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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 20:04:46 GMT
And we could have been 5-0 at half time against Croatia at home. Lot of what ifs there Seriously? Yes 100% could have been we missed a bag of very good chances. Did you watch the game? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 20:05:14 GMT
One thing Page could have done is switch James and Johnson, given that James has played recently on the right and Johnson on the left.
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Post by talyfan on Nov 18, 2023 20:05:51 GMT
When was the last time we made a comeback from being a goal down and won a match?
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2023 20:06:33 GMT
Only one I can think of was swapping Moore for Dan James at half time in the USA match. We were completely on the ropes until Moore came on. Broadhead against Croatia too, although that was the ultimate smash and grab. That's a generous assessment, especially the Broadhead change. I struggle to think of any formation changes or any tactical change in match that has turned things in our favour. Yeah I'm purely going off he came on and scored. Possibly his only touch. Can't deny it affected the result but Broadhead himself didn't do anything in the flow of the game itself. I think at that point Page was happy losing 1-0 and was giving some new lads a runout. |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2023 20:07:52 GMT
When was the last time we made a comeback from being a goal down and won a match? Belarus possibly? |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 20:08:13 GMT
Yes 100% could have been we missed a bag of very good chances. Did you watch the game? That's completely delusional. We were the better side for sure and deserved the win, but Croatia had higher Xg than ourselves, which tells you something about the number and quality of chances we created. I know you're a big fan of Page's but keep it real. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 20:15:58 GMT
Yes 100% could have been we missed a bag of very good chances. Did you watch the game? That's completely delusional. We were the better side for sure and deserved the win, but Croatia had higher Xg than ourselves, which tells you something about the number and quality of chances we created. I know you're a bif fan of Page's but keep it real. I was there we had chance after chance, we totally smashed them and dominated them. I know you want page out but youre totally in denial you think that results was anything other than a dominant wales. Go read back the highlights |
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Post by talyfan on Nov 18, 2023 20:20:51 GMT
When was the last time we made a comeback from being a goal down and won a match? Belarus possibly? Yeah just checked the results. Seems as though other than maybe knicking a goal to equalise we can never really get back into the game and win after being a goal down. On top of that any draws including goals we're more often than not the first to concede and then react to equalise. Last game was Czech Republic 2-2 at home in Oct 2021. Seems as though and the repeating pattern for me is we never start well. Takes us far too long to get into games and needing a big second half. Mixture of sharpness, set up and various other things. Something Page needs to manage. |
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Post by hooky on Nov 18, 2023 20:39:40 GMT
Head to heads with Armenia - they have clearly outplayed us
Either:
1. Our players are worse than theirs (clearly ours are not as good as we think as almost 50% of the starting line up can't get any minutes with their Premiership or Championship teams)
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2. Our shape, coaches are poorer than theirs
That is a simple way of placing things but clearly it would seem the Armenia manager, who has only been in place a short while, is getting a lot out of their team - many of whom play in their domestic league, while our manager, who has been part of the first team setup for over 6 years is not making a discernible positive difference
Against Croatia our team played like men possessed but it was a one off and its not much good if it isn't sustainable and the indictment against Page is if they could reach that level then why have we been miles off that level for most of your tenure, particularly over the past 18 months?
I referenced the rankings
Do you know what the population of Armenia is? 2.8mn. They must have players on that pitch today playing at the level of 3rd division at best who play in their league and yet they passed the ball far more accurately, were winning so many 50:50s and were far more incisive in attack. Some of those defenders looked absolutely dire but we could not even expose them. Where are the tactics? Hoofing it long and hope Kiefer knocks it on or chases it down the wing?
