Hennessey

[nathan1710]

Aug 15, 2015 11:43:02 GMT Tim P said:

To clarify: Hennessey moves to be the number 1, and it happens shortly. The club, historically, could certainly consider itself bigger than Crystal Palace. Hennessey will put pen to paper on a three year contract with the explicit goal being to return to the epl next season.

Nottingham Forest?

[joeledleysbeard]

Aug 15, 2015 16:45:44 GMT nathan1710 said:

Aug 15, 2015 11:43:02 GMT Tim P said:

To clarify: Hennessey moves to be the number 1, and it happens shortly. The club, historically, could certainly consider itself bigger than Crystal Palace. Hennessey will put pen to paper on a three year contract with the explicit goal being to return to the epl next season.

Nottingham Forest?

Isn't that Karl Darlow's spot?

[jbt95]

Aug 15, 2015 17:17:38 GMT joeledleysbeard said:

Aug 15, 2015 16:45:44 GMT nathan1710 said:

Nottingham Forest?

Isn't that Karl Darlow's spot?

Nah his spot was the Liberty stadium bench today... he's the second choice for Newcastle now.

[ae15]

Dorus De Vries is now first choice at Forest.

[jbt95]

Aug 15, 2015 16:45:44 GMT nathan1710 said:

Aug 15, 2015 11:43:02 GMT Tim P said:

To clarify: Hennessey moves to be the number 1, and it happens shortly. The club, historically, could certainly consider itself bigger than Crystal Palace. Hennessey will put pen to paper on a three year contract with the explicit goal being to return to the epl next season.

Nottingham Forest?

Sheffield Wednesday I'm gonna say.

[holmesdaleultra]

Aug 15, 2015 11:43:02 GMT Tim P said:

To clarify: Hennessey moves to be the number 1, and it happens shortly. The club, historically, could certainly consider itself bigger than Crystal Palace. Hennessey will put pen to paper on a three year contract with the explicit goal being to return to the epl next season.

No team in the championship is bigger than palace bro.

Let's hope Wayne gets to play instead of that McCarthy tomorrows and Ledley plays against them arses.

[ch7]

Aug 15, 2015 20:57:01 GMT holmesdaleultra said:

Aug 15, 2015 11:43:02 GMT Tim P said:

To clarify: Hennessey moves to be the number 1, and it happens shortly. The club, historically, could certainly consider itself bigger than Crystal Palace. Hennessey will put pen to paper on a three year contract with the explicit goal being to return to the epl next season.

No team in the championship is bigger than palace bro.

Let's hope Wayne gets to play instead of that McCarthy tomorrows and Ledley plays against them arses.

Leeds

[walesaway]

Just tell us so we can all pop down the bookies

[cymro]

So that basically narrows it down to Forest, Derby, Leeds or Blackburn...?

[ae15]

Aug 16, 2015 8:41:23 GMT cymro said:

So that basically narrows it down to Forest, Derby, Leeds or Blackburn...?

Ipswich?

[cymruramdcfc]

Aug 15, 2015 16:45:44 GMT nathan1710 said:

Aug 15, 2015 11:43:02 GMT Tim P said:

To clarify: Hennessey moves to be the number 1, and it happens shortly. The club, historically, could certainly consider itself bigger than Crystal Palace. Hennessey will put pen to paper on a three year contract with the explicit goal being to return to the epl next season.

Nottingham Forest?

Haha not a chance them making premier

Lol

[quetzal]

Congrats to Wayne on winning 50 caps for Wales tonight. Clean sheet please

[dai]

Seriously, how the fuck isn't he a number 1 keeper for at least a top championship side?

[Deleted]

Sept 4, 2015 8:36:34 GMT dai said:

Seriously, how the fuck isn't he a number 1 keeper for at least a top championship side?

Hes a solid presence but seriously, what did he have to do last night that would have clubs clmaouring to sign him?

Its testament to our defence that Hennessey has for the most part been a spectator this whole campaign. Its fantastic stuff especially considering last campaign and that there hasnt been a lot of consistency in personnel in the defence this campaign due to injuries. They are so well drilled its unbelievable.

In fact that late shot from Cyprus last night was going wide. I reckon Hennessey only pulled off the save because he was looking for something to do.

[dai]

Sept 4, 2015 8:58:28 GMT @storm said:

Sept 4, 2015 8:36:34 GMT dai said:

Seriously, how the fuck isn't he a number 1 keeper for at least a top championship side?

Hes a solid presence but seriously, what did he have to do last night that would have clubs clmaouring to sign him?

Its testament to our defence that Hennessey has for the most part been a spectator this whole campaign. Its fantastic stuff especially considering last campaign and that there hasnt been a lot of consistency in personnel in the defence this campaign due to injuries. They are so well drilled its unbelievable.

In fact that late shot from Cyprus last night was going wide. I reckon Hennessey only pulled off the save because he was looking for something to do.

I wasn't saying that based on last night, I'm basing it on this whole campaign and the talent he has. I'm still dumbfounded that he was signed for 3.5 million (I think?) by Palace the season before last, and he is now down to 3rd choice at the club. Do clubs like Palace usually sign keepers for that amount just to play a handful of games a year? 

