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Post by jonathandearth on Nov 13, 2016 8:50:38 GMT
Ridiculous that he wasn't starting yesterday - system changed to 4-4-2 just to keep him out. And that he didn't come on as sub.
He's the only ever present player in Newcastle's top of the Championship team. What has he got to do to get picked.
We can't afford to lose players of his quality- particularly as he will be in the Premiership next year, probably.
Coleman managed Boaz Myhill into international retirement - don't want the same to happen to Dummett. Or even worse, as he hasn't played a competitive match for Wales, into the arms of England.
Just sent a supportive tweet to @pauldummett - if you feel the same then please do so as well.
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Post by gwernybwch on Nov 13, 2016 9:01:00 GMT
Ridiculous that he wasn't starting yesterday - system changed to 4-4-2 just to keep him out. And that he didn't come on as sub. He's the only ever present player in Newcastle's top of the Championship team. What has he got to do to get picked. We can't afford to lose players of his quality- particularly as he will be in the Premiership next year, probably. Within out turning this into another Coleman bashing or a Bradshaw thread, it's obvious that if Coleman doesn't fancy a player, they have to jump through hoops to get anywhere near the squad or the first team. If on the other hand your name is Simon Church......
I thought that the Serbs (who weren't anywhere as good as I was expecting) were getting so much space down the sides that it was almost automatic that we would revert to 5 at the back at half-time. But alas.
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Post by cadno on Nov 13, 2016 9:28:08 GMT
Do you reckon we'd have won the game with Dummett and 3-5-2?
I was surprised to see us start with 4 at the back but I thought we played well.
Lawrence put a big shift in, it's a shame we couldn't get him on the ball a little bit more.
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Post by dayoo87 on Nov 13, 2016 9:55:27 GMT
If Bale makes it 2-0, we're probably not having this conversation and Coleman is a genius for changing the formation, that being said...Serbia we getting a lot of joy down the flanks in the 2nd half, and by around the 70th minute I thought we were going to bring on Dummett/Matthews to go 5 at the back and try and close the game out.
On a broader note, after this campaign I think centre-back is going to become more of a problem position for us. Ash and Collins are both going to be rapidly approaching retirement and I don't see any obvious replacements coming through. This was a good chance to play Dummett and start to build his international experience.
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Post by welshiron on Nov 13, 2016 10:09:29 GMT
I think the change of formation may well have happened anyway, the main surprise was playing 2 up front and Bale, left too much space in the midfield IMO. However, HRK set up the goal and probably should of scored with a header.
As for Dummett he must be really wondering what he has to do to get a game, maybe he isn't showing up well in training?
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Post by abwales on Nov 13, 2016 12:27:29 GMT
I liked the change in tac. Just thought HRK & Vokes offered nothing.
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Post by alarch on Nov 13, 2016 13:03:43 GMT
With Serbia playing a 3-4-3 Coleman probably saw the need to match up the Serbs in the centre of the park. With our 4-2-3-1 (or was it a 4-4-2?) we managed that, no mean feat considering that Serbia are as strong in the centre of the park as we are. It's significant that both goals and most of the threatening moves came from out wide, from both sides. We could have switched to a wing-back formation, and with the extra man at the back we would probably have prevented Milosevic's goal. But we would have probably been over-run in midfield. Who would be an international manager...
Personally, I can't fault Coleman's tactics or selection - it was just one of those games where we could easily have got a victory, but ended up with a draw, which on the balance of play was probably the fairest result. Gunter's chin up gesture after the England game springs to mind...
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Post by jono on Nov 13, 2016 14:02:45 GMT
We were dog Shite again. Where was Bale supposed to be playing? He's having zero impact whatsoever. Playing with two defensive midfielders at home in a must win game beggars belief. We're in a very difficult position now. We've got to go to Dublin and bring back 3 points without fail.
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Post by welshbigman on Nov 13, 2016 16:25:39 GMT
We were dog Shite again. Where was Bale supposed to be playing? He's having zero impact whatsoever. Playing with two defensive midfielders at home in a must win game beggars belief. We're in a very difficult position now. We've got to go to Dublin and bring back 3 points without fail. I could've sworn he scored and almost had a 2nd but for the width of the post |
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Post by jono on Nov 13, 2016 17:09:58 GMT
We were dog Shite again. Where was Bale supposed to be playing? He's having zero impact whatsoever. Playing with two defensive midfielders at home in a must win game beggars belief. We're in a very difficult position now. We've got to go to Dublin and bring back 3 points without fail. I could've sworn he scored and almost had a 2nd but for the width of the post What influence did he have on the game? F all. Far too deep when he picks up the ball. What position is he playing? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 13, 2016 17:18:00 GMT
...also set up HRK with another wicked cross.
