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Post by BA Baracus on Sept 14, 2011 14:21:26 GMT
Gary Speed made a passing refrence to him in an interview last week. So he's obviously on his radar.
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 14, 2011 14:33:26 GMT
Gary Speed made a passing refrence to him in an interview last week. So he's obviously on his radar. well thats great stuff! |
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 14, 2011 14:35:02 GMT
Or you could just stand up for yourselves and not be so precious? As for the board dying, I thought there were more new members posting more often (even if it was about a Welsh cricket team  ) iv'e never seen you start a thread that was ridiculed, try it though its annoying |
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Post by muaythai on Sept 14, 2011 16:26:25 GMT
Or you could just stand up for yourselves and not be so precious? As for the board dying, I thought there were more new members posting more often (even if it was about a Welsh cricket team ) believe me mate i am not precious and standing up for myself is not a problem on a board or in reality. Grow up |
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Post by muaythai on Sept 14, 2011 16:27:50 GMT
Or you could just stand up for yourselves and not be so precious? As for the board dying, I thought there were more new members posting more often (even if it was about a Welsh cricket team ) iv'e never seen you start a thread that was ridiculed, try it though its annoying mate the guy is a lost cause stuck in his own little internet bubble. |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 14, 2011 17:22:13 GMT
We don't want another Collison-esque saga over this lad's future. Get him in the squad v Switzerland, give him 30 seconds at the end. Boom, future sorted, minimal risk. If he turns out to be mediocre, we've lost nothing, but if he becomes a world-beater and defects to England, we'll be absolutely kicking ourselves.
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Post by muaythai on Sept 14, 2011 18:12:13 GMT
more twitter reaction about Joniesta:
Mickey_Tee74 Mickey T
@robbiesavage8 keep an eye on Jon Williams at cpfc. Been with us since age of 8 and going to have a big future. You heard it here first.
neilthefish Neil Thefish
@adgstreet "Jon Williams was good, him and Stuart O'Keefe have come into the team and were fantastic." - Dougie's words.
Adam_Jones84 Adam Jones
Great result for Palace. Jon Williams, one for the future. @official_CPFC
eaamalyon Ed Malyon
by TheRealJayC
I'd like to say this now so I can say 'I told you so' in a few years. Jon Williams of Crystal Palace WILL be special. Marvellous talent.
Billynic Billy Nicholson
Jon williams = next big thing @official_CPFC #cpfc
ADGStreet Andy Street
Jon Williams is going to be a player. Blimey. #cpfc
Cunners23 Dan C
Jonny Williams is going to be some player. Jon, Jon, Jon, Jon, Jon Jon Jon Jon Jon Jon Jon #joniesta
paulstevens1973 Paul Stevens
Jon Williams is going to be some player - debut goal tonight against Wigan #joniesta
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Post by stu on Sept 14, 2011 19:12:06 GMT
ADGStreet Andy Street Dear football world, Jon Williams is rubbish. Ignore him as he'll never amount to anything. Don't bother even watching him. Ta. Someone wants him all to themselves. twitter.com/#!/search/%23cpfc |
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Post by muaythai on Sept 14, 2011 20:08:00 GMT
ADGStreet Andy Street Dear football world, Jon Williams is rubbish. Ignore him as he'll never amount to anything. Don't bother even watching him. Ta. Someone wants him all to themselves. twitter.com/#!/search/%23cpfc seen fans saying they hope he switches to england aswell and is considered a local lad... |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 14, 2011 20:17:51 GMT
Speedo - call him up! Speedo, Speedo call him up!
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 14, 2011 21:22:35 GMT
seen fans saying they hope he switches to england aswell and is considered a local lad...
He ain't a local lad from Croydon he is from Tonbridge which is about 30 miles away
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Post by muaythai on Sept 15, 2011 5:07:48 GMT
seen fans saying they hope he switches to england aswell and is considered a local lad... He ain't a local lad from Croydon he is from Tonbridge which is about 30 miles away still classing him as a local lad the palace fans are |
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Post by stu on Sept 15, 2011 7:22:07 GMT
He's been with them since he was 8 hasn't he? So I hope they get some cash for him and that he plays for Welsh. Hopefully he'll have been called a sheep shagger by the racist inglish his whole life and has his heart set on playing for the greater fatherland.
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Post by BA Baracus on Sept 15, 2011 8:36:35 GMT
Greater Fatherland sounds a bit like Nazi Germany.
How about Land of His Fathers?
