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Post by gwernybwch on Aug 18, 2018 20:24:54 GMT
I notice that Osian Roberts tweeted a picture of him and Dummett today. Quite unusual as I can't ever recall his tweeting pictures of him with other "Welsh" players before. OR also spent last night chatting with Rafa Benitez.
Maybe I reading too much into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dummett is named in the next squad......
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Post by iot on Aug 18, 2018 22:32:54 GMT
I notice that Osian Roberts tweeted a picture of him and Dummett today. Quite unusual as I can't ever recall his tweeting pictures of him with other "Welsh" players before. OR also spent last night chatting with Rafa Benitez. Maybe I reading too much into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dummett is named in the next squad...... I think you're right, I notice he also described him as a Newcastle and Wales player in that tweet |
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Post by manulike on Aug 18, 2018 23:07:59 GMT
I notice that Osian Roberts tweeted a picture of him and Dummett today. Quite unusual as I can't ever recall his tweeting pictures of him with other "Welsh" players before. OR also spent last night chatting with Rafa Benitez. Maybe I reading too much into it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Dummett is named in the next squad...... I think you're right, I notice he also described him as a Newcastle and Wales player in that tweet That will keep our Neil on his toes ;-) |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 19, 2018 8:35:18 GMT
If Taylor plays for Wales again I would be disappointed.
Think we Have enough centre halves now to let Davies play there.
Not sure how I feel about a Dummett call up, pissed us about too often for my liking.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 19, 2018 10:26:01 GMT
Thought he preferred to represent Geordie-land.
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Post by zenith on Aug 19, 2018 11:01:32 GMT
Like many of you on here I’m unsure how I’d feel about Dummett being called up.
If he publicly expressed his desire to get back in the Wales squad I’d probably find it easier to understand.
As I remember, he continued to refuse Cookie’s call ups and then refused China and Mexico under Giggs.
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Post by zenith on Aug 19, 2018 21:39:22 GMT
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Post by manulike on Aug 19, 2018 22:15:27 GMT
"At any club, any international team, when you have a change of manager, things change," he said. "New managers have different ideas and different players play, so it is obviously a new era at Wales now. "We'll see what happens if I can speak to the manager in the next few weeks." The 26-year old, who has been a regular starter for manager Rafa Benitez in the Premier League and Championship, says he has focused on his club career previously due to a lack of international opportunities. Dummett is yet to play in a competitive international and has won only two caps, both in friendly matches against the Netherlands in 2014 and 2015. He was part Wales' pre-Euro 2016 training camp in Portugal, but he was cut from the squad when Coleman selected his final 23. Dummett says the only reason he turned down a call from Giggs was because Newcastle's Premier League status was looking precarious at the time. "We were going through a tough spell with Newcastle in the Premier League and I felt like it was the right decision that I made," he said. "I wanted to focus on Newcastle because ultimately I want to be playing in the Premier League and we were in the bottom three at the time. "I wanted to make sure I was playing every week for Newcastle and he (Giggs) respected the decision that I made, but he was really positive when I spoke to him on the phone." www.bbc.com/sport/football/45241898 |
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 19, 2018 23:06:44 GMT
I don’t think we gain anything by objecting to his call up by sending negative vibes about him falling out with Coleman.
As far as I’m concerned it’s new manager,new start
If he wants to play for Wales under Giggs and is selected, I’ll support him like every other player wearing the red shirt.
COME ON WALES!!!
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Post by yanto on Aug 20, 2018 6:38:11 GMT
Welcome back to the fold I say, Cookie operated a loyality system which appeared to ignore form, if i was a pro i would habe found that difficult too.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 20, 2018 9:37:37 GMT
How many games sitting on the bench before he takes his toys back to Newcastle?
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Aug 20, 2018 9:49:19 GMT
Well hes a quality defender and we dont have bags of depth there, so id be happy enough as long as shows commitment to Wales when on the field, and it betters us, im not gonna argue.
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Post by zenith on Aug 20, 2018 9:53:34 GMT
It’s going to be hard to see where he gets games.
Davies is comfortably first choice, and if we changed to a 3 now I think Mepham is strong enough to come in with Williams and Chester with Davies keeping the wing back role.
