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Post by conwy10 on Dec 10, 2022 22:57:17 GMT
Maroc more than holding their own again at the moment. Given that Osian was technical director there until July 21, can much/any of their current success be attributed to his influence? Not seen him mentioned in that regard? Did he develop a program based around defending for your life? If he did then he should be credited with the inspiration. It got us through a few matches |
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Post by bale-droed on Dec 11, 2022 2:55:03 GMT
It’s too much of a coincidence that he has not influenced them. Look at the “together stronger” mentality of their diaspora within the squad. We need Osian to replace page.
Also Toshfan will probably point out Toshack managed Casablanca 10 years ago so he also deserves credit for Morocco’s semi final
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Post by morg on Dec 11, 2022 5:50:54 GMT
www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/sport/africa/57918045.ampThere do seem to be comparisons between Maroc 22 and Cymru 16 in terms of formation, spirit, tactics etc. They continue to be underestimated but they've probably beaten more top tier countries in this tournament than England have (in finals on foreign soil) since 66! Think Osian is a top level "resource" that we happen to have stumbled upon. Given that he appears to be a passionate Welshman seems crazy that he's not involved. Would love to see him as Technical director with oversight for all levels of Welsh football and in a perfect world strong links with the Swansea and Cardiff academies. He could also work with possibly ex players eg Robinson, Bellamy as team coaches managers etc. We're missing a trick.
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Dec 11, 2022 21:25:27 GMT
I agree - please come back, Osh, to help us qualify for Euro 2024 - please, FAW, find a way for him to assist in some shape or form.
I also think that ideal TV pundits for the forthcoming Morocco -v- France WC S/F would be him and Patrick Vieira. Both know more about those respective countries' footballers than Shearer, Wright, Ferdinand, Keane & co put together!
Osian's time in Morocco must have IMO played at least some part in contributing towards their current success.
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Post by insertname on Dec 11, 2022 21:33:17 GMT
Did he develop a program based around defending for your life? If he did then he should be credited with the inspiration. It got us through a few matches True enough but we were still more adventurous with Osian and prime Bale and Ramsey than what I've seen from Morocco. Still although I haven't really enjoyed their games as a spectacle this world cup (I doubt they care about that in the same way I'm not bothered what anyone thinks of how enjoyable a Wales match has been) fair play to Osian if he has had something to do with their success. |
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Post by talyfan on Dec 11, 2022 22:56:58 GMT
To be fair I think Osh is a top coach and would love to see him involved in some capacity in the future.
However, he was only at Morocco for two years. With a good chunk of that disrupted by COVID. I don't think there be any sort of tangible signs of any of his work he's done immediately for this world cup squad.
Think there was greater scale impacts like implementing a coach specific course for domestic Moroccan league coaches which you would see evidence of that later on though, improving their coach education, Talent ID etc.
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Post by conwy10 on Dec 12, 2022 1:27:35 GMT
To be fair I've played in a few matches where we were completely outgunned and we knew it. Every opportunity we can sandbag the game, make it a complete non event, must be horrible to see and got through it with a 1-0 win. Always sweet to 💩🏠 a win every now and again.
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Post by insertname on Dec 12, 2022 12:05:56 GMT
Yeah I don’t blame teams for taking that approach and it’s often the only way weaker teams can compete. I just wonder if dull attritional football should be represented by 50% of the World Cup finalists. Maybe there should be a tipping point where at a certain point the emphasis is put back on scoring goals. 90 minutes + extra time + penalties rewards organised teams for playing for penalties from the first minute. They know they just have to hold out 120 minutes for a much more level playing field at knocking the other team out. I’m not sure, specifically at World Cup level, that’s the best thing for the sport as a spectacle. But as said above, there are obviously people who do enjoy a game like Morocco v Spain
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 12, 2022 18:01:39 GMT
The fact that organisation and tactics can prevent higher quality teams being guaranteed a win is part of why I love football. Croatia, Morocco, Wales, Iceland, we can't beat the top teams by playing them at their game. But I love seeing us dig in and get results against them
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Post by ddirpytnop on Dec 12, 2022 19:17:54 GMT
Err....I'd suggest that the reason that Croatia have done well is not because their organisation and tactics prevent 'higher quality teams' winning but because Croatia have long had teams packed with high quality players, which gives them a good chance of winning games against any side. Croatia should serve as an inspiration to every small nation but let's not pretend that their success is based on hard work and organisation alone.
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Post by saturn9 on Dec 12, 2022 21:22:29 GMT
Very true. Davor Suker, Boksic, Boban from Euro 96 were some squad.
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Post by jimexotic on Dec 12, 2022 21:51:30 GMT
The Croatia Euro 96 and World Cup 98 sides/squads were full of very talented footballers, many World Class or thereabouts.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 13, 2022 11:26:16 GMT
They have more quality than most teams at the tournament yes, but not compared to the powerhouse nations. To make up the deficit in talent they have been well-organised and hard working. They didn't knock out Brazil by going toe-to-toe with them, nor should they have
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 13, 2022 12:11:26 GMT
Croatia making the semis again brings up that old adage about "what if Yugoslavia were still a thing?". They could be fielding something like this...
Oblak
Juranovic-Savic-Gvardiol-Kostic
Brozovic-Kovacic
Tadic-Modric-Olmo
Mitrovic
Subs: Dzeko, Milinkovic-Savic, Sesko, Xhaka, Shaqiri, Livakovic, Sosa, Perisic, Elmas, Marusic, Junuzovic, Vlahovic, Rrahmani
A team like that would arguably be favourites to win it from here on out!