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Post by muaythai on Sept 15, 2011 13:30:27 GMT
lmao
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Post by stu on Sept 16, 2011 11:06:53 GMT
Greater Fatherland sounds a bit like Nazi Germany. How about Land of His Fathers? Actually that belief stems from English anti-Nazi propaganda from WW2. Don't let them divide us, it's only a short step to conquest after that. In fact many countries refer to their homeland as their fatherland. I stand by my initial comment of "Greater Fatherland" when referring to Wales. |
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Post by BA Baracus on Sept 16, 2011 11:36:12 GMT
Greater Fatherland sounds a bit like Nazi Germany. How about Land of His Fathers? Actually that belief stems from English anti-Nazi propaganda from WW2. Don't let them divide us, it's only a short step to conquest after that. In fact many countries refer to their homeland as their fatherland. I stand by my initial comment of "Greater Fatherland" when referring to Wales. You'll be telling us that "Hitler was misunderstood" next  |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 16, 2011 11:52:21 GMT
I couldn't give a hoot about the English (or Welsh) cricket teams (hence the rolly eye face) and that's not the point here. The point here is the accusation that the board is dying...which is bollocks I reckon...because people might get offended by a few sarcastic comments. |
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Post by stu on Sept 16, 2011 11:52:52 GMT
No the two comments are completely unrelated. The English took the term vaterland which means fatherland or homeland and used it in their propaganda. The term fatherland should not be allowed to be twisted into a bad context. The list of countries that use that term is huge, just because the English don't use it doesn't mean we shouldn't. If anything it should make us want to use it more.  So this Joniesta then... |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 16, 2011 12:03:09 GMT
Greater Fatherland sounds a bit like Nazi Germany. How about Land of His Fathers? Actually that belief stems from English anti-Nazi propaganda from WW2. Don't let them divide us, it's only a short step to conquest after that. In fact many countries refer to their homeland as their fatherland.I stand by my initial comment of "Greater Fatherland" when referring to Wales. Bolded bit is the only bit I agree with. Rest is rubbish. The anti-Nazi propaganda was not 'English', it was found widely throughout all countries in the allied coalition and France. And rightly so, because the Nazis were doing the same about us (when they weren't producing anti-semitic propaganda that is). |
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Post by stu on Sept 16, 2011 12:50:24 GMT
I couldn't give a hoot about the English (or Welsh) cricket teams (hence the rolly eye face) and that's not the point here. The point here is the accusation that the board is dying...which is bollocks I reckon...because people might get offended by a few sarcastic comments. Well since I didn't start that thread then I don't see why you were implying otherwise. And for someone that doesn't care about it you were quite vocal in your pro English cricket posts. Actually that belief stems from English anti-Nazi propaganda from WW2. Don't let them divide us, it's only a short step to conquest after that. In fact many countries refer to their homeland as their fatherland.I stand by my initial comment of "Greater Fatherland" when referring to Wales. Bolded bit is the only bit I agree with. Rest is rubbish. The anti-Nazi propaganda was not 'English', it was found widely throughout all countries in the allied coalition and France. And rightly so, because the Nazis were doing the same about us (when they weren't producing anti-semitic propaganda that is). Bolding doesn't work in quotes but I can guess what you are referring to. The reason I mentioned the English is because as a direct translation vaterland (homeland) was translated to fatherland, hence the negative connotations and links with the nazis. I'm sure that had the English had a history of referring to England as their fatherland (as many countries do, including us) then they wouldn't have made such a fuss about it. The comparisons are there if you want to see them, or not in my case. I don't care about the world wars as they happened a long time before I was born and I'd much rather my children be taught history from a Welsh perspective in school rather than the anglo centric bullshit that was forced upon me. I just hope Joniesta plays for the greater fatherland. |
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Post by welshorp on Sept 17, 2011 7:18:57 GMT
What nationality is joniestas parents mum welsh and dad or just welsh mum. I really can see him doing a hargreaves to us if he has an English dad
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Post by ontheroadagain on Sept 20, 2011 19:40:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 22:13:19 GMT
Does the lad himself get any say in who he plays for?! Instead of fast tracking him into squads at a ridiculous age why dont we wait and see who he chooses. If he chooses England because he feels English then fair enough.
He should have the choice at the end of the day rather than be coerced into making a decision using an early first team cap as bait.
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 20, 2011 22:49:21 GMT
Maybe its not an 'early first team cap as bait' though? Maybe he deserves to be in the squad on merit? I think so. They've just put one of the championships top teams out the league cup tonight and it was Wigan in the last round. Virtually every time he plays for Palace they win and he makes a telling contribution. In the not too distant past a player that good would have had 10 Welsh caps by now!! Remember the likes of Paul Evans and Marcus Browning getting called up?!
Who needs Rhys Williams when we've got Johnny Williams?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2011 23:07:18 GMT
Maybe its not an 'early first team cap as bait' though? Maybe he deserves to be in the squad on merit? I think so. They've just put one of the championships top teams out the league cup tonight and it was Wigan in the last round. Virtually every time he plays for Palace they win and he makes a telling contribution. In the not too distant past a player that good would have had 10 Welsh caps by now!! Remember the likes of Paul Evans and Marcus Browning getting called up?! Who needs Rhys Williams when we've got Johnny Williams? I would rather hear him declare himself as Welsh first. We are getting ourselves all worked up again (as usual) over a 17 year old when we dont even know who he wants to play for. |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 21, 2011 1:34:07 GMT
Still think we should be approaching him now, if we haven't already. Make it known we're interested. I'm sure Flynn has alerted Speed to his ability.
He would be silly to declare for England, their players are built up and then vilified by their press and unless you are consistently excellent and lucky with injuries it is hard to stay in their squad. With Wales although the chances of playing at a finals are much lower it will probably be better for his career and much less stressful.
Of course, as storm says, what matters is where his feelings lie. If he feels 100% English and not one bit Welsh, then he should play for England. But if he has some national feeling for us he should commit to us. It will be much better for him, in my view. And if not then why is he playing for our under-21s?
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Post by jonathandearth on Sept 21, 2011 10:20:06 GMT
Understandably he's pulled out of today's U19 qualifier - anyone knows if he will be back for the other 2 matches this week?
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 21, 2011 11:09:02 GMT
Well, its not a surprise he's pulled out of the U19s now he's part of the first team picture at Palace.
And considering he's played for Welsh youth international teams since he was 14 I very much presume he wants to play for us. It just a question of whether he merits a place in the squad at this point. I say yes.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Sept 21, 2011 12:16:50 GMT
Gutted he's out of the 19's but hopefully he may be going out for the other games. We are
2-0 down against Belgium :-(
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