Today was diabolical. There was little in the way of a coherent game plan from what I could see. Rob brings massive passion but we have again seen that is simple not enough against a competent opposition coach
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Post by winsumluzsum on Nov 18, 2023 20:59:31 GMT
That's completely delusional. We were the better side for sure and deserved the win, but Croatia had higher Xg than ourselves, which tells you something about the number and quality of chances we created. I know you're a bif fan of Page's but keep it real. I was there we had chance after chance, we totally smashed them and dominated them. I know you want page out but youre totally in denial you think that results was anything other than a dominant wales. Go read back the highlights XG Cymru 1.05 Croatia 1.32 As I said delusional. |
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Post by zserty on Nov 18, 2023 21:41:31 GMT
I was there we had chance after chance, we totally smashed them and dominated them. I know you want page out but youre totally in denial you think that results was anything other than a dominant wales. Go read back the highlights XG Cymru 1.05 Croatia 1.32 As I said delusional. We dominated Croatia? Don't remember watching that game. We played well, dug in and fruatrated. Managed to create some good chances but so did they. A pretty even game against a good side in which we came out on top. I'm fed up of good performances being trumped up and used to mitigate some of the abject ones we've seen (such as today). |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 22:04:26 GMT
XG Cymru 1.05 Croatia 1.32 As I said delusional. We dominated Croatia? Don't remember watching that game. We played well, dug in and fruatrated. Managed to create some good chances but so did they. A pretty even game against a good side in which we came out on top. I'm fed up of good performances being trumped up and used to mitigate some of the abject ones we've seen (such as today). Are you fucking mental yes we smashed them Unbelievable how dig you’ll deep to belittle page |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 18, 2023 22:05:14 GMT
I was there we had chance after chance, we totally smashed them and dominated them. I know you want page out but youre totally in denial you think that results was anything other than a dominant wales. Go read back the highlights XG Cymru 1.05 Croatia 1.32 As I said delusional. As I said go read the chances we had, 3 clear ones in the first 20 mins |
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Post by conwy10 on Nov 18, 2023 22:23:03 GMT
Head to heads with Armenia - they have clearly outplayed us Either: 1. Our players are worse than theirs (clearly ours are not as good as we think as almost 50% of the starting line up can't get any minutes with their Premiership or Championship teams) or 2. Our shape, coaches are poorer than theirs That is a simple way of placing things but clearly it would seem the Armenia manager, who has only been in place a short while, is getting a lot out of their team - many of whom play in their domestic league, while our manager, who has been part of the first team setup for over 6 years is not making a discernible positive difference Against Croatia our team played like men possessed but it was a one off and its not much good if it isn't sustainable and the indictment against Page is if they could reach that level then why have we been miles off that level for most of your tenure, particularly over the past 18 months? I referenced the rankings Do you know what the population of Armenia is? 2.8mn. They must have players on that pitch today playing at the level of 3rd division at best who play in their league and yet they passed the ball far more accurately, were winning so many 50:50s and were far more incisive in attack. Some of those defenders looked absolutely dire but we could not even expose them. Where are the tactics? Hoofing it long and hope Kiefer knocks it on or chases it down the wing? Today was diabolical. There was little in the way of a coherent game plan from what I could see. Rob brings massive passion but we have again seen that is simple not enough against a competent opposition coach Maybe the team get complacent and only want to put in a shift against the big teams. Could be a belief that they're better so they can take their time working their way into the match. |
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Post by zserty on Nov 19, 2023 0:32:29 GMT
We dominated Croatia? Don't remember watching that game. We played well, dug in and fruatrated. Managed to create some good chances but so did they. A pretty even game against a good side in which we came out on top. I'm fed up of good performances being trumped up and used to mitigate some of the abject ones we've seen (such as today). Are you fucking mental yes we smashed them Unbelievable how dig you’ll deep to belittle page I would suggest if you want anyone to take you seriously you should refrain from childish insults. For swathes of the game we barely touched the ball, we hit them on the counter twice and scored twice. Our other chances were all shots from outside the box. The stats don't lie. Belittle Page? From this campaign in what games have we actually put in a decent performance? Croatia at home is the only one i can think of where we got it right. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 6:08:39 GMT
Yes 100% could have been we missed a bag of very good chances. Did you watch the game? Come on dragon …you lose your arguments when your so far removed from reality. Page has cost us qualification. Time for him to do the decent thing and leave. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 6:14:55 GMT
How much has NOT qualifying actually cost the FAW? Compared to how much it will cost to dump Page?
I honestly can’t see how Page can still be in charge if and when we fail the play offs. His ship will have well and truely sailed by that point.