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Post by insertname on Dec 13, 2022 12:22:27 GMT
Err....I'd suggest that the reason that Croatia have done well is not because their organisation and tactics prevent 'higher quality teams' winning but because Croatia have long had teams packed with high quality players, which gives them a good chance of winning games against any side. Croatia should serve as an inspiration to every small nation but let's not pretend that their success is based on hard work and organisation alone. Well, there’s a stat that they’ve only won 1 game of their last nine at a World Cup or something like that, yet that has straddled a run which has seen them reach a semi final and a final which very much suggests that to a large extent their success is based on being difficult to beat over 120 minutes, rather than them actually having the quality to win games outright. |
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Post by marsvolta on Dec 13, 2022 12:56:03 GMT
The Croatia Euro 96 and World Cup 98 sides/squads were full of very talented footballers, many World Class or thereabouts. Croatia making the semis again brings up that old adage about "what if Yugoslavia were still a thing?". They could be fielding something like this... Oblak
Juranovic-Savic-Gvardiol-Kostic
Brozovic-Kovacic
Tadic-Modric-Olmo
MitrovicSubs: Dzeko, Milinkovic-Savic, Sesko, Xhaka, Shaqiri, Livakovic, Sosa, Perisic, Elmas, Marusic, Junuzovic, Vlahovic, RrahmaniA team like that would arguably be favourites to win it from here on out! That probably winds Croatian fans up as much as the team GB argument with us, haha. |
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Post by hooky on Dec 13, 2022 13:45:44 GMT
The reason Yugoslavia never won anything owed much to the fact that it was a false state and each country within it hated each other! We unfortunately saw this with the horrific war which ensued between the states within it.
Croatia
Serbia
Bosnia
Montenegro
Macedonia
Kosovo
Slovenia
It apparently had a population of 24 million before it broke up!
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 13, 2022 14:26:33 GMT
Croatia making the semis again brings up that old adage about "what if Yugoslavia were still a thing?". They could be fielding something like this... Oblak
Juranovic-Savic-Gvardiol-Kostic
Brozovic-Kovacic
Tadic-Modric-Olmo
MitrovicSubs: Dzeko, Milinkovic-Savic, Sesko, Xhaka, Shaqiri, Livakovic, Sosa, Perisic, Elmas, Marusic, Junuzovic, Vlahovic, RrahmaniA team like that would arguably be favourites to win it from here on out! That probably winds Croatian fans up as much as the team GB argument with us, haha. Oh I'm sure and it's not something I'm advocating for. Just an interesting thought experiment |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Dec 13, 2022 14:41:15 GMT
The reason Yugoslavia never won anything owed much to the fact that it was a false state and each country within it hated each other! We unfortunately saw this with the horrific war which ensued between the states within it. Croatia Serbia Bosnia Montenegro Macedonia Kosovo Slovenia It apparently had a population of 24 million before it broke up! It wasn't a false state, but yes by the 90s it was completely dysfunctional as a state and independence was inevitable |
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Post by aberbeeg on Dec 13, 2022 15:23:20 GMT
Interesting how some have really struggled yet others have seemed to have done better.
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Post by CrackityJones on Dec 14, 2022 7:53:26 GMT
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Post by morg on Mar 17, 2023 8:39:50 GMT
Out of work then. Has left Palace with Viera. Presumably will fetch up at Viera's next project.
Pob lwc!
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 17, 2023 8:40:54 GMT
A Wales return in the future (would not count it out), but not this month
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Post by morg on Mar 17, 2023 9:05:29 GMT
Really? Thought we'd filled the relevant role - assistant manager etc... Or are we talking more technical director?
Fingers crossed. Would be fantastic.
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Post by surge on Mar 17, 2023 9:23:09 GMT
Palace have played 27 games this season but only 4 results have been unexpected: a draw away in Leicester, a defeat against bogey team away in Everton, a defeat by three goals at home against Fulham when Palace had two players sent off and an away defeat at Aston Villa.
Bad luck in scheduling, after the international break they only play 2 sides in current top half, and poor return on money spent on strikers is reason for struggles this year. Was Viera and his coaching staff in charge of either of these two items?
Patrick Viera now has never managed 100 games at the same club. His record suggests strong first season and struggles second season but, again, context of this year at Palace makes that a very harsh conclusion.
From a Cymru/Wales perspective, it would have been quite the feather in our caps for have FAW trained Arteta, Viera and Liverpool Pep continue to impress. Bum.
From an Osian Roberts perspective, it's never nice losing a job. Hope next steps are happier for him.
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Post by dragonsoccer on Mar 17, 2023 9:55:49 GMT
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Post by dai on Mar 17, 2023 10:10:22 GMT
Oh well, that's one of my guesses for the next backroom staff wrong!
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Post by njdragon on Mar 17, 2023 10:58:31 GMT
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Post by dai on Mar 17, 2023 12:13:59 GMT
I understand Bale isn't in the running....... So I'm thinking someone Page knows or who has played with - Bellamy, Ashley, Earnshaw (friend mentioned he is a good coach apparently. |
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Post by talyfan on Mar 17, 2023 12:33:09 GMT
My bet is Ashley since he's been doing some coaching recently within the FAW setup
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