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Post by njdragon on Mar 17, 2023 12:33:24 GMT
I understand Bale isn't in the running....... So I'm thinking someone Page knows or who has played with - Bellamy, Ashley, Earnshaw (friend mentioned he is a good coach apparently. Any of those players would be a good shout! I remember years ago when it was jobs for the boys and they brought in hartson and saunders who were useless but players the team can relate too is definitely a good shout. Ash would be my preferred choice - i'd be worried bellamy may upset the team mentality. |
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Post by dai on Mar 17, 2023 12:41:08 GMT
Yeah I'm not too sure about Bellamy given what I've heard. On one side I think he'd be a great asset in the form of putting fire in players' bellies, and of course from an attacking point of view as that's an area we struggle, but then again, his personality traits could be a serious issue.
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Post by iot on Mar 17, 2023 12:57:55 GMT
Craig Bellamy would definitely carry a greater risk given his temperament, but he's currently assistant manager at arguably one of the best coached sides in the world, so his impact potential is also much higher than the others.
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Post by Belle Vue on Mar 17, 2023 13:21:40 GMT
Eric Young confirmed!
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Post by njdragon on Mar 17, 2023 13:26:05 GMT
**Eric Youngs headband confirmed |
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Post by welshrover on Mar 17, 2023 14:01:16 GMT
**Eric Youngs headband confirmed Is this the "exciting news" we were promised?? |
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Post by njdragon on Mar 17, 2023 14:22:09 GMT
**Eric Youngs headband confirmed Is this the "exciting news" we were promised?? i think he's an accountant somewhere and not involved in footy |
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 17, 2023 19:49:21 GMT
Osian needs to come in and sort the defence out, get us defending properly again.
I loved Eric Young as a kid!
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Post by surge on Mar 18, 2023 12:01:18 GMT
The "insider" story in The Athletic suggests Viera came close to sacking in February and one of the clubs issues was concerns regarding his coaching team.
One other article (source lost) suggests issues included players out of position and training ground dispute between two senior players seeing both dropped for one game before both returning the next. Apparently picking Schlupp over Will Hughes was another cause for concern!!
Appears that Osian etc. are being made scapegoats by the club.
Vincent Kompany has made the point that Palace were overachieving with points being picked up against opposition in top 6 places largely without Zaha.
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Post by jimexotic on Mar 18, 2023 13:24:52 GMT
Palace were in desperate need of transitioning from being Zaha and the other guys to a more functional and balanced side, this was the season in which they consolidated and then pushed on next season. There's no plan in place at Palace for the future it seems, when Hodgson left it was an absolute mess and they did invest some money in the team in Vieira's first season but Palace don't recruit like Brighton and these things take time. I think they're very much back to square one now and while they might stay up the same problems will occur next season and beyond.
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Post by jimexotic on Apr 9, 2023 16:21:14 GMT
Maybe he and Vieira weren't right for the job, I don't even rate Hodgson but it seems that all Palace needed was to be allowed to play with a bit of freedom.
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Post by rushy on Apr 10, 2023 9:31:39 GMT
Hodgson plays the most boring football yet somehow has conjured up two wins scoring seven goals, albeit against weak defences, so you have to question Viera's tactics, far too many coaches concentrate on not conceding goals, mentioning no names cough! Page cough !! cough !!
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Post by morg on Apr 10, 2023 10:14:19 GMT
To be fair since start of Feb Viera's Palace had played Man City, Arsenal, Brentford, Brighton (X2), Liverpool, Man U and Villa. They were pretty competitive in all apart from Arsenal.
Hodgson kicks of with Leicester and Leeds. Next up Southampton.
I don't think they'd have gone down. Fixated with Hodgson. Going to have to trust in someone else at some point! Maybe Roy will train up a youngster like Benitez or Allardyce for the job
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Post by surge on Apr 10, 2023 10:57:12 GMT
We'll never know whether Viera had planned to unleash Palace in this latter part of the season or, after achieving survival in horribly scheduled season, next year.
Hodgson in very different position where there is no downside for him really.
If I had to guess I would say that Viera raised Palace's ceiling of what is possible, helped get them through toughest part of the schedule but was probably too reluctant to let loose. I don't think Hodgson's Palace a couple of years ago would have created as many chances or scored as many goals as they have over past two games.
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Post by welshrover on Apr 10, 2023 13:27:09 GMT
Hodgson, Warnock there's life in the old dogs yet!
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Post by morg on Jul 11, 2023 18:34:40 GMT
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Post by marsvolta on Jul 11, 2023 22:06:00 GMT
I live Osian and he would be my choice but I love how the headline that he ‘would have brought Arteta and Henry with him’ becomes ‘Man City wouldn’t release Arteta and Henry would not commit in advance bit said to maybe call him if Osian got the job’ haha. |
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Post by rushy on Jul 12, 2023 8:16:04 GMT
Osian needs to ask himself why the FAW did not choose him, it's not about who he could possibly bring in with him.
