individuals but none of us are there to see if they are ready to step up or should stick with the under 21s. We dont see them in training and im sure if they are good enough they would be involved. Until then they should carry on their development. Most of it was done under previous managers. If anything, Page is a cautious and safe pair of hands, but he is definitely not out there when it comes to the younger players. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 10:36:23 GMT
The past 6 years have been about integrating young players, ampadu, wilson, james, levitt, matt smith, rodon, neco, broadheed, JJ, brooks, Colwill, Luke Harris its not just about them getting senior minutes asap but its a gradual process of bringing them into the set up and getting used to the whole system I think this has been a massive success, people are getting pissed because we are now playing certain individuals but none of us are there to see if they are ready to step up or should stick with the under 21s. We dont see them in training and im sure if they are good enough they would be involved. Until then they should carry on their development. Most of it was done under previous managers. If anything, Page is a cautious and safe pair of hands, but he is definitely not out there when it comes to the younger players. you mean he's not out there picking the players you want. Its a massive gradual process, JJ (19 years old) - is the main man thats come through under page now. It was Page that brought in with us in the world cup as a travelling back up Amapdu has seen more caps since Page came into camp (23) Colwill (21) dropped back down for his development - been taken a long with the seniors to 2 tournaments now Neco williams (22) Johnson (22) Who's out there you think he should be playing? Luke Harris? and what's the average age of our team? |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 16, 2023 10:49:27 GMT
you mean he's not out there picking the players you want. I want the younger players to be developed correctly and picked on merit, and no more Gunter/Jonniesta favouritism  |
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 16, 2023 10:53:17 GMT
Its a massive gradual process Speed, Coleman & Giggs set the benchmark. It's not a difficult process, and they need Osian to put the old system back in place. |
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Post by redwallnews on Oct 16, 2023 11:00:50 GMT
Its a massive gradual process Speed, Coleman & Giggs set the benchmark. It's not a difficult process, and they need Osian to put the old system back in place. Haha |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Oct 16, 2023 11:12:10 GMT
Why give Page a 4 year contract recently if they were unhappy with him. Granted there have been some poor performances in the last year or so, and one disgraceful one against Armenia, but we're still in with a shout of reaching Germany, so let's get behind Page and the boys for the remaining games and see what happens.
Maybe a return of Osian to his old job would be a positive move, seemed to have done okay in Morocco as well, given their Qatar WC.
I think there's more of a case in getting rid of that eejit if the story was true.
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Post by athenempadu on Oct 16, 2023 11:18:52 GMT
Some people have a short memories. Brooks was named Welsh FA Player of the Year in March 2019 after being given his debut alongside Ampadu in November 2017. Under the Page system he would have still been in the U21's, or if he was very lucky he might have got a non-playing role on the bench. It's not as complicated as people think it is. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 11:29:18 GMT
Its a massive gradual process Speed, Coleman & Giggs set the benchmark. It's not a difficult process, and they need Osian to put the old system back in place. the system is still there, granted those guys wrote it but its still the welsh syllabus |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 11:30:10 GMT
you mean he's not out there picking the players you want. I want the younger players to be developed correctly and picked on merit, and no more Gunter/Jonniesta favouritism BS like who then? out of the players last night what younger players are coming in that aren't already there? |
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Post by redwallnews on Oct 16, 2023 11:31:19 GMT
Some people have a short memories. Brooks was named Welsh FA Player of the Year in March 2019 after being given his debut alongside Ampadu in November 2017. It's not as complicated as people think it is. No short memories anywhere, the system in place is working, the youth sides are all picking uo impressive results with a clear pathway in place to reach the senior squad if you earn it. Rob Page and Matty Jones have us in good hands, there might be the odd bump in the road but this international window has shown what can happen when it all comes together. |
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Post by garynysmon on Oct 16, 2023 11:44:48 GMT
I can't say that the idea of Page being our manager gives me much comfort, but credit where its due, when the chips were down everything was right last night.
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 16, 2023 11:48:12 GMT
Some people have a short memories. Brooks was named Welsh FA Player of the Year in March 2019 after being given his debut alongside Ampadu in November 2017. It's not as complicated as people think it is. No short memories anywhere, the system in place is working, the youth sides are all picking uo impressive results with a clear pathway in place to reach the senior squad if you earn it. Rob Page and Matty Jones have us in good hands, there might be the odd bump in the road but this international window has shown what can happen when it all comes together. I'm not sure we should be taking odd results in isolation as proof the system is working. We need to be qualifying to show the success. I'm not convinced of Page, but as long as we qualify thats all that matters. |
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Post by njdragon on Oct 16, 2023 11:53:33 GMT
No short memories anywhere, the system in place is working, the youth sides are all picking uo impressive results with a clear pathway in place to reach the senior squad if you earn it. Rob Page and Matty Jones have us in good hands, there might be the odd bump in the road but this international window has shown what can happen when it all comes together. I'm not sure we should be taking odd results in isolation as proof the system is working. We need to be qualifying to show the success. I'm not convinced of Page, but as long as we qualify thats all that matters. we've taken 4 points off croatia, second in the group - possible to win it we've won 3 and drawn 1 of the last 4 games the odd result was Armenia that we can't let go of oh and conceded 1 goal whilst scoring 8 |
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Post by bobbyghoul on Oct 16, 2023 13:31:08 GMT
In this group we've only had one horror show - Armenia at home.
Turkey away doesn't look like a terrible result now, given the form they've been in.
Yes some other performances have been patchy but results have been there.
