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Post by joseywales37 on Jan 5, 2018 13:46:53 GMT
Must be a typo, 1300 maybe, unless the other 11,700 were painted onto the terraces. Yeh can imagine 13,000 turning up for Welsh prem game lol, anyway my bad, lesson for future. That's a great idea tho painting faces onto terraces haha |
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Post by marsvolta on May 12, 2018 15:17:44 GMT
What is the reason for the Merthyr fans not wanting to go into the WPL? Is it because they consider their current league is a higher standard? Or a different reason?
I only watched one Merthyr game last year,away at Paulton Rovers, and the standard seemed lower than the WPL.
As I said, I only watched one single game so I’m far from in a good place to judge.
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Post by robin1864 on May 12, 2018 16:13:41 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs.
Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question.
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Post by fiveattheback on May 12, 2018 16:49:18 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Imagine comparing Merthyr to Cardiff or Swansea. |
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Post by robin1864 on May 12, 2018 17:07:23 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Imagine comparing Merthyr to Cardiff or Swansea. They have the opportunity to reach Cardiff or Swansea's standard in the English system though, something that you can't replicate in the Welsh system. |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 12, 2018 18:20:08 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Genuine question, when was the last time Merthyr reached the 3rd round for the chance to play one of the big boys? Would playing in Europe, with a shorter route to play the big boys not be an attractive proposition? |
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Post by robin1864 on May 12, 2018 18:33:18 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Genuine question, when was the last time Merthyr reached the 3rd round for the chance to play one of the big boys? Would playing in Europe, with a shorter route to play the big boys not be an attractive proposition? Not a clue, but the English league system offers a depth of quality that the Welsh system can't match, with or without our biggest clubs in it. Given the European opposition is quite often lacking in quality, no. Bradford City would be a far more appealing proposition than Flora Tallinn. |
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Post by derynglas on May 12, 2018 20:22:37 GMT
Some Merthyr Town fans with a flag at the Cardiff Met-Barry play off today.
A sign of things to come,perhaps?Who knows!
All the independant football nation hype at the Euros (how we all laughed
when Iceland beat England). And yet in club football,many people seem to have
a blind spot about it and dont see independance as desirable let alon possible.
I wouldnt argue for the League clubs to join.
But the WPL guarantees our place in international football. If Merthyr,Colwyn,
or even Wrexham wanted to join this,great. If not ,good luck in the future. But
why argue against it,on a Wales football forum,given its importance?
As the blog says,Merthyr have gone bust twice trying to rise up the leagues,with
the fans left to pick up the pieces.
The S4C television coverage,Euro money (eye watering for clubs at this level) ,
an £30k each for the academies,are all factors to be considered.
After next season the FAW is taking over the running of the HG Alliance and the
Welsh league division 1 becoming Championship North and south effectively
Division 2 of the WPL.Interesting times ahead.
Bradford more appealing than Tallinn?-maybe not!
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Post by welshiron on May 12, 2018 20:56:40 GMT
Some Merthyr Town fans with a flag at the Cardiff Met-Barry play off today. A sign of things to come,perhaps?Who knows! All the independant football nation hype at the Euros (how we all laughed when Iceland beat England). And yet in club football,many people seem to have a blind spot about it and dont see independance as desirable let alon possible. I wouldnt argue for the League clubs to join. But the WPL guarantees our place in international football. If Merthyr,Colwyn, or even Wrexham wanted to join this,great. If not ,good luck in the future. But why argue against it,on a Wales football forum,given its importance? As the blog says,Merthyr have gone bust twice trying to rise up the leagues,with the fans left to pick up the pieces. The S4C television coverage,Euro money (eye watering for clubs at this level) , an £30k each for the academies,are all factors to be considered. After next season the FAW is taking over the running of the HG Alliance and the Welsh league division 1 becoming Championship North and south effectively Division 2 of the WPL.Interesting times ahead. Bradford more appealing than Tallinn?-maybe not! Great post. They could start in div 3 of the Welsh league and havexa derby with Penydarren to look forward to it. |
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Post by fiveattheback on May 12, 2018 23:35:45 GMT
Imagine comparing Merthyr to Cardiff or Swansea. They have the opportunity to reach Cardiff or Swansea's standard in the English system though, something that you can't replicate in the Welsh system. They are a semi pro team with a long history of financial troubles who currently play in leagues even Football Manager don't cover. The only way they'll reach Cardiff or Swansea's level is if Bill Gates took over |
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Post by fiveattheback on May 12, 2018 23:38:45 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Genuine question, when was the last time Merthyr reached the 3rd round for the chance to play one of the big boys? Would playing in Europe, with a shorter route to play the big boys not be an attractive proposition? According to Wikipedia, never. Merthyr Town only reached the Second Round once (back in the 30s) and Merthyr Tydfil only reached the Second Round 5 times (1946, 1954, 1973, 1979, 1990) This is Wikipeida mind |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 13, 2018 6:59:03 GMT
