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Post by erasedcitizen on May 26, 2017 12:25:59 GMT
I think Coleman managed this badly. Dummett should have played earlier in the qualifiers - but instead he played 4 at the back, which we never do. Coleman lost us Boaz Myhill too a few years ago, by blindly playing Hennessey irrespective of Myhill playing in the Premiership and Hennessey stuggling to get into a Championship team. I'd welcome Paul Dummett back once Coleman leaves. But I do agree that "You don't retire, your country retires you" and Dummmett should have just grinned and bared it. You are crazy. Boaz Myhill was absolute dogshit for us, cost us points. Croatia game being one of a few. Paul Dummett has the heart of a pea. We dont need player's like that anywhere near the team, poison. He wasn't born here and you've got to assume his pea was never in it. Also, he doesn't have kids to anyone saying he wants more family time... Absolutely this. Myhill is a Godawful example to use, as Hennessey has easily been the more consistent keeper over the years and now Myhill wouldn't even be in our top 4 keepers. Wasn't Myhill's last game the Serbia drubbing? That's not too surprising if so. |
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Post by wxmjames on May 26, 2017 12:32:36 GMT
The man has made his choice. If Wales isn't for him, then it's his loss. He had a massive opportunity this time, and he pushed it away. Clearly only cares about Newcastle... if he becomes a success we'll see what happens considering he hasn't played a competitive match.
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Post by conwy10 on May 26, 2017 12:57:58 GMT
I feel sorry for Dummett, he's sat on the bench all over Europe, he's got to be one of the few who haven't had a run in the Wales team based purely on the fact he's played Premier League football. I'd have preferred a newspaper article saying he loves Wales but he's hurt he's never had an opportunity.
In terms of Myhill I remember playing Poland in Portugal and if I remember rightly he was beaten from 30 yards from a shot that was straight in the middle of his goal going over his head, I've always had more faith in Hennessy.
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Post by gwernybwch on May 26, 2017 13:37:28 GMT
If he turns up and never gets on the pitch eventually he is going to realise he is wasting his time and if he has children he could be spending it with them instead of twiddling his thumbs on a wooden bench when he isn't playing league football. More time with his children?! He's a footballer ffs, his normal day finishes before 1 o'clock! It should be an honour to come and sit on the bench for Wales - I know 99% of all posters on here would sit on the bench for Wales for 50 years if it meant a chance of a game. Blimey, are you Paul Dummett by any chance? Who's the 1% of posters that wouldn't sit on the bench for Wales? C'mon name and shame! |
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Post by richierich333 on May 26, 2017 14:03:22 GMT
If he turns up and never gets on the pitch eventually he is going to realise he is wasting his time and if he has children he could be spending it with them instead of twiddling his thumbs on a wooden bench when he isn't playing league football. With that attitude I'm guessing once Wales's form drops off again you won't bother turning up to games anymore??? If Dummett hasn't got the hunger to fight for his place then his loss not ours. How on earth did you draw a comparison between Dummett and my loyalty to attending games? It's not his loss at all he hasn't lost anything seeing as he didn't have a fair crack. |
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Post by richierich333 on May 26, 2017 14:08:11 GMT
If he turns up and never gets on the pitch eventually he is going to realise he is wasting his time and if he has children he could be spending it with them instead of twiddling his thumbs on a wooden bench when he isn't playing league football. More time with his children?! He's a footballer ffs, his normal day finishes before 1 o'clock! It should be an honour to come and sit on the bench for Wales - I know 99% of all posters on here would sit on the bench for Wales for 50 years if it meant a chance of a game. Blimey, are you Paul Dummett by any chance? Yes of course I have to be him because i don't agree with what your saying, ridiculous. What chance of a game did Dummett have? He was consistently left out time and time again. How long was he prepared to wait when players in front of him clearly weren't pulling their weight? |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2017 15:43:49 GMT
Not really welsh obviously
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 26, 2017 16:30:55 GMT
More time with his children?! He's a footballer ffs, his normal day finishes before 1 o'clock! It should be an honour to come and sit on the bench for Wales - I know 99% of all posters on here would sit on the bench for Wales for 50 years if it meant a chance of a game. Blimey, are you Paul Dummett by any chance? Who's the 1% of posters that wouldn't sit on the bench for Wales? C'mon name and shame! has to be one  |
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Post by 1gwaunview on May 26, 2017 16:44:38 GMT
How many times has Owain Fon Williams been on the bench and not played? Hasn't thrown his guitar out of the pram.