We can't fully judge this campaign until all games are played.
As an aside, remember when we used to be out of the tournament after the first 3 games? Halcyon days, my friends!
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 13:44:01 GMT
If we can get to another tournament then it also improves our chances or keeping / gaining dual qualified youngsters. They are only human and if they see a team that qualifies for every Euros, which increases their own profile in the future, then it really is likely to influence decisions on the margin.
This weekend was really great for Welsh football - our victory last night, the good second half and last minute goal against Czech Republic for our U21s and the draw against England for our U19
Loved seeing Koumas so driven in that match - he looks fully committed and surely it helps Crew make the right decision! Maybe Buck and Ash Phillips had a realisation that they could do worse than join our team if things don't go quickly for them with England in the next 2 years too!
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 13:44:53 GMT
That Armenia game is so annoying!
Goodness we would need just 1 victory now if we had not screwed up!
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 16, 2023 13:53:59 GMT
I don't think Page is being given enough credit for last night's performance and result. If anything the result flattered Croatia, who created nothing up to their somewhat lucky goal, whereas we came close to scoring on numerous occasions, aparr from our two excellently crafted goals.
The team certainly played for Page and the shirt, but there was more to that result than hwyl alone. The decision to drop our forward defensive line to the edge of the centre circle and then push up the defensive line close to the circle, compressed the space for Croatia to such an extent that it completely nullified Modric and Kovacic, no small feat. Page must be given the credit for that masterstroke, especially considering the stick he's copped for the Armenia game.
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Post by Tyler75 on Oct 16, 2023 14:22:16 GMT
That’s definitely the best front-foot football we’ve played for some time (Hungary at home?). Class act that he is, I can’t help thinking Rambo being out meant that we were forced into being much more dynamic. I was definitely one of those wanting Osian to be brought in but Page tactically got it spot on and all credit to him. JJ has been a revelation - a bit worrying that at club level he’s now got Rooney as his Manager. Dai Brooks what a story. Laughable that him, Kieffer and Meps aren’t starting regularly for a desperately poor Bournemouth side - all three need to move on.
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Post by hooky on Oct 16, 2023 14:34:51 GMT
That’s definitely the best front-foot football we’ve played for some time (Hungary at home?). Class act that he is, I can’t help thinking Rambo being out meant that we were forced into being much more dynamic. I was definitely one of those wanting Osian to be brought in but Page tactically got it spot on and all credit to him. JJ has been a revelation - a bit worrying that at club level he’s now got Rooney as his Manager. Dai Brooks what a story. Laughable that him, Kieffer and Meps aren’t starting regularly for a desperately poor Bournemouth side - all three need to move on. Rooney has brought in Carl Robison hasn't he? Is he a decent coach? |
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Post by Tyler75 on Oct 16, 2023 16:38:52 GMT
That’s definitely the best front-foot football we’ve played for some time (Hungary at home?). Class act that he is, I can’t help thinking Rambo being out meant that we were forced into being much more dynamic. I was definitely one of those wanting Osian to be brought in but Page tactically got it spot on and all credit to him. JJ has been a revelation - a bit worrying that at club level he’s now got Rooney as his Manager. Dai Brooks what a story. Laughable that him, Kieffer and Meps aren’t starting regularly for a desperately poor Bournemouth side - all three need to move on. Rooney has brought in Carl Robison hasn't he? Is he a decent coach? |
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Post by Tyler75 on Oct 16, 2023 16:39:14 GMT
Rooney has brought in Carl Robison hasn't he? Is he a decent coach? |
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Post by Tyler75 on Oct 16, 2023 16:39:32 GMT
Rooney has brought in Carl Robison hasn't he? Is he a decent coach? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 16, 2023 16:42:19 GMT
If we can get to another tournament then it also improves our chances or keeping / gaining dual qualified youngsters. They are only human and if they see a team that qualifies for every Euros, which increases their own profile in the future, then it really is likely to influence decisions on the margin. This weekend was really great for Welsh football - our victory last night, the good second half and last minute goal against Czech Republic for our U21s and the draw against England for our U19 Loved seeing Koumas so driven in that match - he looks fully committed and surely it helps Crew make the right decision! Maybe Buck and Ash Phillips had a realisation that they could do worse than join our team if things don't go quickly for them with England in the next 2 years too! Ash Phillips is definitely one to keep an eye on given that he actually came and played for us at one point. Like you say if things don't progress too quickly at Spurs (he might well find that he moved too early) then he could end up being not quite good enough for them but easily good enough to get in our team. It might be a cynical way of looking at it but you never know! I know it's been done to death, but it doesn't look like Jay Dasilva will ever be good enough for England now - I do wonder whether it's worth going for him in future, albeit he currently looks to be around the level of a Norrington-Davies. May still be worth asking the question - I have no idea when he was last asked |
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Post by Tyler75 on Oct 16, 2023 16:42:45 GMT
Robinson popped up last season at ER as part of Big Sam’s ‘coaching’ team at the end of Leeds’ car crash of a season - as we picked up - point in the 4 games and looked even worse than previously, which is some low bar, I’m going with No on Robinson’s coaching abilities.
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Post by gwernybwch on Oct 16, 2023 16:53:28 GMT
Robinson popped up last season at ER as part of Big Sam’s ‘coaching’ team at the end of Leeds’ car crash of a season - as we picked up - point in the 4 games and looked even worse than previously, which is some low bar, I’m going with No on Robinson’s coaching abilities. You are getting KARL Robinson mixed up with CARL Robinson. |
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