Hennessey

[iot]

Mar 5, 2018 21:37:23 GMT zenith said:

Hennessey is having an absolute shocker tonight really, positioning is dreadful

Yeah, flapped at several crosses and felt he could have done slightly better with the second and third goals. I'm probably being harsh, but I'm quite sure the keeper at the other end would have saved them. 

[Albert]

Mar 5, 2018 22:10:11 GMT iot said:

Mar 5, 2018 21:37:23 GMT zenith said:

Hennessey is having an absolute shocker tonight really, positioning is dreadful

Yeah, flapped at several crosses and felt he could have done slightly better with the second and third goals. I'm probably being harsh, but I'm quite sure the keeper at the other end would have saved them. 

Second goal he had 4 bodies in front of him and you look at it in slo mo he thinks the ball is being chipped over as he raises his arms and the 3rd goal well !! I don't think many keepers would save that.

[iot]

Mar 5, 2018 22:32:10 GMT Albert said:

Mar 5, 2018 22:10:11 GMT iot said:

Yeah, flapped at several crosses and felt he could have done slightly better with the second and third goals. I'm probably being harsh, but I'm quite sure the keeper at the other end would have saved them. 

Second goal he had 4 bodies in front of him and you look at it in slo mo he thinks the ball is being chipped over as he raises his arms and the 3rd goal well !! I don't think many keepers would save that.

I know they were difficult saves to make but I think a top keeper could have made them. Just look at De Gea's save after it went to 2-2 when he got down incredibly quickly to save a shot from point blank range. It isn't too dissimilar to the save Havennessey needed to make, but he doesn't have the same agility and reflexes.

As for the 3rd goal, it was no doubt a brilliant strike but it did travel a long distance and keepers can sometimes make those goals look better than they are by reacting so slowly. He does seem concede more of them than most keepers - I don't believe that Naingolan's goal against us in the 3-1 was unsaveable, for example. But again, I'm probably being too critical. 

[Albert]

Mar 5, 2018 22:55:02 GMT iot said:

Mar 5, 2018 22:32:10 GMT Albert said:

Second goal he had 4 bodies in front of him and you look at it in slo mo he thinks the ball is being chipped over as he raises his arms and the 3rd goal well !! I don't think many keepers would save that.

I know they were difficult saves to make but I think a top keeper could have made them. Just look at De Gea's save after it went to 2-2 when he got down incredibly quickly to save a shot from point blank range. It isn't too dissimilar to the save Havennessey needed to make, but he doesn't have the same agility and reflexes.

As for the 3rd goal, it was no doubt a brilliant strike but it did travel a long distance and keepers can sometimes make those goals look better than they are by reacting so slowly. He does seem concede more of them than most keepers - I don't believe that Naingolan's goal against us in the 3-1 was unsaveable, for example. But again, I'm probably being too critical. 

Yes fair points , he is a bit of a flappy bird but the second goal was a deflected shot and De Gea was rooted to the spot for both palace goals

[ae15]

I didn't see the whole game but heard he sounded dodgy. He wasn't at fault for either goal though.

[holmesdaleultra]

Mar 5, 2018 21:37:23 GMT zenith said:

Hennessey is having an absolute shocker tonight really, positioning is dreadful

Sorry bro I disagree,made some crucial saves and no chance with the goals.
Do agree he could have dealt with the crosses better though.

[CrackityJones]

It'd be great to see someone seriously challenge him for the No1 shirt but seeing as Ward, Maxwell and Davies aren’t starting for their clubs at the moment, that's not going to happen any time soon.

[melynwy]

May 29, 2018 9:14:53 GMT cadno said:

Hennessey is a class keeper.

I have to disagree with you here. He is a poor goalkeeper in my opinion.

If he had failed to save any of Mexico's shots, questions would be asked. A few of the saves were lucky breaks because of questionable positioning - two if not three times he was in no man's land but made a recovery save, and a better striker would have taken half a second longer to think and humiliated him. 

The main problem I think is his footwork - he's constantly diving from a static position that's too far away, and as such is often nowhere near the ball. As a result, it rarely looks like his fault, and he makes the shot look better than it was., Take Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarter finals - a better class of keeper would have taken a couple of steps to the right and caught it simply. Perhaps not even a need to dive for that one at that distance. Hennessey however dives from too far away even though he has time to shuffle across and makes it look like a screamer. Look at him playing for Palace and the same traits is in evidence. He concedes a lot of goals, but he rarely looks as fault. There was one a few week ago where his feet seemed to move AWAY from the ball as he dived!

His distribution is also seriously lacking, but it's the footwork and positioning that's the main concern for me. 

He has, however, been a very welcome calming presence for us in the dying minutes of many a game as he's fairly good with crosses.

[richierich333]

May 30, 2018 11:38:23 GMT melynwy said:

May 29, 2018 9:14:53 GMT cadno said:

Hennessey is a class keeper.