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Post by gimli on Jul 12, 2023 10:14:01 GMT
Osian needs to ask himself why the FAW did not choose him, it's not about who he could possibly bring in with him. I think the reason they didn't choose him was because the whole interview process was a sham. The FAW had already made up their minds to give the job to Giggs before holding a single interview. Both Osian and Bellamy had better credentials than Giggs. |
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Post by njdragon on Jul 12, 2023 11:39:11 GMT
the FAW 100% made the right decision - we saw players retire and giggs brought through the next gen at the time.
We then qualified for 2 tournaments back to back raising he profile of our team even further than we did qualifying for france. Those are the facts.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 12, 2023 13:02:00 GMT
Osian needs to ask himself why the FAW did not choose him, it's not about who he could possibly bring in with him. I think the reason they didn't choose him was because the whole interview process was a sham. The FAW had already made up their minds to give the job to Giggs before holding a single interview. Both Osian and Bellamy had better credentials than Giggs. I'm pretty sure it was also quite widely reported that Bellamy interviewed better than Giggs did |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 12, 2023 13:06:39 GMT
the FAW 100% made the right decision - we saw players retire and giggs brought through the next gen at the time. We then qualified for 2 tournaments back to back raising he profile of our team even further than we did qualifying for france. Those are the facts. There's no guarantee that Roberts or Bellamy wouldn't have achieved the same, both are very highly regarded and we were dangerously close to not qualifying for Euro 2020 at one point. I doubt either would have kept the exact same players around, especially Bellamy, the team had clearly reached the end of the road and needed freshening up The FAW also wouldn't have ended up paying out vast sums to someone on gardening leave had they gone for Roberts or Bellamy Giggs was successful, but we'll never know if it was "100% the right decision" because we don't know how either of those would have gotten on |
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Post by njdragon on Jul 12, 2023 13:12:04 GMT
the FAW 100% made the right decision - we saw players retire and giggs brought through the next gen at the time. We then qualified for 2 tournaments back to back raising he profile of our team even further than we did qualifying for france. Those are the facts. There's no guarantee that Roberts or Bellamy wouldn't have achieved the same, both are very highly regarded and we were dangerously close to not qualifying for Euro 2020 at one point. I doubt either would have kept the exact same players around, especially Bellamy, the team had clearly reached the end of the road and needed freshening up The FAW also wouldn't have ended up paying out vast sums to someone on gardening leave had they gone for Roberts or Bellamy Giggs was successful, but we'll never know if it was "100% the right decision" because we don't know how either of those would have gotten on A lot of what if's there though... facts are we qualified for 2 successive tournaments. the money they made putting wales on the world stage more than made up for giggs gardening leave. Its a business at the end of the day. no youre right they equally could have been a complete failure. |
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Post by cadno on Jul 12, 2023 17:21:33 GMT
Giggs rushed players out too soon, he should’ve been more loyal and appreciated the class and experience of some of the lads - especially in defence.
We were embarrassed by Denmark, with an inexperienced 4/5 of Ward, Connor, Mepham, Rodon & Neco coming on at 40 mins.
Hennessey
Gunter Chester Williams Davies
That back 4 and keeper would never have let us be thumped 4-0.
The transition was made too quickly, with Giggs not appreciating our senior players, he got the balance wrong. That fucked us up moving forward, and now Page can’t get things going, he needs to look at the entire pool of players available and change things up like he said he would after the WC- but he won’t.
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Post by njdragon on Jul 13, 2023 11:47:34 GMT
Giggs rushed players out too soon, he should’ve been more loyal and appreciated the class and experience of some of the lads - especially in defence. We were embarrassed by Denmark, with an inexperienced 4/5 of Ward, Connor, Mepham, Rodon & Neco coming on at 40 mins. Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies That back 4 and keeper would never have let us be thumped 4-0. The transition was made too quickly, with Giggs not appreciating our senior players, he got the balance wrong. That fucked us up moving forward, and now Page can’t get things going, he needs to look at the entire pool of players available and change things up like he said he would after the WC- but he won’t. Rubbish... Connor roberts had played 50 games in the championship that season while gunter had played 36 in league 1 Henessey had 1 appearance that season while even ward had 4 and was MOTM against switzerland Mepham had been playing premier league for 2 seasons prior to that season Ashley williams had announced his football retirement in january so not sure why you would include him Davies played Neco had made 14 appearances for the premier league champions Rodon had played for swans and spurs that season |
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Post by cadno on Jul 13, 2023 21:31:40 GMT