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 7:25:44 GMT
Are you fucking mental yes we smashed them Unbelievable how dig you’ll deep to belittle page I would suggest if you want anyone to take you seriously you should refrain from childish insults. For swathes of the game we barely touched the ball, we hit them on the counter twice and scored twice. Our other chances were all shots from outside the box. The stats don't lie. Belittle Page? From this campaign in what games have we actually put in a decent performance? Croatia at home is the only one i can think of where we got it right. Mate your page out hatred is blinding you: BBC: Wales would have won more comfortably were it not for several fine saves by Croatian goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic, while at the other of the field Danny Ward had a far quieter, but memorable, evening. Guardian: Wales needed to beat Croatia to keep their automatic qualification hopes alive and how they got a barnstorming performance to The electrifying atmosphere at Cardiff City Stadium, bolstered by an enthusiastic crowd, witnessed a dominant Welsh side outclass the World Cup semi-finalists www.mundodeportivo.com/us/en/20231016/664558/wales-delivers-stellar-performance-to-defeat-croatia-and-revive-euro-2024-qualification-hopes.html?facet=amp |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 7:34:21 GMT
Yes 100% could have been we missed a bag of very good chances. Did you watch the game? Come on dragon …you lose your arguments when your so far removed from reality. Page has cost us qualification. Time for him to do the decent thing and leave. I don’t think page out is our best bet, I can see why others think so but to me we have just qualified for 3 tournaments and in still in with a chance to get to a fourth. We have to look where we have come from, that was a drew away against a side that got the better of us twice. Like us with Croatia or a Belgium. In the group we are third, are we better than Croatia and turkey? No we are not, we are exactly where our quality dictates. This isn’t all on page I’m afraid and that’s why I don’t see any manager doing better. It’s pure blind hatred to start rewriting the narrative of a superb display in Croatia |
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Post by zserty on Nov 19, 2023 7:39:33 GMT
I would suggest if you want anyone to take you seriously you should refrain from childish insults. For swathes of the game we barely touched the ball, we hit them on the counter twice and scored twice. Our other chances were all shots from outside the box. The stats don't lie. Belittle Page? From this campaign in what games have we actually put in a decent performance? Croatia at home is the only one i can think of where we got it right. Mate your page out hatred is blinding you: BBC: Wales would have won more comfortably were it not for several fine saves by Croatian goalkeeper Dominik Livakovic, while at the other of the field Danny Ward had a far quieter, but memorable, evening. Guardian: Wales needed to beat Croatia to keep their automatic qualification hopes alive and how they got a barnstorming performance to The electrifying atmosphere at Cardiff City Stadium, bolstered by an enthusiastic crowd, witnessed a dominant Welsh side outclass the World Cup semi-finalists www.mundodeportivo.com/us/en/20231016/664558/wales-delivers-stellar-performance-to-defeat-croatia-and-revive-euro-2024-qualification-hopes.html?facet=ampFeel free to believe as you wish. I was at the game watched every kick and yes we played so much better than we have in any game this campaign. But despite this we had 34% of the ball, 5 shots on target (inc 2 goals) and their keeper made 3 saves, we also made 198 passes vs 627. Dominant. Still a good victory. However we have struggled to put away Latvia on two occasions, been beaten deservedly by Turkey(A) and Armenia(H) and never looked like getting a result vs Armenia(A). Thats not good enough and off the back off a torrid WC. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 7:50:39 GMT
Feel free to believe as you wish. I was at the game watched every kick and yes we played so much better than we have in any game this campaign. But despite this we had 34% of the ball, 5 shots on target (inc 2 goals) and their keeper made 3 saves, we also made 198 passes vs 627. Dominant. Still a good victory. However we have struggled to put away Latvia on two occasions, been beaten deservedly by Turkey(A) and Armenia(H) and never looked like getting a result vs Armenia(A). Thats not good enough and off the back off a torrid WC. Oh come on! Their keeper made 3 excellent saves, ward had nothing to do. I was there too, we made croatia look awful for their 66% possession 60% of that must have been passing the ball out of touch. Deserved a good few more, there were no doubts on the night. Wales gave it everything and we were by far the better side. I get you don’t like page but it’s getting silly |
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Post by zserty on Nov 19, 2023 8:33:38 GMT
Feel free to believe as you wish. I was at the game watched every kick and yes we played so much better than we have in any game this campaign. But despite this we had 34% of the ball, 5 shots on target (inc 2 goals) and their keeper made 3 saves, we also made 198 passes vs 627. Dominant. Still a good victory. However we have struggled to put away Latvia on two occasions, been beaten deservedly by Turkey(A) and Armenia(H) and never looked like getting a result vs Armenia(A). Thats not good enough and off the back off a torrid WC. Oh come on! Their keeper made 3 excellent saves, ward had nothing to do. I was there too, we made croatia look awful for their 66% possession 60% of that must have been passing the ball out of touch. Deserved a good few more, there were no doubts on the night. Wales gave it everything and we were by far the better side. I get you don’t like page but it’s getting silly Nobody hates Page. But most think that we don't win the playoffs with him at the helm, the aim is to have the best chance at going to the Euros therefore he has to go. Its pretty simple. |
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Post by janglingjack on Nov 19, 2023 9:32:18 GMT
How anyone can stick up for page so vehemently is a bit mad  ,i mean he is a nice honest guy and nothing against him,and i don't blame him for hanging onto the job for as long as possible (let's face it if it were a club he would be long gone already).But he is average at best isn't he,surely everyone can see that.Anyway we have all said the same things a hundred times over,it is what it is i suppose. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 9:53:37 GMT