[llannerch]

And to think there have been people, possibly still are some, who think Myhill should be our number one and begged to return

[Bass Drum Barry]

Sept 4, 2015 9:04:08 GMT dai said:

Sept 4, 2015 8:58:28 GMT @storm said:

Hes a solid presence but seriously, what did he have to do last night that would have clubs clmaouring to sign him?

Its testament to our defence that Hennessey has for the most part been a spectator this whole campaign. Its fantastic stuff especially considering last campaign and that there hasnt been a lot of consistency in personnel in the defence this campaign due to injuries. They are so well drilled its unbelievable.

In fact that late shot from Cyprus last night was going wide. I reckon Hennessey only pulled off the save because he was looking for something to do.

I wasn't saying that based on last night, I'm basing it on this whole campaign and the talent he has. I'm still dumbfounded that he was signed for 3.5 million (I think?) by Palace the season before last, and he is now down to 3rd choice at the club. Do clubs like Palace usually sign keepers for that amount just to play a handful of games a year? 

Just a victim of the managerial merry-go-round in terms of his Palace career. Needs to get out of there ASAP, as will Ledley if he doesn't manage to win his place back.

[quetzal]

Oh dear!!! He was having a great season but another soft goal today conceaded. Confidence will be shot!!!

[alarch]

Price played for Sheffield Wednesday, and managed a clean sheet. Competition is never a bad thing.

[Deleted]

Jan 16, 2016 15:38:45 GMT alarch said:

Price played for Sheffield Wednesday, and managed a clean sheet. Competition is never a bad thing.

Price should be looking back on his career and embarrassed at how he has wasted it. The times I have seen him he has been outstanding, yet he has seemed happy to warm the bench too much. If he made it to an international finals it would be a hell of a comeback, but based on talent I would rather have him than OFW.

I am really hoping that Klopp gives Ward a chance and that Ward excels. Hennessey is okay, makes the odd great save but also the odd error, I think his place in the sidde is most definitely up for grabs. Coleman loves his favourites though and Hennessey would have to lose a leg to be prised out of the starting line up for the finals.

[nathan1710]

Jan 16, 2016 16:37:44 GMT @storm said:

Jan 16, 2016 15:38:45 GMT alarch said:

Price played for Sheffield Wednesday, and managed a clean sheet. Competition is never a bad thing.

Price should be looking back on his career and embarrassed at how he has wasted it. The times I have seen him he has been outstanding, yet he has seemed happy to warm the bench too much. If he made it to an international finals it would be a hell of a comeback, but based on talent I would rather have him than OFW.

I am really hoping that Klopp gives Ward a chance and that Ward excels. Hennessey is okay, makes the odd great save but also the odd error, I think his place in the sidde is most definitely up for grabs. Coleman loves his favourites though and Hennessey would have to lose a leg to be prised out of the starting line up for the finals.

And rightly so in my opinion. Wayne is going through a bad spell at the moment, no one knows why but him. But before this started, he was immense for about 4 games. All clean sheets (I think), and the tram was saying if it wasn't for Wayne they would have lost those games. You don't become a bad keeper overnight. He's just getting it all out before the Euros, I hope.

[Deleted]

Jan 17, 2016 10:03:24 GMT nathan1710 said:

Jan 16, 2016 16:37:44 GMT @storm said:

Price should be looking back on his career and embarrassed at how he has wasted it. The times I have seen him he has been outstanding, yet he has seemed happy to warm the bench too much. If he made it to an international finals it would be a hell of a comeback, but based on talent I would rather have him than OFW.

I am really hoping that Klopp gives Ward a chance and that Ward excels. Hennessey is okay, makes the odd great save but also the odd error, I think his place in the sidde is most definitely up for grabs. Coleman loves his favourites though and Hennessey would have to lose a leg to be prised out of the starting line up for the finals.

And rightly so in my opinion. Wayne is going through a bad spell at the moment, no one knows why but him. But before this started, he was immense for about 4 games. All clean sheets (I think), and the tram was saying if it wasn't for Wayne they would have lost those games. You don't become a bad keeper overnight. He's just getting it all out before the Euros, I hope.

4 games then an error is hardly top flight quality though is it? For me he lacks a certain 'intensity' about him and comes across as rather complacent so it is no surprise to see him make some outstanding saves and follow those up with daft errors. I will be very surprised if he is still first choice at Palace come the end of the season and i personally feel we can do much better than him at international level.

[nathan1710]

Jan 17, 2016 10:59:06 GMT @storm said:

Jan 17, 2016 10:03:24 GMT nathan1710 said:

And rightly so in my opinion. Wayne is going through a bad spell at the moment, no one knows why but him. But before this started, he was immense for about 4 games. All clean sheets (I think), and the tram was saying if it wasn't for Wayne they would have lost those games. You don't become a bad keeper overnight. He's just getting it all out before the Euros, I hope.

4 games then an error is hardly top flight quality though is it? For me he lacks a certain 'intensity' about him and comes across as rather complacent so it is no surprise to see him make some outstanding saves and follow those up with daft errors. I will be very surprised if he is still first choice at Palace come the end of the season and i personally feel we can do much better than him at international level.

