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Jan 17, 2016 15:53:51 GMT
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Post by sleepy on Jan 17, 2016 15:53:51 GMT
But that is just it - he is our number 1 simply because of a lack of any serious competition. It isn't going to take a lot for a keeper to be a serious alternative to Hennessey. To be honest I have always had my doubts about him given the amount of time he has spent warming benches considering he has been one of our best choice goalkeepers (along with Myhill). My point about intensity is his body language, how bothered he looks (he certainly isn't a vocal, or even commanding, presence in the box) couple that with his apparent penchant for warming benches and his habit of throwing the occasional rick on the pitch (as he has done recently) and it just makes me wonder how seriously he takes his career. I guess what I am trying to say is 'how much hunger does he have to play and succeed'? From where I am sitting, he is a stop gap until Ward starts to fulfil his promise. I don't think it will play out like this in practice as Coleman will stand by the core of the team that got us to France. Ward will have to really pull up trees for Coleman to even contemplate a change of keeper. I would call it lack of 'focus'. Still our joint best keeper since southall, tied with paul jones.
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Post by alarch on Jan 17, 2016 17:05:43 GMT
I really don't know how you see it that way storm. You seem to forget that Hennessey has had dreadful luck with injuries - but also, of all positions on the pitch, goalie is the one, by some distance, where you can end up kicking your heels through no fault of your own. A goalie isn't going to be a makeshift defender is he, unlike the multitude of positions - unlike a versatile midfielder, say. Hennessey did kick up a bit of a fuss I seem to recall when he was down the pecking order at Wolves in League One, if my memory serves me correctly. Fat lot of good that did him.
From his performances for Wales in this campaign, and what I have seen of his performances in the Premier League this season, and in previous seasons, Hennessey is at least good enough for a lower Premier League team, quite possibly better than that. That makes him our best goalie since Southall - and certainly better than Paul Jones.
This seems a familiar narrative on this forum, mainly concerning Bale and Ramsey, of going overboard when players do well, and then going completely over the top with negativity, when, frustratingly, they go through a sticky patch. No wonder the likes of the Sun sell so well, with their build em up, knock up down baloney.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2016 17:32:34 GMT
I really don't know how you see it that way storm. You seem to forget that Hennessey has had dreadful luck with injuries - but also, of all positions on the pitch, goalie is the one, by some distance, where you can end up kicking your heels through no fault of your own. A goalie isn't going to be a makeshift defender is he, unlike the multitude of positions - unlike a versatile midfielder, say. Hennessey did kick up a bit of a fuss I seem to recall when he was down the pecking order at Wolves in League One, if my memory serves me correctly. Fat lot of good that did him. From his performances for Wales in this campaign, and what I have seen of his performances in the Premier League this season, and in previous seasons, Hennessey is at least good enough for a lower Premier League team, quite possibly better than that. That makes him our best goalie since Southall - and certainly better than Paul Jones. This seems a familiar narrative on this forum, mainly concerning Bale and Ramsey, of going overboard when players do well, and then going completely over the top with negativity, when, frustratingly, they go through a sticky patch. No wonder the likes of the Sun sell so well, with their build em up, knock up down baloney. I don't think it is a case of 'build em up knock em down' because generally (certainly in my case) it is different posters doing the building up to the knocking down. I like to retain some objectivity and I won't go overboard on a Welsh player unless they really seem like they deserve it by their actions on the pitch. Consequently I am a bit out of step with others on this forum where I will not hold back in being critical about 'one of our own'. Hennessey has been injured in previous years which I accept, it is more that I am a bit disappointed how long he stayed on the bench at Palace, which kind of makes it even worse that he comes into the side and gets some early plaudits for good saves and then in consecutive games lets in soft goals. I just struggle to believe it given how long it has taken him to get in the side. 2 errors in a handful of games is not a good return for a (supposedly) top flight keeper and deserves criticism. Let us see how he bounces back- as he must. He needs a perfect game now.
