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Post by welshiron on Aug 21, 2018 11:35:19 GMT
I don't want him in tbe squad.
Would love to know What the players think
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 21, 2018 12:34:33 GMT
Every time i have seen him play for Newcastle he has been an ordinary player. I think he is only in the newcastle team as a token local born/Geordie player . Benitez speaks well if him and Newcastle havent had a token Geordie up until now |
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 21, 2018 14:15:35 GMT
If Dummett is selected and plays he won’t be as a wingback
For Newcastle against Cardiff he was solid but unspectacular. Didn’t really bomb forward and got done once by Murphy.
If we were to play a flat back four it could work with him.
Not sure how he would be in a back three. Has he played as part of a three before?
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Post by iot on Aug 21, 2018 14:46:37 GMT
He's played as a CB before so I imagine he would be comfortable as a LCB in a back five, but I would prefer seeing Mepham there to be honest. I agree with you he wouldn't offer much as a LWB - he'd probably be more solid than Taylor and John but less mobile.
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Post by cymroircarn on Aug 21, 2018 14:49:03 GMT
Whilst he would offer strength in depth, is he willing to sit on the bench again? This is the main question because I don’t see anyone suggesting he would be first choice in any scenario.
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Post by yanto on Aug 23, 2018 21:19:23 GMT
Welcome back to the fold I say, Cookie operated a loyality system which appeared to ignore form, if i was a pro i would habe found that difficult too. I wouldn't oppose his return either, but I completely disagree with the second half of that sentence. Dummett wasn't left out of the first team because of Cookie's 'loyalty system', he was left out because our defence was exceptional. He didn't deserve a place ahead of any of them because of how effective they were as a unit - and I include Jazz Richards in that too. If Dummett wants to come back, as I said, I wouldn't oppose that. However, I do feel slightly concerned that Giggs will fell pressurised into playing him in case he throws a strop again if he's left out for a while. Errr....exceptional? Sorry leaking goals from winning positions v georgia and serbia? Ash v ROI? |
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Post by robin1864 on Aug 23, 2018 22:50:02 GMT
Why are we still talking about this Geordie? He got his selfie with Bale and Rambo a couple of years ago and now he wants no part of the action. He can come crawling back to us if he wants to play international football again.
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Post by quetzal on Aug 24, 2018 2:44:49 GMT
You don’t quit Wales 🏴 Bugger off!!!
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 6:36:30 GMT
Why are we still talking about this Geordie? He got his selfie with Bale and Rambo a couple of years ago and now he wants no part of the action. He can come crawling back to us if he wants to play international football again. Bit harsh this. He's left footed, starts in the premier league, has time on his side and Giggs reached out to him. We can ill afford to cut ties with premier league starters down to pride and stubborness. What has he actually done that can make you so adamant we should not include him ever again? |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 24, 2018 7:35:49 GMT
He quit Wales and has turned down at least 2 call ups.
If he plays against Ireland it will Send out be wrong message to the other players.
He is not our best left back anyway.
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Post by dai on Aug 24, 2018 8:21:39 GMT
He quit Wales and has turned down at least 2 call ups. If he plays against Ireland it will Send out be wrong message to the other players. He is not our best left back anyway. Yet Coleman, who kept playing players regardless of good form or not was sending out the right message? Are we the sort of country who can afford to snub and forget a premier league player? Hardly spoilt with top flight players are we? Time to stop being so precious and emotional about little things. |
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Post by sleepy on Aug 24, 2018 8:33:16 GMT
He quit Wales and has turned down at least 2 call ups. If he plays against Ireland it will Send out be wrong message to the other players. He is not our best left back anyway. He may not be spectacular but he's 26, comfortably our 2nd best left back, and playing regular PL football. If he is interested and serious we would be absolutely insane to not pick him. |
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Post by iot on Aug 24, 2018 8:51:11 GMT
I wouldn't oppose his return either, but I completely disagree with the second half of that sentence. Dummett wasn't left out of the first team because of Cookie's 'loyalty system', he was left out because our defence was exceptional. He didn't deserve a place ahead of any of them because of how effective they were as a unit - and I include Jazz Richards in that too. If Dummett wants to come back, as I said, I wouldn't oppose that. However, I do feel slightly concerned that Giggs will fell pressurised into playing him in case he throws a strop again if he's left out for a while. Errr....exceptional? Sorry leaking goals from winning positions v georgia and serbia? Ash v ROI? Errr... he made himself unavailable before serbia and ireland! Taylor was banned for the serbia game so Dummett had a chance, but decided to pull out to focus on Newcastle. Anyway, our back five (Jazz eventually played) did really well against Serbia and are you seriously suggesting you would have dropped Ash for Dummett, given the opportunity, before the Ireland game? There's so much revisionism and lazy narratives being played out here. |
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Post by iot on Aug 24, 2018 8:53:06 GMT
He quit Wales and has turned down at least 2 call ups. If he plays against Ireland it will Send out be wrong message to the other players. He is not our best left back anyway. He may not be spectacular but he's 26, comfortably our 2nd best left back, and playing regular PL football. If he is interested and serious we would be absolutely insane to not pick him. I would let him back provided that he's content with being our second choice left back (or 3rd if that's how Giggs sees it) - which could possibly mean a run of games on the bench. The big question is if he will be content with that or will he drop out and cause disruption again. |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 8:58:59 GMT