Perhaps it's because he's Welsh through and through and honoured just to be in the squad.
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Post by superunknown on May 26, 2017 18:27:33 GMT
Who's the 1% of posters that wouldn't sit on the bench for Wales? C'mon name and shame! has to be one is 50-50, I reckon he secretly supports Wales tbh  |
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Post by wirralwelsh on May 26, 2017 18:39:12 GMT
I think Coleman managed this badly. Dummett should have played earlier in the qualifiers - but instead he played 4 at the back, which we never do. Coleman lost us Boaz Myhill too a few years ago, by blindly playing Hennessey irrespective of Myhill playing in the Premiership and Hennessey stuggling to get into a Championship team. I'd welcome Paul Dummett back once Coleman leaves. But I do agree that "You don't retire, your country retires you" and Dummmett should have just grinned and bared it. Yep we'd have definitely won the Euros with the leaden arsed Myhill between the sticks wouldn't we  Boaz had to be cajoled in to playing for us in the first place and let us down repeatedly when he was chosen, I will never understand the love for this guy by some people on here, it baffles me and defies all reason. Dummett I don't rate a whole lot either. I doubt very much he sees himself as welsh, just saw it as an easy route in to international football and having seen its not as easy to get picked as he'd imagined he's decided to cut his losses..... until a boss comes in who fancies him more anyway. |
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Post by helipad138 on May 26, 2017 20:24:00 GMT
auf wiedersehen, pet.
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Post by zenith on May 26, 2017 21:08:16 GMT
"Dummett... has not closed the door on his international career and hopes to represent the Dragons again in the future," read the statement.
"The left-back won't be involved in next month's World Cup qualifier in Serbia... but has not retired from international football altogether.
"After a gruelling campaign with the Magpies, in which he played through the pain barrier on several occasions, 25-year-old Dummett is keen to recharge his batteries and spend time with his family and friends in order to ensure he is at peak form and fitness for his hometown team's return to the Premier League.
"He has been supported in his decision by Newcastle boss Rafa Benítez."
Dummett, who is yet to play in a competitive international, has won two caps, both in friendly matches against the Netherlands.
"He doesn't want to play international football, which is a disappointment from our point of view," Wales manager Chris Coleman said on Thursday after announcing his squad to face Serbia.
"But he's made that decision, and we have to abide by that."
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Two different tones there
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Post by wirralwelsh on May 26, 2017 21:09:57 GMT
More time with his children?! He's a footballer ffs, his normal day finishes before 1 o'clock! It should be an honour to come and sit on the bench for Wales - I know 99% of all posters on here would sit on the bench for Wales for 50 years if it meant a chance of a game. Blimey, are you Paul Dummett by any chance? Who's the 1% of posters that wouldn't sit on the bench for Wales? C'mon name and shame! Imagine the shame if Simon Church comes off the subs bench ahead of you though  |
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Post by vandenhauwe on May 26, 2017 22:15:01 GMT
Two words F**K HIM either he wants to play for cymru or he doesn't!!!!sick of hearing "he should be in ahead of this person or that person" he plays for newcastle utd not real or barca or bayern he plays for a team that will constantly go up and down to and from the prem!!who the hell does he think he is?!hes no maldini if he doesn't want to play for wales fine sod off he's a poor mans neil taylor at best!!!!
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Post by alarch on May 26, 2017 23:00:00 GMT
This does sound rather reminiscent of the spat between Coleman and Collins. And the common denominator is... Coleman has a lot of qualities, but from time to time he shows a pugnacious, undiplomatic side to his character. That doesn't exonerate Dummett, but one of the skills of a manager is to keep disaffected players, who aren't getting game time, on board. He clearly hasn't managed that with Dummett.