Barring injuries, he won’t play a lot so it will be a test of character to see if he wants to stick around after not playing for another 8 or 9 games.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 20, 2018 10:08:59 GMT
It’s going to be hard to see where he gets games. Davies is comfortably first choice, and if we changed to a 3 now I think Mepham is strong enough to come in with Williams and Chester with Davies keeping the wing back role. Barring injuries, he won’t play a lot so it will be a test of character to see if he wants to stick around after not playing for another 8 or 9 games. Agree but ability wise he should be ahead of Taylor. So if Davies isn't available Dummett would be next choice. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 20, 2018 10:17:56 GMT
It’s going to be hard to see where he gets games. Davies is comfortably first choice, and if we changed to a 3 now I think Mepham is strong enough to come in with Williams and Chester with Davies keeping the wing back role. Barring injuries, he won’t play a lot so it will be a test of character to see if he wants to stick around after not playing for another 8 or 9 games. Agree but ability wise he should be ahead of Taylor. So if Davies isn't available Dummett would be next choice. He was next choice under Coleman as well but decided to pull out when he had the opportunity to play (Serbia) He also wanted to concentrate on Newcastle rather than join Giggs’s squads for China and Mexico. For me this is his last chance saloon. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Aug 20, 2018 10:18:00 GMT
It’s going to be hard to see where he gets games. Davies is comfortably first choice, and if we changed to a 3 now I think Mepham is strong enough to come in with Williams and Chester with Davies keeping the wing back role. Barring injuries, he won’t play a lot so it will be a test of character to see if he wants to stick around after not playing for another 8 or 9 games. Agree but ability wise he should be ahead of Taylor. So if Davies isn't available Dummett would be next choice. And if we do go 5 at the back then, Dummett and Davies can interchange. |
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Post by sleepy on Aug 20, 2018 10:36:24 GMT
Agree but ability wise he should be ahead of Taylor. So if Davies isn't available Dummett would be next choice. He was next choice under Coleman as well but decided to pull out when he had the opportunity to play (Serbia) He also wanted to concentrate on Newcastle rather than join Giggs’s squads for China and Mexico. For me this is his last chance saloon. Not disputing his commitment (or lack of), but would you agree that, based on form alone, he is our 2nd best LB after Davies? |
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 20, 2018 11:28:22 GMT
He was next choice under Coleman as well but decided to pull out when he had the opportunity to play (Serbia) He also wanted to concentrate on Newcastle rather than join Giggs’s squads for China and Mexico. For me this is his last chance saloon. Not disputing his commitment (or lack of), but would you agree that, based on form alone, he is our 2nd best LB after Davies? I agree his skill set would be advantageous in the squad, no doubt about it, but at what cost? My concern is will Giggs now change his tactics to adopt Dummett, because if he doesn’t he will not be happy to sit on the bench? Could therefore be a disruptive influence? Is it fair to drop Declan John to accomodate Dummett? John performed well in China. |
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Post by iot on Aug 20, 2018 12:30:47 GMT
Welcome back to the fold I say, Cookie operated a loyality system which appeared to ignore form, if i was a pro i would habe found that difficult too. I wouldn't oppose his return either, but I completely disagree with the second half of that sentence. Dummett wasn't left out of the first team because of Cookie's 'loyalty system', he was left out because our defence was exceptional. He didn't deserve a place ahead of any of them because of how effective they were as a unit - and I include Jazz Richards in that too. If Dummett wants to come back, as I said, I wouldn't oppose that. However, I do feel slightly concerned that Giggs will fell pressurised into playing him in case he throws a strop again if he's left out for a while. |
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Post by conwy10 on Aug 20, 2018 12:31:38 GMT
It’s going to be hard to see where he gets games. Davies is comfortably first choice, and if we changed to a 3 now I think Mepham is strong enough to come in with Williams and Chester with Davies keeping the wing back role. Barring injuries, he won’t play a lot so it will be a test of character to see if he wants to stick around after not playing for another 8 or 9 games. Agree but ability wise he should be ahead of Taylor. So if Davies isn't available Dummett would be next choice. I don’t think he should be in all honesty. Do we pick Dummett or Taylor? Taylor has more caps, has played in the system. If it’s long term and Davies retires then yeah I would say Dummett but for only one or 2 games I’d stick in the lad I could depend on. I’d even move Jazz Richards to left back before him. I think Dummett should have been given more chances but unfortunately he’s mid 20’s and only has 2 caps to his name. I wouldn’t say the ship has sailed but he’ll be one of those kids look back on in 10 years and wonder why a Premier League defender retired from Wales with less than 10 caps. |
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Post by melynwy on Aug 20, 2018 12:36:13 GMT
Agree but ability wise he should be ahead of Taylor. So if Davies isn't available Dummett would be next choice. If it’s long term and Davies retires then yeah I would say Dummett Barring a career-ending injury I can't see that happening - Dummett is older than Davies! |
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Post by jonathandearth on Aug 20, 2018 12:39:44 GMT
This is brilliant news!
