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Post by iot on Oct 31, 2023 9:23:53 GMT
You are right, it would be ridiculous that people are happy we lost to an Armenian squad with domestic players. The good news is, no one is happy that we lost to an Armenian squad with domestic players. People are becoming accepting of it... What are you saying, that no poor results / performances should be tolerated? If so, then no manager in world football would be safe for more than a few games. Point is, you have to look at things in the round without obsessing over single games because every side and manager will have poor games, it's inevitable. If we look at things in the round over the course of these qualifiers - 10 points from 6 games - that's about a point less than what we would have hoped for, but probably on par (or even slightly better) than what we could have reasonably expected. We could have expected to get 9pts from the three games against Latvia and Armenia. Croatia are obviously a much better side so a point is the most we could have reasonably expected. I personally think that Turkey have much more quality than us (others disagree), so I think a Turkey win in Samsun was always going to be the most likely outcome. The trajectory is also important in reviewing Page's performance, and we're definitely on an upward curve in terms of performances. If we're poor next month and get 0-1 points, then Page will be under pressure because that will have been a below-par campaign. If we get 3-4 points, I personally think we will have met all reasonable expectations (even if it's not quite enough to qualify). |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Oct 31, 2023 10:46:36 GMT
hooky I think scoring 10 mins in during the Armenia home game probably worked against us. We probably just felt then we wouldn’t get drawn back and felt like we just had to see out the last 80mins. That's the exact opposite of what happened. Having taken an early lead we should have sat back in a mid to low block and hit Armenia on the break. Instead we continued to attack with abandon, and for the equaliser Ramsey was AWOL and Johnson failed to track back. Entirely avoidable goal. Yes Armenia were clinical, and we weren't at our best. But the main reason we lost was because of the needlessly reckless tactical approach. It will be galling if we fail to qualify for the lack of those three points, but there's no point dwelling on it. |
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Post by jbt95 on Oct 31, 2023 11:32:09 GMT
hooky I think scoring 10 mins in during the Armenia home game probably worked against us. We probably just felt then we wouldn’t get drawn back and felt like we just had to see out the last 80mins. That's the exact opposite of what happened. Having taken an early lead we should have sat back in a mid to low block and hit Armenia on the break. Instead we continued to attack with abandon, and for the equaliser Ramsey was AWOL and Johnson failed to track back. Entirely avoidable goal. Yes Armenia were clinical, and we weren't at our best. But the main reason we lost was because of the needlessly reckless tactical approach. It will be galling if we fail to qualify for the lack of those three points, but there's no point dwelling on it. I meant more we just became lazy in thinking they wouldn’t get a goal back, that we could just win by a cricket score. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Oct 31, 2023 12:58:32 GMT
In fairness to us too, any shots that Armenia were hitting that day were ending up in the back of the net. Even when we got the game back to 3-2, they got an unexpected fourth goal of the type we would not normally concede.
I think it will be payback time in Yerevan, and I am confident of victory.
But agreed, it's a massive couple of games coming up for RP and the boys on and 18 and 21 November.
P.S. Happy Halloween, everyone!
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Post by melynwy on Oct 31, 2023 15:19:31 GMT
You are right, it would be ridiculous that people are happy we lost to an Armenian squad with domestic players. The good news is, no one is happy that we lost to an Armenian squad with domestic players. People are becoming accepting of it... We are accepting that it happened, yes. We dropped 3 expected points in that match. Crucial at the time. Almost ended the campaign. We gained 3 unexpected points against Croatia. Also crucial at the time. Put it all back to play for. Balance was restored, and we move on. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 17, 2023 17:58:28 GMT
Aaron Ramsey travelled to Armenia despite not playing also there for the Croatia game in full welsh kit. Big signal that the players are Behind him. Never known players to travel with the squad like that. Shows the mentality.
Amazing Rambo!
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Post by quetzal on Nov 18, 2023 16:03:37 GMT
Focus on beating Turkey. Then the play offs but no World Cup got Rob. 1 point in 6 against Armenia doesn’t cut it.
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 17:02:42 GMT
Focus on beating Turkey. Then the play offs but no World Cup got Rob. 1 point in 6 against Armenia doesn’t cut it. Other side of the coin is 7pts in last 3 qualifiers 2 wins and a draw plus unbeaten in 5 now |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 18, 2023 17:16:54 GMT
Taxi for Page me thinks.