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Post by erasedcitizen on May 26, 2017 23:28:58 GMT
This does sound rather reminiscent of the spat between Coleman and Collins. And the common denominator is... Coleman has a lot of qualities, but from time to time he shows a pugnacious, undiplomatic side to his character. That doesn't exonerate Dummett, but one of the skills of a manager is to keep disaffected players, who aren't getting game time, on board. He clearly hasn't managed that with Dummett. I'm not overly interested in fringe players who's hearts aren't in the right place. We need a squad full of players who are proud to wear the shirt; half arsers can do one. |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 27, 2017 5:36:57 GMT
This does sound rather reminiscent of the spat between Coleman and Collins. And the common denominator is... Coleman has a lot of qualities, but from time to time he shows a pugnacious, undiplomatic side to his character. That doesn't exonerate Dummett, but one of the skills of a manager is to keep disaffected players, who aren't getting game time, on board. He clearly hasn't managed that with Dummett. Happens to the best of Managers, Fergie and Stam, Mourinho with a host of players.... not one Manager can please all but HE IS the Mamager and Dummett has shown what kind of character he is by not phoning him personally. It appears if he's not first choice he doesn't want to be there. So much for a team effort and quits because it gets too tough for him in a squad where you could argue in Taylor's abscence he would be first choice. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 27, 2017 6:27:25 GMT
There seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether Dummett has quit international football or has just made himself unavailable for this game and the training camp.
Not sure how this happened but there must have been something to make the Welsh FA think it was something more than a short term recovery from injury,people withdraw from individual games all the time but no-one presumes that they have retired.
You know what would have prevented this confusion? Dummett ringing Coleman personally rather than a statement from his agent.
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Post by iot on May 27, 2017 7:41:11 GMT
This does sound rather reminiscent of the spat between Coleman and Collins. And the common denominator is... Coleman has a lot of qualities, but from time to time he shows a pugnacious, undiplomatic side to his character. That doesn't exonerate Dummett, but one of the skills of a manager is to keep disaffected players, who aren't getting game time, on board. He clearly hasn't managed that with Dummett. Happens to the best of Managers, Fergie and Stam, Mourinho with a host of players.... not one Manager can please all but HE IS the Mamager and Dummett has shown what kind of character he is by not phoning him personally. It appears if he's not first choice he doesn't want to be there. So much for a team effort and quits because it gets too tough for him in a squad where you could argue in Taylor's abscence he would be first choice. Spot on. There's far too much excusing of Dummett here. This is at least the third time he's pulled out of a Welsh squad, for a crucial game, because of minor fitness issues and to focus on Newcastle. Our whole success has been built on the commitment and togetherness of the squad, Dummett represents the complete opposite of that. I don't blame him, to me it seems obvious that he's a Newcastle boy through and through and that connection is what motivates him. He might not even feel particularly Welsh and might have used Wales just to play int football. |
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Post by iot on May 27, 2017 7:49:43 GMT
There's too much speculation and too many assumptions in this thread. We can only guess at Dummett's motivations, feelings and loyalties. I think there are a few things we can say with some certainty. 1. He's a decent player and is a loss in terms of squad depth. He's played fairly consistently at a decent level and is currently a better option than others who have 'potential' only. 2. He hasn't been given the game time that his ability merits. Even when injuries have struck in his position he has been overlooked. Even when Taylor has been in poor form Dummett hasn't had a look in. 3. The lack of friendlies continues to be a major hindrance in developing young and fringe players. Would he have quit if he had played a few friendlies and had a chance to play his way into the competitive side? 4. Coleman has said he is disappointed to lose him. This doesn't suggest that he had a poor attitude in training or around the squad. We need a strong and deep squad and part of that is keeping fringe player involved and happy. It is even more important for Wales than for a club side, and it is a very important management skill. I think we need to be fairly balanced here and recognise that this situation is not simply down to a petulant player, but largely down to a flaw in the management team's approach (which is usually fairly good). I fear we may lose others if we don't start using friendlies properly. Hmmm, you've been quite selective in the certainties chosen there to represent one view. Another couple of certainies we know: 1. He's pulled out of at least three squads because of minor fitness issues, while openly admitting he was fit to play for his club. 2. Players and everyone involved with the setup right through the youthsides and seniors, identify the togetherness and commitment of players as the critical factor for our success. This club-like culture and bond between the players hasn't happened by chance, it's been well planned with that sort of culture developed over several years. When you have a few players who's hearts are not in it, it could spoil that. Let us not forget the total lack of commitment shown by Welsh squads and players in the past where we eould at times get a dozen pull-outs for each squad. We must not be complacent in case we fall back to those dark days. |