We desperately need Premiership players - the only playing regularly at the moment are Hennessey, Davies, Ramsey, Vokes, Brooks.
With Bale as well, that's only 6 at the highest level, which is the lowest we've had for a good few years.
The future is bright with loads of young players in the Championship - and this time next year, we could have 11/12 Premiership players.
But, we are short at the moment and I'm worried this will be reflected in the Nations League results. We really need Dummett and we should be very positive and get behind him for Wales.
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Post by rob on Aug 20, 2018 13:12:59 GMT
Would stay away from Dummett.Put in same category as Ben Thatcher and Danny Collins-only in it for career progression rather than passion for adopted country. Would choose Declan John and Jazz Richards ahead of him.
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 20, 2018 14:20:37 GMT
What we’ve got to remember is these kind of things happen all the time in football and sometimes it’s best to move forward and forget what’s happened with previous managers
Thers always some drama in football with players refusing to train or some sort of contract dispute but they are usually accepted back into the squad and it’s all forgotten
Every time a club changes manager there is a player that comes in from the cold who was out of favour with the previous boss.In the same way, someone who was a certain starter with one manager , suddenly doesn’t get a sniff with the new boss and is moved on.
The difference with international football is that if you fall out with the manager you have to sit it out until the next one comes in as you can’t move on to another team.
As I said earlier, if Dummett gets selected then let all get behind him as anything else is self defeating
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 20, 2018 21:30:51 GMT
Welcome back to the fold I say, Cookie operated a loyality system which appeared to ignore form, if i was a pro i would habe found that difficult too. As Coleman was ‘ignoring form’ by leaving Dummett out,can you tell me which defender out of Davies,Richards,Taylor,Chester,Williams,Gunter or Collins you would have left out of the Euro 2016 squad to make way for Dummett? (Bare in mind you need to consider form in 2016 when the matches were played,not current form) |
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Post by conwy10 on Aug 20, 2018 21:36:17 GMT
If it’s long term and Davies retires then yeah I would say Dummett Barring a career-ending injury I can't see that happening - Dummett is older than Davies! Yeah I know Davies is young, but that left back position is his, he’s better than Dummett, theres no way Dummett is getting an extended run in the team with Davies around. If we’re going to move either Dummett or Davies to centre back do you drop Chester or Mepham who it’s looking likely will be our centreback partnership for the long term. If Davies gets an injury would you give him a chance or bring in the lad who’s got 40 caps and played in the Euros? Or even would you give the opportunity to a youngster to get them ready in the long term? If I was the manager a 26 year old with 2 caps wouldn’t be on my radar unless he became Sergio Ramos over a couple of months. I desperately wanted Dummett to get his chance but I don’t see what he can bring to Wales except if we have a catastrophic injury crisis. |
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Post by conwy10 on Aug 20, 2018 21:49:13 GMT
This is brilliant news! We desperately need Premiership players - the only playing regularly at the moment are Hennessey, Davies, Ramsey, Vokes, Brooks. With Bale as well, that's only 6 at the highest level, which is the lowest we've had for a good few years. The future is bright with loads of young players in the Championship - and this time next year, we could have 11/12 Premiership players. But, we are short at the moment and I'm worried this will be reflected in the Nations League results. We really need Dummett and we should be very positive and get behind him for Wales. Football is a weird sport. Dummett is in the Premier League, Allen is in the Championship. I don’t think any other Premier League team than Newcastle would have Dummett in their starting line up. He’s doing well off their success. Which Championship player would you drop for Dummett? Gunter, Chester, Mepham or Williams? |
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Post by manulike on Aug 20, 2018 22:29:22 GMT
Maybe Ryan is thinking about switching Davies over to the left?
Is going to the spurs v united match next week...
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Post by zenith on Aug 20, 2018 22:42:15 GMT
Maybe Ryan is thinking about switching Davies over to the left? Is going to the spurs v united match next week... Should be noted that this game is on Monday night, so he is hopefully in Sheffield on Saturday watching Gwion Edwards tear apart Wednesday! Ash Baker will hopefully be playing in the same match. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Aug 21, 2018 11:20:58 GMT
Every time i have seen him play for Newcastle he has been an ordinary player.
I think he is only in the newcastle team as a token local born/Geordie player .
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