Giggs rushed players out too soon, he should’ve been more loyal and appreciated the class and experience of some of the lads - especially in defence. We were embarrassed by Denmark, with an inexperienced 4/5 of Ward, Connor, Mepham, Rodon & Neco coming on at 40 mins. Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies That back 4 and keeper would never have let us be thumped 4-0. The transition was made too quickly, with Giggs not appreciating our senior players, he got the balance wrong. That fucked us up moving forward, and now Page can’t get things going, he needs to look at the entire pool of players available and change things up like he said he would after the WC- but he won’t. Rubbish... Connor roberts had played 50 games in the championship that season while gunter had played 36 in league 1 Henessey had 1 appearance that season while even ward had 4 and was MOTM against switzerland Mepham had been playing premier league for 2 seasons prior to that season Ashley williams had announced his football retirement in january so not sure why you would include him Davies played Neco had made 14 appearances for the premier league champions Rodon had played for swans and spurs that season Gunter had near 100 caps for Wales, top defender Fair enough Ward had a decent tournament Had he been respected and kept a part of the side then Ash wouldn’t have retired, he had much more to give. Neco wasn’t ready, he was out of his depth, but it was a good experience for him. Rodon was decent tbf That’s looking at it individually Collectively Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Had 100s of caps, years of experience together, and knew the game. Giggs did some things well but the transition overall was badly handled |
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Post by iot on Jul 14, 2023 7:48:49 GMT
Rubbish... Connor roberts had played 50 games in the championship that season while gunter had played 36 in league 1 Henessey had 1 appearance that season while even ward had 4 and was MOTM against switzerland Mepham had been playing premier league for 2 seasons prior to that season Ashley williams had announced his football retirement in january so not sure why you would include him Davies played Neco had made 14 appearances for the premier league champions Rodon had played for swans and spurs that season Gunter had near 100 caps for Wales, top defender Fair enough Ward had a decent tournament Had he been respected and kept a part of the side then Ash wouldn’t have retired, he had much more to give. Neco wasn’t ready, he was out of his depth, but it was a good experience for him. Rodon was decent tbf That’s looking at it individually Collectively Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Had 100s of caps, years of experience together, and knew the game. Giggs did some things well but the transition overall was badly handled Sorry Cadno, I just don't think the evidence is on your side here at all, particularly when looking at things with the benefit of hindsight. Each of those three players were regressing pretty rapidly, getting less and less game time in the Championship and their form was very patchy at club level. The only one to continue to get an odd game here or there was Gunter, and in the first meaningful game he played after that point (Belarus away) he was absolutely abysmal and nearly cost us the three points. Rodon was one of the best cbs in the championship and, up until the euros, his performances for Wales had been really good. |
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Post by njdragon on Jul 14, 2023 8:53:09 GMT
Rubbish... Connor roberts had played 50 games in the championship that season while gunter had played 36 in league 1 Henessey had 1 appearance that season while even ward had 4 and was MOTM against switzerland Mepham had been playing premier league for 2 seasons prior to that season Ashley williams had announced his football retirement in january so not sure why you would include him Davies played Neco had made 14 appearances for the premier league champions Rodon had played for swans and spurs that season Gunter had near 100 caps for Wales, top defender Fair enough Ward had a decent tournament Had he been respected and kept a part of the side then Ash wouldn’t have retired, he had much more to give. Neco wasn’t ready, he was out of his depth, but it was a good experience for him. Rodon was decent tbf That’s looking at it individually Collectively Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Had 100s of caps, years of experience together, and knew the game. Giggs did some things well but the transition overall was badly handled Well Ash had retired altogether from football not just international stage so clearly he wasn't up the level anymore. I kind of get what you are saying as i would have liked to have kept chester for example but the others weren't up to scratch. Remember it was only a few months ago people were calling for bale to be dropped in place of johnson. |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jul 14, 2023 10:26:51 GMT
Back to Osian's current plans... I take it that he has not gone with Patrick Vieira to Strasbourg ? So, is he just biding his time over the summer to see what Cymru do in September against South Korea and Latvia? I know that the Korea fixture is just a friendly, but another home defeat will hardly bode well ahead of the important trip to Riga...
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 14, 2023 11:14:41 GMT
Rubbish... Connor roberts had played 50 games in the championship that season while gunter had played 36 in league 1 Henessey had 1 appearance that season while even ward had 4 and was MOTM against switzerland Mepham had been playing premier league for 2 seasons prior to that season Ashley williams had announced his football retirement in january so not sure why you would include him Davies played Neco had made 14 appearances for the premier league champions Rodon had played for swans and spurs that season Gunter had near 100 caps for Wales, top defender Fair enough Ward had a decent tournament Had he been respected and kept a part of the side then Ash wouldn’t have retired, he had much more to give. Neco wasn’t ready, he was out of his depth, but it was a good experience for him. Rodon was decent tbf That’s looking at it individually Collectively Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Had 100s of caps, years of experience together, and knew the game. Giggs did some things well but the transition overall was badly handled Gunter was at that point not as good as Roberts and didn't offer the threat Williams did. He was in League 1 at this point. Ashley Williams had retired altogether from professional football a year before this match took a place Chester was probably hard done by toward the end of his Wales career but he was somewhat unreliable at that point with injuries, he didn't play the final few games of 20/21 and missed the first 8 games of the 21/22 I know you really rate some of the old guard, and I agree with you regarding some of them being hard done by, but that back 4 in 2021 is ridiculous, one of them was 36 and already retired! |
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