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Post by zenith on May 27, 2017 8:01:58 GMT
More time with his children?! He's a footballer ffs, his normal day finishes before 1 o'clock! It should be an honour to come and sit on the bench for Wales - I know 99% of all posters on here would sit on the bench for Wales for 50 years if it meant a chance of a game. Blimey, are you Paul Dummett by any chance? Yes of course I have to be him because i don't agree with what your saying, ridiculous. What chance of a game did Dummett have? He was consistently left out time and time again. How long was he prepared to wait when players in front of him clearly weren't pulling their weight? You're completely missing the point here. When did players stop pulling their weight, in your opinion? |
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Post by rob on May 27, 2017 9:57:06 GMT
The man has made his choice. If Wales isn't for him, then it's his loss. He had a massive opportunity this time, and he pushed it away. Clearly only cares about Newcastle... if he becomes a success we'll see what happens considering he hasn't played a competitive match. In all honesty do not think he had a chance of starting-Coleman would have chosen Gunter as CB with Jazz RB,Ben LB.Dummett knew would not start with Coleman in charge-cue yesterday's events.Not condoning Dummett behaviour but clearly the lack of friendlies is making some players annoyance/lack of belonging a bigger problem than it should be. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 27, 2017 10:27:35 GMT
More time with his children?! He's a footballer ffs, his normal day finishes before 1 o'clock! It should be an honour to come and sit on the bench for Wales - I know 99% of all posters on here would sit on the bench for Wales for 50 years if it meant a chance of a game. Blimey, are you Paul Dummett by any chance? Yes of course I have to be him because i don't agree with what your saying, ridiculous. What chance of a game did Dummett have? He was consistently left out time and time again. How long was he prepared to wait when players in front of him clearly weren't pulling their weight? What makes you say that Taylor and all weren't pulling their weight? Whatever anyone thinks of Taylor ability wise as a player,I don't think many think that he wasn't pulling his weight |
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Post by 1gwaunview on May 27, 2017 10:34:54 GMT
Concentrating on getting fit for Newcastle next season!
He'll be lucky to get in the matchday squad. I'm sure Benitez will be busy in the transfer market.
Lack of friendlies could be an issue, but he's pulled out before as previously mentioned. At the end of the day he's no world beater, it was his choice and we need everyone pulling together. TOGETHER STRONGER!
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Post by hookd on May 27, 2017 11:09:25 GMT
Has been with Wales for a few years and is of a decent standard and has played regularly for a big team both in the premiership and as a table topping championship club. He is a fighter - he has had significant criticism from fans for felt he was not good enough for Newcastle but has always kept or regained his place.
He gets about 10 mins of game time from 2 sub appearances versus Holland over a few years, one of which was in injury time!
For goodness sake he has probably played less than Owain Fon Williams
Sees Coleman's favourites with little talent get extended runs, such as Church and youngsters such as George Williams (who are at club U23 level now). Sees Gunter picked no matter what - sure Gunter comes across as passionate and always turns up for Wales but he has ALWAYS BEEN PICKED no matter what - how on earth can you compare them??? I think we would all agree Ginter is pretty average and offers very little going forward. I know he plays on the other side of defence but is he really much better than Dummett (who can also score goals)? Dummett is also much better at fulling in at centre half if needed than Gunter.
Coleman has gone out of his way to not pick him even when there have been injuries. Jazz Richards looks like he is ahead of Dummett too. I think Declan John has even had more game time than him.
Coleman is too loyal which may have worked to some extent but is also a very negative thing if it goes on too long. You simply have to pick players that are the best and that are the best choice for their position/for the team from a mainly footballing perspective - not just because they make Bale giggle!
Have you ever been treated unfairly at work? Seen others get promotions ahead of you? Never got much of an opportunity/shown much faith? At the margins - being not Welsh born and bread may have had a minor influence on things in terms of being prepared to tolerate being overlooked but I don't know one Welsh born and bread player that has been treated like Dummett do you (I am talking about 'decentish players not Owen!)?
I have seen this coming with Dummett over the last 2 years. For whatever reason Dummett has had ZERO opportunity to show what he can do. Its all very well looking past decent players when you are winning/things are going well. However, as a small country we are just one or two injuries in a position to being left extremely exposed. Can you imagine saying goodbye to your wife and kids for a few days when Wales calls and just sitting on the bench with EVERYONE played ahead of you if you are a decent player? Footballers have egos and most are driven people to get into the premiership/championship - its all very well us saying we'd never, ever do that. We do not have the talent or self believe in our footballing ability guys like Dummett have and do not have the psychology of dealing with feeling excluded from a team/group in almost every situation. For whatever reason, he has been managed/treated poorly be Coleman.