Genuine question, when was the last time Merthyr reached the 3rd round for the chance to play one of the big boys? Would playing in Europe, with a shorter route to play the big boys not be an attractive proposition? According to Wikipedia, never. Merthyr Town only reached the Second Round once (back in the 30s) and Merthyr Tydfil only reached the Second Round 5 times (1946, 1954, 1973, 1979, 1990) This is Wikipeida mind Thanks So hoping to one day get to round 3 to play a big team is their greatest ambition, something they are yet to achieve in their history (even when they were a lot more successful thank they are now) according to Wikipedia? I still dream of playin for Wales one day, never played football at any level but never retired, sounds like a fair comparison? 😂 |
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Post by leggybach on May 13, 2018 10:06:29 GMT
Euro money (eye watering for clubs at this level) Can someone tell me where they get this info from? I remember speaking to Andy Legg when he was at Llanelli saying that the club had to win the first tie just to break even. You only really get rewarded after winning 2 ties, as the cost of travelling, bonuses etc, almost match the prize money for just competing there. (This was the season after they played in Tbilisi, so I guess that was a bit more expensive to get to). I'd be interested to know if this has changed. |
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Post by derynglas on May 13, 2018 11:04:20 GMT
I would say it has increased quite a bit since Andy Legg and Llanelli's last involvement 6 years ago.
I saw an estimate that TNS who won a tie in the CL last summer earned around £1m.
Bala,Bangor and Connahs Quay who went out in the 1st round of the Europa League just over £200k.
The Merthyr blog which looks well researched says champions will be guaranteed 800k euros this
season as off course they will go into the Europa league if/when eliminated.
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Post by saints19 on May 13, 2018 12:40:36 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Of course on the flip side in England you may very well find yourself playing in the lower reaches of the non-league pyramid and never making any progress. There is always a chance you might, like Newport, but then again all it takes for Newport is a few bad decisions and they're back in the Conference South or worse. To suggest that playing in the Premier League is at all a realistic ambition for Merthyr when there's about 120 clubs closer to that goal than them is a bit deluded. It did happen for Cardiff and Swansea and Newport have also reached a better standard of football than the WPL for the time being but that is not the rule for teams in the English system. I would guess that there is some appeal to the Merthyr board if the rumours are true of the European money which is rumoured to be £200,000 simply for playing in the Europa League (Champions' League is more). Of course, that is hardly guaranteed either which is why I'm treating the whole thing with scepticism. I doubt it will actually happen, but would be delighted if it did as it would be one step closer to a proper Welsh Premier League with all the teams in Wales in it. |
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Post by saints19 on May 13, 2018 12:43:41 GMT
Euro money (eye watering for clubs at this level) Can someone tell me where they get this info from? I remember speaking to Andy Legg when he was at Llanelli saying that the club had to win the first tie just to break even. You only really get rewarded after winning 2 ties, as the cost of travelling, bonuses etc, almost match the prize money for just competing there. (This was the season after they played in Tbilisi, so I guess that was a bit more expensive to get to). I'd be interested to know if this has changed. Trvelling/bonuses would take up some of the money. But prize money for Europa League round 1 is £200k. It would not take up all of that, about £20-30k perhaps. That leaves you with a huge amount of money to invest, more probably than an FA Cup run. Financially you can see the attraction but if Merthyr did switch it would not be guaranteed they would be European contenders. |
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Post by conwy10 on May 14, 2018 20:23:53 GMT
Imagine using the "WPL is equal to X league, so you should give up your place in England" line on Cardiff/Swansea fans ffs. Unless you were some sort of Royston Vasey hypernationalist type, why join the WPL when it's standard might only ever be equal to the Conference on a good day, when you have the opportunity to play Arsenal, City, United in the Premier League? Serious question. Of course on the flip side in England you may very well find yourself playing in the lower reaches of the non-league pyramid and never making any progress. There is always a chance you might, like Newport, but then again all it takes for Newport is a few bad decisions and they're back in the Conference South or worse. To suggest that playing in the Premier League is at all a realistic ambition for Merthyr when there's about 120 clubs closer to that goal than them is a bit deluded. It did happen for Cardiff and Swansea and Newport have also reached a better standard of football than the WPL for the time being but that is not the rule for teams in the English system. I would guess that there is some appeal to the Merthyr board if the rumours are true of the European money which is rumoured to be £200,000 simply for playing in the Europa League (Champions' League is more). Of course, that is hardly guaranteed either which is why I'm treating the whole thing with scepticism. I doubt it will actually happen, but would be delighted if it did as it would be one step closer to a proper Welsh Premier League with all the teams in Wales in it. Didn’t Newport go up because a fan won the Euro Millions? Not sure how much of this is true, just something I heard, but I don’t think he directly invested but promised to cover losses which was a safety net to gamble on players. Not knocking Newport though, sometimes you just need things to go your way to advance. If it is true it’s a huge slice of luck. |
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Post by BA Baracus on May 15, 2018 10:22:07 GMT
It should be seriously considered by both Merthyr and Colwyn Bay.