He quit Wales and has turned down at least 2 call ups. If he plays against Ireland it will Send out be wrong message to the other players. He is not our best left back anyway. As I stated before he would play left CB in a back three and allow Davies to go forward as a wing back, slotting in on the left side in case we lose possession and a counter attack ensues. If you are not doing the business you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of a great tournament 2 years ago. So what back 4 or 5 would you go with? |
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Post by texan on Aug 24, 2018 9:18:25 GMT
If you are not doing the business you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of a great tournament 2 years ago. Equally, I'd suggest you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of simply playing regularly in the EPL. |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 9:48:15 GMT
If you are not doing the business you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of a great tournament 2 years ago. Equally, I'd suggest you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of simply playing regularly in the EPL. Sure. I just put forward my XI for the Ireland game and he's in it. |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Aug 24, 2018 9:56:33 GMT
Equally, I'd suggest you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of simply playing regularly in the EPL. Sure. I just put forward my XI for the Ireland game and he's in it. Championship level player at best, with a dubious attitude towards Wales. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 24, 2018 10:06:23 GMT
He quit Wales and has turned down at least 2 call ups. If he plays against Ireland it will Send out be wrong message to the other players. He is not our best left back anyway. As I stated before he would play left CB in a back three and allow Davies to go forward as a wing back, slotting in on the left side in case we lose possession and a counter attack ensues. If you are not doing the business you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of a great tournament 2 years ago. So what back 4 or 5 would you go with? What makes you think he can play centre half? |
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Post by sleepy on Aug 24, 2018 10:43:36 GMT
Sure. I just put forward my XI for the Ireland game and he's in it. Championship level player at best, with a dubious attitude towards Wales. Who is our 2nd best LB in your opinion? |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 12:08:37 GMT
As I stated before he would play left CB in a back three and allow Davies to go forward as a wing back, slotting in on the left side in case we lose possession and a counter attack ensues. If you are not doing the business you don't get to come to the Wales camp and expect to start on the back of a great tournament 2 years ago. So what back 4 or 5 would you go with? What makes you think he can play centre half? He would be in a back three on the left hand side not too far away from where he plays for Newcastle (defensive left back). What is your preferred back 4 or 5 against Ireland? |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 12:09:50 GMT
Sure. I just put forward my XI for the Ireland game and he's in it. Championship level player at best, with a dubious attitude towards Wales. Your first point is 100% born out of your second. |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 12:17:13 GMT
Championship level player at best, with a dubious attitude towards Wales. Your first point is 100% born out of your second. If hes championship level 'at best' this implies that you think he's most likely a league one level player even though he starts for a mid table PL team. Clearly you know more than Rafa Benitez. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 24, 2018 12:45:42 GMT
Blimey the Dummett defence committee is out in force today. He’s turned down numerous chances to join the squad and will probably do so again this autumn.
No big loss if he does.
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 13:06:01 GMT
Blimey the Dummett defence committee is out in force today. He’s turned down numerous chances to join the squad and will probably do so again this autumn. No big loss if he does. And as we see here so are the 'boot him out' brigade... |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 13:07:18 GMT
Aren't you as a mod supposed to respect both sides of a debate even if you do not agree with it?
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 24, 2018 13:28:02 GMT
Aren't you as a mod supposed to respect both sides of a debate even if you do not agree with it? Alright touchy, in what way did I not respect both sides or even disagree with anyone? As for ‘boot him out’, not one poster has said that. Probably because you can’t ‘boot’ someone out of a squad they’re not even in. A situation Dummett chose btw. There seems to be only one poster getting a little too carried away with the discussion. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 24, 2018 13:28:54 GMT
What makes you think he can play centre half? He would be in a back three on the left hand side not too far away from where he plays for Newcastle (defensive left back). What is your preferred back 4 or 5 against Ireland? Gunter Davies Chester Williams / Mepham (both if we play a 5) Ampadu would be next in line at centre half with Dummett next in line at left back and Roberts at right back |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 13:43:50 GMT
Aren't you as a mod supposed to respect both sides of a debate even if you do not agree with it? Alright touchy, in what way did I not respect both sides or even disagree with anyone? As for ‘boot him out’, not one poster has said that. Probably because you can’t ‘boot’ someone out of a squad they’re not even in. A situation Dummett chose btw. There seems to be only one poster getting a little too carried away with the discussion.Not really. Although you knew exactly what i meant by 'boot him out' . What difference does the wording make to the point. |
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 24, 2018 13:45:41 GMT
He would be in a back three on the left hand side not too far away from where he plays for Newcastle (defensive left back). What is your preferred back 4 or 5 against Ireland? Gunter Davies Chester Williams / Mepham (both if we play a 5) Ampadu would be next in line at centre half with Dummett next in line at left back and Roberts at right back Fair enough I know it sounds bad but I completely forgot about Chester when doing my back 5 the other day  |
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