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Post by welshbigman on Nov 13, 2016 17:39:39 GMT
Is scoring a goal not an influence?
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Post by georgetm1 on Nov 13, 2016 18:12:01 GMT
Bale gets man marked a hell of a lot more nowadays. So it's understandable that he can't do as many runs as before.
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 14, 2016 12:02:35 GMT
It's only a matter of time before Dummett says 'ah F~~k this what is the point' and packs in international football. That match was the time to start him and that match is now gone. Collins and Davies comes back and now hes right at the back of the queue again. We could have bedded him in nicely and seeing as he's around 25 he has around 7/8 years in front of him.
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Post by iot on Nov 14, 2016 12:35:48 GMT
It's only a matter of time before Dummett says 'ah F~~k this what is the point' and packs in international football. That match was the time to start him and that match is now gone. Collins and Davies comes back and now hes right at the back of the queue again. We could have bedded him in nicely and seeing as he's around 25 he has around 7/8 years in front of him. Frankly, if that's his attitude, it is we who should say F~~k him. No one has a divine right to play. I highly doubt that Coleman has anything against him, he's just picked other players as he's seen fit. There would have been just as many fans criticising Coleman for sticking to five at the back if he had chosen Dummet. He made a positive decision and we came within five minutes of benefiting massively from it. |
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Post by richierich333 on Nov 14, 2016 13:17:34 GMT
He deserves a chance, no one mentioned a divine right. As for coming within 5 minutes of winning, this doesn't matter. You don't get extra points for 'nearly hanging on' to victory, and as such we have 1 point not three. 1-1 is all that what will go down in the record books.
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Post by manulike on Nov 14, 2016 14:10:49 GMT
With all due respect to Dummett - and i certainly hope to see him in the starting lineup sooner, rather than later - it must be stated that Neil Tylor had a great game. Totally justified the faith Cookie put in him.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 14, 2016 15:58:57 GMT
With all due respect to Dummett - and i certainly hope to see him in the starting lineup sooner, rather than later - it must be stated that Neil Tylor had a great game. Totally justified the faith Cookie put in him. Shame that Taylor didn't get close enough to his man to stop the ball coming in that resulted in their goal. |
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Post by dai on Nov 14, 2016 16:00:51 GMT
With all due respect to Dummett - and i certainly hope to see him in the starting lineup sooner, rather than later - it must be stated that Neil Tylor had a great game. Totally justified the faith Cookie put in him. Shame that Taylor didn't get close enough to his man to stop the ball coming in that resulted in their goal. He was also a whisker away from a terrible yellow card as well, bordering on red. Otherwise he played well - better than usual. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 14, 2016 16:03:53 GMT
Shame that Taylor didn't get close enough to his man to stop the ball coming in that resulted in their goal. He was also a whisker away from a terrible yellow card as well, bordering on red. Otherwise he played well - better than usual. Definitely improved. I was calling on Cookie to drop him before Davies picked up an injury as he's been our weak link in recent games but perhaps he's worth another chance in Dublin. |
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 14, 2016 16:21:22 GMT
Ben davies being injured was a huge miss in saturday as it was against Portugal!Coleman knows he's going after this campaign and just like hughes did doesn't want to drop his regular starters even if they're not playing regularly at club level or out of form!
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 14, 2016 16:27:40 GMT
Ben davies being injured was a huge miss in saturday as it was against Portugal!Coleman knows he's going after this campaign and just like hughes did doesn't want to drop his regular starters even if they're not playing regularly at club level or out of form! Personally I disagree that he was a huge loss and I think we coped well without him. Their goal could well have happened if Davies was on the field. The point where the goal could have been defended was from Taylor allowing the ball to come in, but Mitrovic's movement in the box and rise for the header could only have been prevented by a world class centre back which James Chester isn't. Aside from that, I don't remember them having any clear cut chances. I thought Ash was absolutely superb again. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Nov 14, 2016 16:40:47 GMT
Defensively we were solid enough with Taylor stepping up and performing admirably overall. If we defend like that in Dublin, we'll be fine. Their goal was well taken but massively unfortunate from our point of view.