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Jan 17, 2016 19:10:46 GMT
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Post by nathan1710 on Jan 17, 2016 19:10:46 GMT
I've watched the 4 he conceded to City and to be fair only 1 could be his fault. The first he should do better with, but you could also say, why has Delph been able to come in to the centre unmarked and take a shit from what? 25 yards? Early contender for "Autocorrect of the Year" Hahahaha
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Jan 17, 2016 19:17:01 GMT
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Post by nathan1710 on Jan 17, 2016 19:17:01 GMT
But that is just it - he is our number 1 simply because of a lack of any serious competition. It isn't going to take a lot for a keeper to be a serious alternative to Hennessey. To be honest I have always had my doubts about him given the amount of time he has spent warming benches considering he has been one of our best choice goalkeepers (along with Myhill). My point about intensity is his body language, how bothered he looks (he certainly isn't a vocal, or even commanding, presence in the box) couple that with his apparent penchant for warming benches and his habit of throwing the occasional rick on the pitch (as he has done recently) and it just makes me wonder how seriously he takes his career. I guess what I am trying to say is 'how much hunger does he have to play and succeed'? From where I am sitting, he is a stop gap until Ward starts to fulfil his promise. I don't think it will play out like this in practice as Coleman will stand by the core of the team that got us to France. Ward will have to really pull up trees for Coleman to even contemplate a change of keeper. Got to be honest with you storm, I couldn't agree with you less. You're not normally this negative.....Oh wait.
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Post by yanto on Jan 17, 2016 20:45:35 GMT
Actually we may find out the answer to the question about his hunger because, to quote Pardew, he wants to see a 'reaction' from him in training this week. Perhaps Pardew has the same concerns. Pardew sounded right pissed off with wayne i suspect he will be dropped or one last chance
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Post by mrpicton79 on Jan 18, 2016 2:01:17 GMT
We may find out the answer to the question about his hunger because, to quote Pardew, he wants to see a reaction from him in training this week. Perhaps Pardew has the same concerns. You're being very harsh on Wayne imo Storm. Watching Wales for any length of time should tell you one luxury we don't have is competition for places across all positions on the park. Goalkeeper's a problem position right now, and as others have alluded to we don't have a divine right to a Per Cech, a Manuel Neuer or a Buffon at his best. And even if we did, show me a keeper who never makes a blunder and I'll show you a Match of the Day presenter who never makes a wanking joke on live national television. They're all human hence they all chuck one in from time to time. The alternatives are/have been playing in the Scottish leagues and that just doesn't cut it for me. Wayne was immense for us during the qualifiers and will be our No.1 in Euro 2016.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 8:57:20 GMT
Actually we may find out the answer to the question about his hunger because, to quote Pardew, he wants to see a 'reaction' from him in training this week. Perhaps Pardew has the same concerns. Pardew sounded right pissed off with wayne i suspect he will be dropped or one last chance Poor Pards- Nathan will be sending him death threats. 'You can't do that to one of our ooooooown' etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 9:08:04 GMT
We may find out the answer to the question about his hunger because, to quote Pardew, he wants to see a reaction from him in training this week. Perhaps Pardew has the same concerns. You're being very harsh on Wayne imo Storm. Watching Wales for any length of time should tell you one luxury we don't have is competition for places across all positions on the park. Goalkeeper's a problem position right now, and as others have alluded to we don't have a divine right to a Per Cech, a Manuel Neuer or a Buffon at his best. And even if we did, show me a keeper who never makes a blunder and I'll show you a Match of the Day presenter who never makes a wanking joke on live national television. They're all human hence they all chuck one in from time to time. The alternatives are/have been playing in the Scottish leagues and that just doesn't cut it for me. Wayne was immense for us during the qualifiers and will be our No.1 in Euro 2016. Yes he made some good saves during the campaign I will happily give him that. It also has to be pointed out that he was never put under much pressure because our defence as a whole was phenomenal, how many saves did he have to make against the best team in the group (Belgium)? Actually I've just looked at the games he has played this season and I must admit I was under the impression he had only played a small number of games when he has actually played most of the season. So I do take some of the criticism back, he has obviously done alright previously. I thought he had come in at the end of November and had made 2 mistakes in a handful of games which is obviously a poor ratio. Still though, two in consecutive games is not easily excused and I'll bet Pardew won't be very forgiving if it happens again.
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Post by alarch on Jan 18, 2016 12:19:37 GMT
Hennessey made excellent, key saves in both 0-0 draws - home to Bosnia and away to Belgium, as well as the 1-0 win over Belgium. Had we lost the Bosnia game they would have been well in the running and the whole dynamic of our campaign would have been very different. I don't think he's had enough credit for his contribution to our qualification.
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Jan 18, 2016 14:14:48 GMT
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Post by nathan1710 on Jan 18, 2016 14:14:48 GMT
Pardew sounded right pissed off with wayne i suspect he will be dropped or one last chance Poor Pards- Nathan will be sending him death threats. 'You can't do that to one of our ooooooown' etc. Death threats? Must be your positive side talking again.