I love Wales and have watched just about every football and rugby international since I was 14 (I am 45 now). I just wanted to keep it real. Please lets make sure no idiots send an unkind remark to Paul's twitter or anything like that. I will fully support him should he return to the fold.
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Post by cymroircarn on May 27, 2017 11:41:16 GMT
Has been with Wales for a few years and is of a decent standard and has played regularly for a big team both in the premiership and as a table topping championship club. He is a fighter - he has had significant criticism from fans for felt he was not good enough for Newcastle but has always kept or regained his place. He gets about 10 mins of game time from 2 sub appearances versus Holland over a few years, one of which was in injury time! For goodness sake he has probably played less than Owain Fon Williams - no he has 2 appearances compared to Fon Williams 1. Sees Coleman's favourites with little talent get extended runs, such as Church and youngsters such as George Williams (who are at club U23 level now). Sees Gunter picked no matter what - sure Gunter comes across as passionate and always turns up for Wales but he has ALWAYS BEEN PICKED no matter what - how on earth can you compare them??? I think we would all agree Ginter is pretty average and offers very little going forward. I know he plays on the other side of defence but is he really much better than Dummett (who can also score goals)? Dummett is also much better at fulling in at centre half if needed than Gunter. - can't really compare Church and Williams as they don't play the same position as Dummett. Whilst they may be limited with quality they do turn up for Wales and don't pull out of every other squad. Coleman has gone out of his way to not pick him even when there have been injuries. Jazz Richards looks like he is ahead of Dummett too. I think Declan John has even had more game time than him. - correct and Jazz's performances for Wales justify that Coleman is too loyal which may have worked to some extent but is also a very negative thing if it goes on too long. You simply have to pick players that are the best and that are the best choice for their position/for the team from a mainly footballing perspective - not just because they make Bale giggle!- yes Coleman is too loyal, but Dummett has proved he is unreliable by the amount of squads he has pulled out of. Now he has his big opportunity to replace Taylor in the team he pulls out again and gets his agent to call Coleman and makes himself unavailable at the age of 25. Is this the kind of character we want in our squadwho throws his toys out of the pram if he does not get his own way? Have you ever been treated unfairly at work? Seen others get promotions ahead of you? Never got much of an opportunity/shown much faith? At the margins - being not Welsh born and bread may have had a minor influence on things in terms of being prepared to tolerate being overlooked but I don't know one Welsh born and bread player that has been treated like Dummett do you (I am talking about 'decentish players not Owen!)? - playing for Wales is not work, it's an honour. M I have seen this coming with Dummett over the last 2 years. For whatever reason Dummett has had ZERO opportunity to show what he can do. Its all very well looking past decent players when you are winning/things are going well. However, as a small country we are just one or two injuries in a position to being left extremely exposed. Can you imagine saying goodbye to your wife and kids for a few days when Wales calls and just sitting on the bench with EVERYONE played ahead of you if you are a decent player? Footballers have egos and most are driven people to get into the premiership/championship - its all very well us saying we'd never, ever do that. We do not have the talent or self believe in our footballing ability guys like Dummett have and do not have the psychology of dealing with feeling excluded from a team/group in almost every situation. For whatever reason, he has been managed/treated poorly be Coleman. - as reasons covered above he has already proved he is unreliable by the number of squads he has pulled out of and pulling out of this one again shows the type of person he is - the type we can do without. I love Wales and have watched just about every football and rugby international since I was 14 (I am 45 now). I just wanted to keep it real. Please lets make sure no idiots send an unkind remark to Paul's twitter or anything like that. I will fully support him should he return to the fold. |
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Post by marsvolta on May 27, 2017 13:07:43 GMT