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Post by cynonvalley on Nov 18, 2023 17:42:19 GMT
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Post by saturn9 on Nov 18, 2023 17:44:56 GMT
Absolutely. Sooner the better. |
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Post by zserty on Nov 18, 2023 17:45:00 GMT
Wish Page all the best in whatever he does next, tried his best but just not up to it unfortunately.
Best for all parties if we move on and move on quickly.
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Post by vvm on Nov 18, 2023 17:52:35 GMT
Time to go. Enough is enough.
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Post by abwales on Nov 18, 2023 17:54:24 GMT
#CrappyPageOut ?
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Post by surge on Nov 18, 2023 17:56:54 GMT
I'm not sure Page is up to it, but the players tell us a united group is needed to get results so I won't be calling for changes until qualification is over at the earliest.
Get behind the team.
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2023 18:00:34 GMT
I'd be happy to give him until the Playoffs, however I'm under no illusions we won't win them. The Armenia/Turkey double header loss was the right time to change, just don't see a point now until its all over.
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Post by athenempadu on Nov 18, 2023 18:01:07 GMT
Aaron Ramsey travelled to Armenia despite not playing also there for the Croatia game in full welsh kit. Big signal that the players are Behind him. Never known players to travel with the squad like that. Shows the mentality. Amazing Rambo! Maybe he fancies the manager job? |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2023 18:04:56 GMT
I'm not sure Page is up to it, but the players tell us a united group is needed to get results so I won't be calling for changes until qualification is over at the earliest. Get behind the team. That's just a generic comment to make when asked though isn't it? The players aren't going to say different. Like getting the comments of "Brennan's looked sharp in training" and then can't hit a barn door against Latvia. |
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Post by surge on Nov 18, 2023 18:13:10 GMT
I'm not sure Page is up to it, but the players tell us a united group is needed to get results so I won't be calling for changes until qualification is over at the earliest. Get behind the team. That's just a generic comment to make when asked though isn't it? The players aren't going to say different. Like getting the comments of "Brennan's looked sharp in training" and then can't hit a barn door against Latvia. Maybe it is, but feck Page out calls during a live campaign. We have a better chance by believing in ourselves until final whistle blown. Football results are often a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bigger clubs have confidence to play their game rather than the event and thereafter their greater talent and experience wins, smaller clubs know they're not expected to win so often drop deeper and deeper til they concede. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 18:43:20 GMT
I'm not sure Page is up to it, but the players tell us a united group is needed to get results so I won't be calling for changes until qualification is over at the earliest. Get behind the team. I think that's fair comment. Having said that I think the clinically obese female is currently gargling... |
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Post by twofootedtackle on Nov 18, 2023 18:51:22 GMT
With a young squad in games like that, tactical tweaks and understanding how to adjust will win you the game.
The ex Ukrainian coach for the second time has out thought Page. He packed the midfield, forced us wide and made it a dog fight.