I have to disagree with you here. He is a poor goalkeeper in my opinion.

If he had failed to save any of Mexico's shots, questions would be asked. A few of the saves were lucky breaks because of questionable positioning - two if not three times he was in no man's land but made a recovery save, and a better striker would have taken half a second longer to think and humiliated him. 

The main problem I think is his footwork - he's constantly diving from a static position that's too far away, and as such is often nowhere near the ball. As a result, it rarely looks like his fault, and he makes the shot look better than it was., Take Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarter finals - a better class of keeper would have taken a couple of steps to the right and caught it simply. Perhaps not even a need to dive for that one at that distance. Hennessey however dives from too far away even though he has time to shuffle across and makes it look like a screamer. Look at him playing for Palace and the same traits is in evidence. He concedes a lot of goals, but he rarely looks as fault. There was one a few week ago where his feet seemed to move AWAY from the ball as he dived!

His distribution is also seriously lacking, but it's the footwork and positioning that's the main concern for me. 

He has, however, been a very welcome calming presence for us in the dying minutes of many a game as he's fairly good with crosses.

I think you have gone TOO far the other way. 

[phillywelsh83]

May 30, 2018 11:45:45 GMT richierich333 said:

May 30, 2018 11:38:23 GMT melynwy said:

I have to disagree with you here. He is a poor goalkeeper in my opinion.

If he had failed to save any of Mexico's shots, questions would be asked. A few of the saves were lucky breaks because of questionable positioning - two if not three times he was in no man's land but made a recovery save, and a better striker would have taken half a second longer to think and humiliated him. 

The main problem I think is his footwork - he's constantly diving from a static position that's too far away, and as such is often nowhere near the ball. As a result, it rarely looks like his fault, and he makes the shot look better than it was., Take Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarter finals - a better class of keeper would have taken a couple of steps to the right and caught it simply. Perhaps not even a need to dive for that one at that distance. Hennessey however dives from too far away even though he has time to shuffle across and makes it look like a screamer. Look at him playing for Palace and the same traits is in evidence. He concedes a lot of goals, but he rarely looks as fault. There was one a few week ago where his feet seemed to move AWAY from the ball as he dived!

His distribution is also seriously lacking, but it's the footwork and positioning that's the main concern for me. 

He has, however, been a very welcome calming presence for us in the dying minutes of many a game as he's fairly good with crosses.

I think you have gone TOO far the other way. 

I agree, there is no way you can say he is a poor goalkeeper. He isnt world class, but hes a solid lower premier league, top championship goalkeeper. Hes always done a great job for Wales and can trust him. 

[welshdon]

May 30, 2018 11:38:23 GMT melynwy said:

May 29, 2018 9:14:53 GMT cadno said:

Hennessey is a class keeper.

I have to disagree with you here. He is a poor goalkeeper in my opinion.

If he had failed to save any of Mexico's shots, questions would be asked. A few of the saves were lucky breaks because of questionable positioning - two if not three times he was in no man's land but made a recovery save, and a better striker would have taken half a second longer to think and humiliated him. 

The main problem I think is his footwork - he's constantly diving from a static position that's too far away, and as such is often nowhere near the ball. As a result, it rarely looks like his fault, and he makes the shot look better than it was., Take Nainggolan's goal in the Euro quarter finals - a better class of keeper would have taken a couple of steps to the right and caught it simply. Perhaps not even a need to dive for that one at that distance. Hennessey however dives from too far away even though he has time to shuffle across and makes it look like a screamer. Look at him playing for Palace and the same traits is in evidence. He concedes a lot of goals, but he rarely looks as fault. There was one a few week ago where his feet seemed to move AWAY from the ball as he dived!

His distribution is also seriously lacking, but it's the footwork and positioning that's the main concern for me. 

He has, however, been a very welcome calming presence for us in the dying minutes of many a game as he's fairly good with crosses.


Spot on, the over the top accolades are embarrassing. He made himself look good by creating his own problems.

Although to be fair he is not poor just no where near the player he gets ladled with. 

[melynwy]

May 30, 2018 11:45:45 GMT richierich333 said:

May 30, 2018 11:38:23 GMT melynwy said:

I have to disagree with you here. He is a poor goalkeeper in my opinion.

I think you have gone TOO far the other way. 

Possibly, but I think he's one of the weakest links in this Wales team. As I said, he has a knack of not looking at fault, but the very basics of his game are lacking. Footwork and positioning is paramount for a goalkeeper - get that right and diving for the ball is truly a desperate last resort. The best goalkeepers very often seem to have many shot 'straight at them' - but really it's them being in the right place, or being able to quickly get to the right place with quick footwork. Hennessey is often in the wrong place and doesn't get near the ball, but his flying dive makes it look like a great shot, and then it doesn't look as though you can blame the keeper.  It really does surprise me that's he's played so much in the Premier League.