As for Dummett, he's only going to be injury cover under Coleman. Maybe he could have come on for Taylor toward the end of the game but I don't blame Coleman for not disrupting the back four.
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Post by vandenhauwe on Nov 14, 2016 17:20:54 GMT
Ben davies being injured was a huge miss in saturday as it was against Portugal!Coleman knows he's going after this campaign and just like hughes did doesn't want to drop his regular starters even if they're not playing regularly at club level or out of form! Personally I disagree that he was a huge loss and I think we coped well without him. Their goal could well have happened if Davies was on the field. The point where the goal could have been defended was from Taylor allowing the ball to come in, but Mitrovic's movement in the box and rise for the header could only have been prevented by a world class centre back which James Chester isn't. Aside from that, I don't remember them having any clear cut chances. I thought Ash was absolutely superb again. Taylor cleared off the line first half Hennessey had to make a good stop from matic.... |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Nov 14, 2016 17:43:08 GMT
Personally I disagree that he was a huge loss and I think we coped well without him. Their goal could well have happened if Davies was on the field. The point where the goal could have been defended was from Taylor allowing the ball to come in, but Mitrovic's movement in the box and rise for the header could only have been prevented by a world class centre back which James Chester isn't. Aside from that, I don't remember them having any clear cut chances. I thought Ash was absolutely superb again. Taylor cleared off the line first half Hennessey had to make a good stop from matic.... Not a whole lot more than usual. |
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Post by hookd on Nov 14, 2016 20:20:06 GMT
To be fair was there not an argument to bring Dummett on in a centre left role when we were hanging versus Serbia for the last 20-30 mins of the match? Having another defender as insurance behind Taylor perhaps could have encouraged him to get tighter on his man ahead of that fateful cross? Serbia were clearly getting joy down the flanks and it was surely crying out for the extra insurance a defender like Dummett could have provided.
Also this patronising attitude as if Dummett should be grateful to get invited to sit on the bench. As if any footballers would be happy to always turn up and get 1 min of playing time in a friendly over a few years, especially when he sees players like Cotterill and Church getting more than a fair crack and a decidely average player like Gunter being a permanent fixture. Imagine how it felt when despite being ever present he was cut from the euro squad.
Its all very well being high and mighty but how can you expect him to feel part of things when he gets zero opportunity no matter the circumstance? I know we are strong at left back but things can change quickly in football/ For all we know Taylor or Davies could suffer a career ending injury and then we could be desperate for someone like Dummett to fill in. Lets just reflect that someone as useless as Macdonald has even had chances under Coleman. If I were Dummett I would feel embarrassed/a bit humiliated by my treatment to be honest. He has done incredibly well to force himself into the Newcastle team time and again under countless different managers - suggest to me he has a really strong mentality.
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Post by squatter1 on Nov 14, 2016 20:41:50 GMT
Sorry, but we are touch and go in a world cup qualifying campaign. The possible feelings of Paul Dummett are bottom of the priorities pile. There is no looking forward more than one game at a time here. We are on the brink of going out. Coleman couldn't care less if Dummett isn't prepared to wait, and rightly so.
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Post by quetzal on Nov 15, 2016 0:24:46 GMT
Sorry, but we are touch and go in a world cup qualifying campaign. The possible feelings of Paul Dummett are bottom of the priorities pile. There is no looking forward more than one game at a time here. We are on the brink of going out. Coleman couldn't care less if Dummett isn't prepared to wait, and rightly so. Agree 100% |
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Post by dlwilliams on Nov 15, 2016 1:03:16 GMT
Shame that Taylor didn't get close enough to his man to stop the ball coming in that resulted in their goal. He was also a whisker away from a terrible yellow card as well, bordering on red. Otherwise he played well - better than usual. Are you referring to the high foot on Tadić? That wasn't bordering on red, no way. |
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Post by welshiron on Nov 15, 2016 10:02:22 GMT
no there was another stupid lunge in the second half he got away with.
Personally, I felt that it was one of Taylor's better games for Wales but he was still at fault for the goal, both him and Gunter don't get tight enough to stop crosses coming in. Whether this is just poor defending or the way they are told to play I don't know, but for me a full backs main job is to stop crosses
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