It’s a shame but he has to go and we need experience to guide the next generation
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Post by zserty on Nov 18, 2023 18:56:28 GMT
That's just a generic comment to make when asked though isn't it? The players aren't going to say different. Like getting the comments of "Brennan's looked sharp in training" and then can't hit a barn door against Latvia. Maybe it is, but feck Page out calls during a live campaign. We have a better chance by believing in ourselves until final whistle blown. Football results are often a self-fulfilling prophecy. Bigger clubs have confidence to play their game rather than the event and thereafter their greater talent and experience wins, smaller clubs know they're not expected to win so often drop deeper and deeper til they concede. Live campaign, we are already done with the group. You'd be fine with throwing the last chance playoffs away too? |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 18:56:30 GMT
With a young squad in games like that, tactical tweaks and understanding how to adjust will win you the game. The ex Ukrainian coach for the second time has out thought Page. He packed the midfield, forced us wide and made it a dog fight. It’s a shame but he has to go and we need experience to guide the next generation In the same vein page out thought Croatia twice Who comes in that’s better? I don’t see anyone that’s why I’d stick with page. We’ve enjoyed our best success ever the past 7/8 years I think we’d be foolish to change now |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 18:57:32 GMT
During his tenure as Cymru manager Page has occasionally come up with some smart tactical decisions when it comes to our tactics before a ball is kicked. The game against Croatia was a high point in that regard. But a consistent failure of Page has been his inability to change formation or tactics to good effect in game. It started in the Euros against Denmark, and was so evident yet again today. It's as if it never crosses his mind that the opposition manager might counter our approach and attempt to nullify us. He's invariably left floundering - I really struggle to think of a single occasion where we've gained the ascendancy when we've been outplayed at the outset. You just know it's going to be more of the same failed approach.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 19:01:11 GMT
With a young squad in games like that, tactical tweaks and understanding how to adjust will win you the game. The ex Ukrainian coach for the second time has out thought Page. He packed the midfield, forced us wide and made it a dog fight. It’s a shame but he has to go and we need experience to guide the next generation In the same vein page out thought Croatia twice Who comes in that’s better? I don’t see anyone that’s why I’d stick with page. We’ve enjoyed our best success ever the past 7/8 years I think we’d be foolish to change now Even if there is no obvious strong alternative there comes a point in a managerial reign where you lose faith in the manager and they need to go. Page is very close to that point. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 18, 2023 19:01:34 GMT
With a young squad in games like that, tactical tweaks and understanding how to adjust will win you the game. The ex Ukrainian coach for the second time has out thought Page. He packed the midfield, forced us wide and made it a dog fight. It’s a shame but he has to go and we need experience to guide the next generation In the same vein page out thought Croatia twice Who comes in that’s better? I don’t see anyone that’s why I’d stick with page. We’ve enjoyed our best success ever the past 7/8 years I think we’d be foolish to change now out fought Croatia twice? Have you been listening to too many Page after match sound bites? Croatia totally dominated us at home - they should have been 3-0 up before they got complacent and conceded late. Well you can only get lucky so many times. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 19:05:52 GMT
In the same vein page out thought Croatia twice Who comes in that’s better? I don’t see anyone that’s why I’d stick with page. We’ve enjoyed our best success ever the past 7/8 years I think we’d be foolish to change now out fought Croatia twice? Have you been listening to too many Page after match sound bites? Croatia totally dominated us at home - they should have been 3-0 up before they got complacent and conceded late. Well you can only get lucky so many times. And we could have been 5-0 at half time against Croatia at home. Lot of what ifs there |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 19:31:25 GMT
out fought Croatia twice? Have you been listening to too many Page after match sound bites? Croatia totally dominated us at home - they should have been 3-0 up before they got complacent and conceded late. Well you can only get lucky so many times. And we could have been 5-0 at half time against Croatia at home. Lot of what ifs there Seriously? |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2023 19:54:54 GMT
During his tenure as Cymru manager Page has occasionally come up with some smart tactical decisions when it comes to our tactics before a ball is kicked. The game against Croatia was a high point in that regard. But a consistent failure of Page has been his inability to change formation or tactics to good effect in game. It started in the Euros against Denmark, and was so evident yet again today. It's as if it never crosses his mind that the opposition manager might counter our approach and attempt to nullify us. He's invariably left floundering - I really struggle to think of a single occasion where we've gained the ascendancy when we've been outplayed at the outset. You just know it's going to be more of the same failed approach. Only one I can think of was swapping Moore for Dan James at half time in the USA match. We were completely on the ropes until Moore came on. Broadhead against Croatia too, although that was the ultimate smash and grab. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 20:01:11 GMT
During his tenure as Cymru manager Page has occasionally come up with some smart tactical decisions when it comes to our tactics before a ball is kicked. The game against Croatia was a high point in that regard. But a consistent failure of Page has been his inability to change formation or tactics to good effect in game. It started in the Euros against Denmark, and was so evident yet again today. It's as if it never crosses his mind that the opposition manager might counter our approach and attempt to nullify us. He's invariably left floundering - I really struggle to think of a single occasion where we've gained the ascendancy when we've been outplayed at the outset. You just know it's going to be more of the same failed approach. Only one I can think of was swapping Moore for Dan James at half time in the USA match. We were completely on the ropes until Moore came on. Broadhead against Croatia too, although that was the ultimate smash and grab. That's a generous assessment, especially the Broadhead change. I struggle to think of any formation changes or any tactical change in match that has turned things in our favour. |
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