With a better keeper, three or four of those shots he saved would never have even been struck - the chance would have been dealt with sooner. Instead, Hennessey was caught in no-man's land numerous times, and managed a last ditch save.

[iot]

Agree with those who say he's not a top class keeper, but he's not as bad as some are making out either - he's at the right level with palace. Some fair points made above about how he tends to make some goals look better than they are, but to say he didn't play brilliantly against mexico is absolute rubbish. He did misjudge two balls, but he also saved two one-on-ones and at least two or three very good saves from long range strikes. He made two mistakes which led to chances, but to say all of their chances came from his mistakes is totally false.

[erasedcitizen]

More competition for Wayne...

Vicente Guaita: Crystal Palace sign Getafe goalkeeper on three-year deal

[phillywelsh83]

Jun 8, 2018 11:28:55 GMT erasedcitizen said:

More competition for Wayne...

Vicente Guaita: Crystal Palace sign Getafe goalkeeper on three-year deal

Be a good signing for Cardiff 

[welshiron]

Or Swansea

[cymroircarn]

Where do people think Hennessey sits compared to our other famous keepers?

Not in the league of Kelsey or Southall, probably not Sprake or Davies either.

Similar level to Paul Jones?

[welshiron]

He is better than Paul Jones

[derynglas]

Gary Sprake and Dai Davies club careers seem a bit better than Waynes but
they were different times before the foreign influx,dont think they were better keepers.
Nev was the best in the world for a while but for me Hennessey is not far off
at second in a Wales shirt simply because of what weve acheived with him
there and hes hardly put a foot wrong or made any costly mistakes in that time
to be fair.

[1gwaunview]

Jun 8, 2018 16:10:31 GMT derynglas said:

Gary Sprake and Dai Davies club careers seem a bit better than Waynes but
they were different times before the foreign influx,dont think they were better keepers.
Nev was the best in the world for a while but for me Hennessey is not far off
at second in a Wales shirt simply because of what weve acheived with him
there and hes hardly put a foot wrong or made any costly mistakes in that time
to be fair.

Don't forget Jack Kelsey our 1958 goalkeeper.  Brilliant keeper.  Used to catch crosses with one hand like Pat Jennings.
Got to be second to Nev in the list.

[phillywelsh83]

Big Nev was no.1! A world class keeper in his day.

[welshiron]

Nev was class but can never forget the howler against Romania

[cymroircarn]

Jun 9, 2018 10:38:09 GMT 1gwaunview said:

Jun 8, 2018 16:10:31 GMT derynglas said:

Gary Sprake and Dai Davies club careers seem a bit better than Waynes but
they were different times before the foreign influx,dont think they were better keepers.
Nev was the best in the world for a while but for me Hennessey is not far off
at second in a Wales shirt simply because of what weve acheived with him
there and hes hardly put a foot wrong or made any costly mistakes in that time
to be fair.

Don't forget Jack Kelsey our 1958 goalkeeper.  Brilliant keeper.  Used to catch crosses with one hand like Pat Jennings.
Got to be second to Nev in the list.

Yes, hence I mentioned Southall and Kelsey in my initial post.

I guess Wayne is then “best of the rest”?

[cadno]

He's certainly up there with Southall and Kelsey.

[quetzal]

Jun 11, 2018 12:02:42 GMT welshiron said:

Nev was class but can never forget the howler against Romania

Nev had a howler against Yugoslavia too soon n a massive game. Still was a great player for Wales

[cymroircarn]

Jun 12, 2018 11:08:04 GMT cadno said:

He's certainly up there with Southall and Kelsey.

Really?

Nev was classed as World Class in his time.

Kelsey played in a great Arsenal and Wales side.

Hennessey is not in the same class as these two but is certainly best of the rest.

[cadno]

Jun 12, 2018 15:16:30 GMT cymroircarn said:

Jun 12, 2018 11:08:04 GMT cadno said:

He's certainly up there with Southall and Kelsey.

Really?

Nev was classed as World Class in his time.

Kelsey played in a great Arsenal and Wales side.

Hennessey is not in the same class as these two but is certainly best of the rest.

I agree, I'd put Hennessey up there for Wales though. Look at the amount of caps he has, and I can't remember him making many mistakes for us. He's made a number of crucial saves over the years.

[dlwilliams]

Wayne Hennessey: Wales goalkeeper signs new Crystal Palace deal

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44248681

[holmesdaleultra]

Wayne MOTM today in our win against Fulham,pulled off a number of good saves.

[Albert]

Aug 23, 2018 21:43:51 GMT robin1864 said:

Hennessy is a day younger than Ledley and a keeper. ! He deserves a bit of slack considering he's our only premiership keeper and up against some of the best players in the world week in week out! We're lucky to have him .