Better him with who? He is a top quality keeper. If it wasn't for his injury he would have had been at a prem club for the last 3 years as their no1. That injury put him so far back. I think Danny Ward will eventually become our no1 but I can see that happening for 4 years at least. Unless he become Liverpools no1 but I don't think he's going to get that opportunity. And there certainly isn't any other up and coming Welsh keepers capable of taking the shirt from Wayne.

[squatter1]

Jan 17, 2016 10:59:06 GMT @storm said:

Jan 17, 2016 10:03:24 GMT nathan1710 said:

And rightly so in my opinion. Wayne is going through a bad spell at the moment, no one knows why but him. But before this started, he was immense for about 4 games. All clean sheets (I think), and the tram was saying if it wasn't for Wayne they would have lost those games. You don't become a bad keeper overnight. He's just getting it all out before the Euros, I hope.

4 games then an error is hardly top flight quality though is it? For me he lacks a certain 'intensity' about him and comes across as rather complacent so it is no surprise to see him make some outstanding saves and follow those up with daft errors. I will be very surprised if he is still first choice at Palace come the end of the season and i personally feel we can do much better than him at international level.

But how you personally feel about Hennessey has little connection to the reality of Welsh football. Here is a keeper who has come back from a serious injury, forced his way into a top-half premiership team, and played every game in an historic Welsh qualifying campaign in which he kept five clean sheets in eight games. He's still young, and he's almost certainly our best keeper since Southall, and all you can do is slag him off the first time he hits a wobbly patch in his career? Well done you for giving people a second chance!

The reality is, looking back at every keeper we've had to choose from since Southall (who was an aberration) is that, no, you're wrong: as Wales we can't expect to have much better at international level than Hennessey.

[Tim P]

Currently, Hennessey is our only option, he was largely solid in the qualifiers, and has done very very well to get his place at Palace. It will be very interesting to see if he keeps his place, will say a lot about how much Pardew trusts him.

That said, I take Storn's point about a perceived lack of 'intensity'. I mean, to put it bluntly, he looks like he could be in much better physical shape.

We have nothing to worry about with him, but it would be brilliant to see Ward step up and give him a fight for the selection.

[nathan1710]

I've watched the 4 he conceded to City and to be fair only 1 could be his fault.

The first he should do better with, but you could also say, why has Delph been able to come in to the centre unmarked and take a shit from what? 25 yards? Why wasn't he closed down? But yes, but Wayne should do better. The other 3 he couldn't do alot about, 2 were tap ins into an empty net after Wayne closed down the player passing to the goalscorer and the other took a deflection.

[jimbo82]

Jan 17, 2016 12:34:09 GMT nathan1710 said:

I've watched the 4 he conceded to City and to be fair only 1 could be his fault.

The first he should do better with, but you could also say, why has Delph been able to come in to the centre unmarked and take a shit from what? 25 yards?

Early contender for "Autocorrect of the Year"  

[alarch]

Given that description it's pretty obvious why Delph "wasn't closed down".

I'm completely in the dark as to what is meant by Wayne lacking "intensity". In an outfield player I could stab a guess at what this means - for example Ki is lacking in intensity for Swansea this season. But in a goalkeeper? The only thing I can think of is, is that a goalie might be tentative when it comes to crosses into the box - in other words indecisive. But I can't say I've seen that in Wayne, certainly not in his performances for Wales.

It's worth noting that both of his recent clangers involved dipping balls. That doesn't excuse the errors, especially the one yesterday, but dipping balls are notoriously difficult to deal with (no double entendre intended). The blunders looked worse than they were - especially the Lescott header - which was just one of those things.

It's also worth remembering that even the immense Southall made a few blunders in his time for Wales, often in key matches. In fact, I can think of a few matches where Southall let low shots "through him" that were very similar to Hennessey's error yesterday. The equalizing goal for Yugoslavia late on in the Euros springs readily to mind. www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7GfVgZKN7k

Which is worse Southall's effort or Hennessey's?

[Deleted]

But that is just it - he is our number 1 simply because of a lack of any serious competition. It isn't going to take a lot for a keeper to be a serious alternative to Hennessey. To be honest I have always had my doubts about him given the amount of time he has spent warming benches considering he has been one of our best choice goalkeepers (along with Myhill). My point about intensity is his body language, how bothered he looks (he certainly isn't a vocal, or even commanding, presence in the box) couple that with his apparent penchant for warming benches and his habit of throwing the occasional rick on the pitch (as he has done recently) and it just makes me wonder how seriously he takes his career. I guess what I am trying to say is 'how much hunger does he have to play and succeed'?

From where I am sitting, he is a stop gap until Ward starts to fulfil his promise. I don't think it will play out like this in practice as Coleman will stand by the core of the team that got us to France. Ward will have to really pull up trees for Coleman to even contemplate a change of keeper.

[Deleted]

Actually we may find out the answer to the question about his hunger because, to quote Pardew, he wants to see a 'reaction' from him in training this week. Perhaps Pardew has the same concerns.