How anyone can stick up for page so vehemently is a bit mad ,i mean he is a nice honest guy and nothing against him,and i don't blame him for hanging onto the job for as long as possible (let's face it if it were a club he would be long gone already).But he is average at best isn't he,surely everyone can see that.Anyway we have all said the same things a hundred times over,it is what it is i suppose. It does seem like I’m the only one here. For what it’s worth… 1. We still have a chance of qualifying, slim but we have play offs. 2. Unbeaten in 5 games, conceded only 2 3. Half our starting 11 aren’t playing for clubs 4. We’re realistically where we deserve to in the group - considering the quality of our players right now 5. I see little alternatives who I think will do better That’s simply it. I’m just not picking him apart from interviews, his passion is too much, his fault for everything it seems right now. It’s got a bit silly. |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 9:58:24 GMT
How anyone can stick up for page so vehemently is a bit mad ,i mean he is a nice honest guy and nothing against him,and i don't blame him for hanging onto the job for as long as possible (let's face it if it were a club he would be long gone already).But he is average at best isn't he,surely everyone can see that.Anyway we have all said the same things a hundred times over,it is what it is i suppose. Bang on !! |
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Post by aberbeeg on Nov 19, 2023 10:01:42 GMT
How anyone can stick up for page so vehemently is a bit mad ,i mean he is a nice honest guy and nothing against him,and i don't blame him for hanging onto the job for as long as possible (let's face it if it were a club he would be long gone already).But he is average at best isn't he,surely everyone can see that.Anyway we have all said the same things a hundred times over,it is what it is i suppose. It does seem like I’m the only one here. For what it’s worth… 1. We still have a chance of qualifying, slim but we have play offs. 2. Unbeaten in 5 games, conceded only 2 3. Half our starting 11 aren’t playing for clubs 4. We’re realistically where we deserve to in the group - considering the quality of our players right now 5. I see little alternatives who I think will do better That’s simply it. I’m just not picking him apart from interviews, his passion is too much, his fault for everything it seems right now. It’s got a bit silly. Weren’t we the second seeds? At the start of the group we were all quite happy with the draw. Unfortunately having Armenia play us off the park TWICE has lost us our qualifiers. In my opinion we’ve had one great result in the group and outside of that result the rest of the performances have been completely hit n miss. |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 10:03:08 GMT
How anyone can stick up for page so vehemently is a bit mad ,i mean he is a nice honest guy and nothing against him,and i don't blame him for hanging onto the job for as long as possible (let's face it if it were a club he would be long gone already).But he is average at best isn't he,surely everyone can see that.Anyway we have all said the same things a hundred times over,it is what it is i suppose. Bang on !! So you’d sack page now I take it. Genuine question who do you see coming in? and getting better out of a team where half our players can’t get a club game. So we qualify? |
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Post by njdragon on Nov 19, 2023 10:06:10 GMT
It does seem like I’m the only one here. For what it’s worth… 1. We still have a chance of qualifying, slim but we have play offs. 2. Unbeaten in 5 games, conceded only 2 3. Half our starting 11 aren’t playing for clubs 4. We’re realistically where we deserve to in the group - considering the quality of our players right now 5. I see little alternatives who I think will do better That’s simply it. I’m just not picking him apart from interviews, his passion is too much, his fault for everything it seems right now. It’s got a bit silly. Weren’t we the second seeds? At the start of the group we were all quite happy with the draw. Unfortunately having Armenia play us off the park TWICE has lost us our qualifiers. In my opinion we’ve had one great result in the group and outside of that result the rest of the performances have been completely hit n miss. We aren’t better than Croatia are we? And they are second? Unfortunately for us turkey have come good and Armenia are not the side they were last year. I don’t think we’re any better than third in this group and that’s not down to page. It’s just realistic. |
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Post by janglingjack on Nov 19, 2023 10:16:34 GMT
Pretty clear we aren't better than third in the group on performances but that is where a streetwise savvy manager with a tactical plan earns his corn isn't it,page is none of those things,he hardly reacts to things happening on the pitch ,it's like he doesn't quite know what to do,i see a man way out of his depth and knowing it.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Nov 19, 2023 10:39:14 GMT
It does seem like I’m the only one here. For what it’s worth… 1. We still have a chance of qualifying, slim but we have play offs. 2. Unbeaten in 5 games, conceded only 2 3. Half our starting 11 aren’t playing for clubs 4. We’re realistically where we deserve to in the group - considering the quality of our players right now 5. I see little alternatives who I think will do better That’s simply it. I’m just not picking him apart from interviews, his passion is too much, his fault for everything it seems right now. It’s got a bit silly. Weren’t we the second seeds? At the start of the group we were all quite happy with the draw. Unfortunately having Armenia play us off the park TWICE has lost us our qualifiers. In my opinion we’ve had one great result in the group and outside of that result the rest of the performances have been completely hit n miss. Our results against everyone else have been good enough. It's the Armenia games that have tripped us up completely. Had we even just won the home game we'd be in a great position to qualify |
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,i mean he is a nice honest guy and nothing against him,and i don't blame him for hanging onto the job for as long as possible (let's face it if it were a club he would be long gone already).But he is average at best isn't he,surely everyone can see that.Anyway we have all said the same things a hundred times over,it is what it is i suppose.