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Jan 18, 2016 14:15:59 GMT
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Post by nathan1710 on Jan 18, 2016 14:15:59 GMT
You're being very harsh on Wayne imo Storm. Watching Wales for any length of time should tell you one luxury we don't have is competition for places across all positions on the park. Goalkeeper's a problem position right now, and as others have alluded to we don't have a divine right to a Per Cech, a Manuel Neuer or a Buffon at his best. And even if we did, show me a keeper who never makes a blunder and I'll show you a Match of the Day presenter who never makes a wanking joke on live national television. They're all human hence they all chuck one in from time to time. The alternatives are/have been playing in the Scottish leagues and that just doesn't cut it for me. Wayne was immense for us during the qualifiers and will be our No.1 in Euro 2016. Yes he made some good saves during the campaign I will happily give him that. It also has to be pointed out that he was never put under much pressure because our defence as a whole was phenomenal, how many saves did he have to make against the best team in the group (Belgium)? Actually I've just looked at the games he has played this season and I must admit I was under the impression he had only played a small number of games when he has actually played most of the season. So I do take some of the criticism back, he has obviously done alright previously. I thought he had come in at the end of November and had made 2 mistakes in a handful of games which is obviously a poor ratio. Still though, two in consecutive games is not easily excused and I'll bet Pardew won't be very forgiving if it happens again. Why comment without first doing your homework?
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Post by jbt95 on Jan 18, 2016 14:21:46 GMT
I think Pardew is a bit out of order to be honest. Ok he made a mistake at Villa and that cost them the game, but that can happen.
Palace got smashed 4-0 by Man City, Wayne didn't cost them the game.
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Post by squatter1 on Jan 18, 2016 15:16:40 GMT
Yes he made some good saves during the campaign I will happily give him that. It also has to be pointed out that he was never put under much pressure because our defence as a whole was phenomenal, how many saves did he have to make against the best team in the group (Belgium)? Actually I've just looked at the games he has played this season and I must admit I was under the impression he had only played a small number of games when he has actually played most of the season. So I do take some of the criticism back, he has obviously done alright previously. I thought he had come in at the end of November and had made 2 mistakes in a handful of games which is obviously a poor ratio. Still though, two in consecutive games is not easily excused and I'll bet Pardew won't be very forgiving if it happens again. Why comment without first doing your homework? Never let the truth get in the way of an overly-negative knee-jerk outburst.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 15:45:26 GMT
Yes he made some good saves during the campaign I will happily give him that. It also has to be pointed out that he was never put under much pressure because our defence as a whole was phenomenal, how many saves did he have to make against the best team in the group (Belgium)? Actually I've just looked at the games he has played this season and I must admit I was under the impression he had only played a small number of games when he has actually played most of the season. So I do take some of the criticism back, he has obviously done alright previously. I thought he had come in at the end of November and had made 2 mistakes in a handful of games which is obviously a poor ratio. Still though, two in consecutive games is not easily excused and I'll bet Pardew won't be very forgiving if it happens again. Why comment without first doing your homework? At least I followed up and acknowledged it- that is more than most do.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Jan 18, 2016 20:53:35 GMT
I think Pardew is a bit out of order to be honest. Ok he made a mistake at Villa and that cost them the game, but that can happen. Palace got smashed 4-0 by Man City, Wayne didn't cost them the game. Agree bro. We were well beaten by a better team & the same happened in the league cup before Xmas but the whole team should take the blame & Pardew for his tactics on both occasions.
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Mar 6, 2016 12:33:00 GMT
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 6, 2016 12:33:00 GMT
not in the squad today? Injured?
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Post by pengedragon on Mar 6, 2016 12:57:26 GMT
yes, not a bad one though apparently
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 6, 2016 16:14:08 GMT
yes, not a bad one though apparently We could have done with Wayne in goal today disastrous error by McCarthy to let Liverpool back in. Joe had a steady game and scored.
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Mar 7, 2016 19:50:19 GMT
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Post by nathan1710 on Mar 7, 2016 19:50:19 GMT
yes, not a bad one though apparently We could have done with Wayne in goal today disastrous error by McCarthy to let Liverpool back in. Joe had a steady game and scored. I thought Ledley was terrific yesterday. If he stayed on the pitch and didn't get subbed I think he would have had motm. He was everywhere and his passing was excellent.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Mar 7, 2016 21:12:50 GMT
yes, not a bad one though apparently We could have done with Wayne in goal today disastrous error by McCarthy to let Liverpool back in. Joe had a steady game and scored. And Hennessey could have done with the penalty practice!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 12:34:35 GMT
anyone heard any news about wayne?