Has been with Wales for a few years and is of a decent standard and has played regularly for a big team both in the premiership and as a table topping championship club. He is a fighter - he has had significant criticism from fans for felt he was not good enough for Newcastle but has always kept or regained his place. He gets about 10 mins of game time from 2 sub appearances versus Holland over a few years, one of which was in injury time! For goodness sake he has probably played less than Owain Fon Williams Sees Coleman's favourites with little talent get extended runs, such as Church and youngsters such as George Williams (who are at club U23 level now). Sees Gunter picked no matter what - sure Gunter comes across as passionate and always turns up for Wales but he has ALWAYS BEEN PICKED no matter what - how on earth can you compare them??? I think we would all agree Ginter is pretty average and offers very little going forward. I know he plays on the other side of defence but is he really much better than Dummett (who can also score goals)? Dummett is also much better at fulling in at centre half if needed than Gunter. Coleman has gone out of his way to not pick him even when there have been injuries. Jazz Richards looks like he is ahead of Dummett too. I think Declan John has even had more game time than him. Coleman is too loyal which may have worked to some extent but is also a very negative thing if it goes on too long. You simply have to pick players that are the best and that are the best choice for their position/for the team from a mainly footballing perspective - not just because they make Bale giggle! Have you ever been treated unfairly at work? Seen others get promotions ahead of you? Never got much of an opportunity/shown much faith? At the margins - being not Welsh born and bread may have had a minor influence on things in terms of being prepared to tolerate being overlooked but I don't know one Welsh born and bread player that has been treated like Dummett do you (I am talking about 'decentish players not Owen!)? I have seen this coming with Dummett over the last 2 years. For whatever reason Dummett has had ZERO opportunity to show what he can do. Its all very well looking past decent players when you are winning/things are going well. However, as a small country we are just one or two injuries in a position to being left extremely exposed. Can you imagine saying goodbye to your wife and kids for a few days when Wales calls and just sitting on the bench with EVERYONE played ahead of you if you are a decent player? Footballers have egos and most are driven people to get into the premiership/championship - its all very well us saying we'd never, ever do that. We do not have the talent or self believe in our footballing ability guys like Dummett have and do not have the psychology of dealing with feeling excluded from a team/group in almost every situation. For whatever reason, he has been managed/treated poorly be Coleman. I love Wales and have watched just about every football and rugby international since I was 14 (I am 45 now). I just wanted to keep it real. Please lets make sure no idiots send an unkind remark to Paul's twitter or anything like that. I will fully support him should he return to the fold. Church and Williams are forwards |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 13:55:11 GMT
If frustration is the motivating factor, then surely now would be the moment that Dummett would want to write that wrong given Taylor is suspended for the next games. Instead Dummett has opted to drop out at a time when Wales need him the most.
This has been coming for a long time, Dummett is one of those players who have used Wales for promoting their club profile and themselves as an asset. He consistently didn't turn up for u21 internationals either. Dummett probably doesn't fancy Wales's chances of qualifying so he probably thinking the next tournament Wales could qualify for would be in three years time. He'll be 28 at the start of that season, so his club career and earnings will be settled by then.
If Coleman has made any mistakes, then it's probably in accommodating non committal players like this too much. Not by calling them up all the time to whisper sweet nothings and beg them to play for Wales. But in truth, there's no blame to be laid at Cookie's door at all. Look at how brilliantly he turned around the Collins situation. And Collins has been a super servant since, even though he's only had a bit part to play. You can't 100% know players like Dummett leave you in the lurch until they do. In Dummett's case, at the most crucial time possible.
Not a guy you want with you in the trenches.
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Post by zenith on May 27, 2017 15:04:42 GMT
If frustration is the motivating factor, then surely now would be the moment that Dummett would want to write that wrong given Taylor is suspended for the next games. Instead Dummett has opted to drop out at a time when Wales need him the most. This has been coming for a long time, Dummett is one of those players who have used Wales for promoting their club profile and themselves as an asset. He consistently didn't turn up for u21 internationals either. Dummett probably doesn't fancy Wales's chances of qualifying so he probably thinking the next tournament Wales could qualify for would be in three years time. He'll be 28 at the start of that season, so his club career and earnings will be settled by then. If Coleman has made any mistakes, then it's probably in accommodating non committal players like this too much. Not by calling them up all the time to whisper sweet nothings and beg them to play for Wales. But in truth, there's no blame to be laid at Cookie's door at all. Look at how brilliantly he turned around the Collins situation. And Collins has been a super servant since, even though he's only had a bit part to play. You can't 100% know players like Dummett leave you in the lurch until they do. In Dummett's case, at the most crucial time possible. Not a guy you want with you in the trenches. Spot on here |
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