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Jun 15, 2016 13:09:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 13:09:24 GMT
anyone heard any news about wayne? BBC says he hopes to be fit (got the impression from the tone of it that he will be fit to start). I hope so, as much as I have been a very outspoken critic of him I rate Ward even less. Thought the occasion got to him for long periods and he has hardly looked impressive in his previous caps v Northern Ireland and Ukraine. I must say for such a highly rated keeper he has looked a real disappointment the (few) times I have seen him. Still a long time for him to improve, but international football is too soon for him at the moment.
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Post by toshfan on Jun 15, 2016 13:12:52 GMT
anyone heard any news about wayne? BBC says he hopes to be fit (got the impression from the tone of it that he will be fit to start). I hope so, as much as I have been a very outspoken critic of him I rate Ward even less. Thought the occasion got to him for long periods and he has hardly looked impressive in his previous caps v Northern Ireland and Ukraine. I must say for such a highly rated keeper he has looked a real disappointment the (few) times I have seen him. Still a long time for him to improve, but international football is too soon for him at the moment. I would prefer a fit Wayne but, an early misunderstanding with Ash aside, I think you are being harsh. Pulled off one excellent stop and was very good with the ball at his feet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 13:44:35 GMT
BBC says he hopes to be fit (got the impression from the tone of it that he will be fit to start). I hope so, as much as I have been a very outspoken critic of him I rate Ward even less. Thought the occasion got to him for long periods and he has hardly looked impressive in his previous caps v Northern Ireland and Ukraine. I must say for such a highly rated keeper he has looked a real disappointment the (few) times I have seen him. Still a long time for him to improve, but international football is too soon for him at the moment. I would prefer a fit Wayne but, an early misunderstanding with Ash aside, I think you are being harsh. Pulled off one excellent stop and was very good with the ball at his feet. He didn't look convincing with that shot that went straight at him towards the end of the game, punching it a couple of yards out and Williams had to come in and bail him out. He also looks to make half hearted attempts to get down to save: never even tried to stop the Hamsik shot that Davies cleared (he looked nervous) and was hardly full stretch for the goal. I agree he did alright with the ball at his feet but considering a keeper mainly uses his hands if the best we can say is about his footwork it says it all! His time will obviously come but I really hope it isn't in the next few weeks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 11:23:47 GMT
I couldn't face any replays at the time of the winning goal and my recollection was that the ball was passed to the side of Hennessey and too close for him to react.
After looking at the replays today am I being harsh in thinking that is a very soft goal to concede? It has gone straight at his leg and pinged off him into the net. Hart is getting a bit of stick for his chocolate wrists on the Bale free kick but the press would be crucifying Hart if he had conceded a goal like that. Poor stuff, imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:23:32 GMT
I couldn't face any replays at the time of the winning goal and my recollection was that the ball was passed to the side of Hennessey and too close for him to react. After looking at the replays today am I being harsh in thinking that is a very soft goal to concede? It has gone straight at his leg and pinged off him into the net. Hart is getting a bit of stick for his chocolate wrists on the Bale free kick but the press would be crucifying Hart if he had conceded a goal like that. Poor stuff, imo. Hennessey will be gutted about that goal today. When it went in it seemed a really soft goal to concede and having watched it again I haven't changed my mind.
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Post by saints19 on Jun 17, 2016 12:29:09 GMT
He did make some good saves earlier in the game, but you're right.
That said, he is the best keeping option we have. He may make the odd mistake but regularly pulls off excellent saves too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:57:38 GMT
I couldn't face any replays at the time of the winning goal and my recollection was that the ball was passed to the side of Hennessey and too close for him to react. After looking at the replays today am I being harsh in thinking that is a very soft goal to concede? It has gone straight at his leg and pinged off him into the net. Hart is getting a bit of stick for his chocolate wrists on the Bale free kick but the press would be crucifying Hart if he had conceded a goal like that. Poor stuff, imo. Hennessey will be gutted about that goal today. When it went in it seemed a really soft goal to concede and having watched it again I haven't changed my mind. Lets just take this to the nth degree and ask why the pundits were quick to put Bale's goal down to a goalkeeping howler and yet the pundits never mentioned how poor Sturridge's goal actually was? Definitely seems like bias there to fluff the England squad- if Hart had conceded a goal like that to Johnny Williams, say, the likes of Shearer and Mills would have had something to say about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2016 12:58:37 GMT
He did make some good saves earlier in the game, but you're right. That said, he is the best keeping option we have. He may make the odd mistake but regularly pulls off excellent saves too. Yeah after seeing how shaky Ward was I appreciate Hennessey a lot more than I used to!
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