Merthyr have got a track record of boom and bust and maybe the WPL route would give them some proper stability.
Colwyn Bay got to the Conference North some five years ago, one division below Wrexham. They were punching well above their weight in that division. Crowds remained pretty static, in the hundreds. Can't see it happening again any day soon. They haven't had a decent FA Cup run in 20years either.
ALso, though not guaranteed, I can see both teams giving TNS a decent run for their money.
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Post by welshiron on May 15, 2018 10:39:06 GMT
It should be seriously considered by both Merthyr and Colwyn Bay. Merthyr have got a track record of boom and bust and maybe the WPL route would give them some proper stability. Colwyn Bay got to the Conference North some five years ago, one division below Wrexham. They were punching well above their weight in that division. Crowds remained pretty static, in the hundreds. Can't see it happening again any day soon. They haven't had a decent FA Cup run in 20years either. ALso, though not guaranteed, I can see both teams giving TNS a decent run for their money. Not sure what Colwyn Bay would bring to the league but I would imagine now would be the time to come across with the league structure changing. For example Welsh league div 1 may only have 15 teams next season and there could be an opportunity to shoehorn Merthyr in there. However vi suspect they may have to start in div 3 as Barry and Llanelli had to. As for boom and bust this will only change if they stop paying players what they can't afford |
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Post by ystradwales on May 15, 2018 10:51:40 GMT
I think that Merthyr (and Colwyn Bay to a lesser extent) would only consider changing to the Welsh league if they were automatically entered into the Welsh Premier League, which I can't see being agreed to by all members of the Welsh Football League Pyramid.
I can see the financial benefits to Merthyr and for the WPL in terms of increased competition, interest and fan base (think Merthyr's average crowd over the past few years has been circa 400) but because they would want to be entered straight into the WPL I can't see this ever happening
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Post by BA Baracus on May 15, 2018 10:59:33 GMT
It should be seriously considered by both Merthyr and Colwyn Bay. Merthyr have got a track record of boom and bust and maybe the WPL route would give them some proper stability. Colwyn Bay got to the Conference North some five years ago, one division below Wrexham. They were punching well above their weight in that division. Crowds remained pretty static, in the hundreds. Can't see it happening again any day soon. They haven't had a decent FA Cup run in 20years either. ALso, though not guaranteed, I can see both teams giving TNS a decent run for their money. Not sure what Colwyn Bay would bring to the league but I would imagine now would be the time to come across with the league structure changing. For example Welsh league div 1 may only have 15 teams next season and there could be an opportunity to shoehorn Merthyr in there. However vi suspect they may have to start in div 3 as Barry and Llanelli had to. As for boom and bust this will only change if they stop paying players what they can't afford I get the impression the blazers at Colwyn Bay are pretty entrenched against coming back into the Welsh system. To some extent it's justifiable as the FAW were pretty heavy-handed in the way they went about forming the League of Wales. The WPL has come long way since those days though. And the FAW too. |
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Post by welshiron on May 15, 2018 11:11:47 GMT
I think that Merthyr (and Colwyn Bay to a lesser extent) would only consider changing to the Welsh league if they were automatically entered into the Welsh Premier League, which I can't see being agreed to by all members of the Welsh Football League Pyramid. I can see the financial benefits to Merthyr and for the WPL in terms of increased competition, interest and fan base (think Merthyr's average crowd over the past few years has been circa 400) but because they would want to be entered straight into the WPL I can't see this ever happening The only way would be to extend the league by a couple of teams, maybe even 4 and that might placate the other teams looking to go up. |
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Post by derynglas on May 15, 2018 12:11:50 GMT
Ive been arguing for a 14 club league for some time but thats another story.
If we look at what happened when clubs left England after the LOW was formed,
Rhyl who applied too late for the inaugral season were placed in the Cymru alliance,
(step 2) and Barry Town were placed in the Welsh league division 1 in 1993.
Caernarfon who left in 1996 said they wouldnt return unless they went straight
into the LOW and the FAW caved in on that occasion and the league had 21 clubs that season.
What happened with Barry and Llanelli starting in division 3 in 2013 may not be replicated on
this occasion with the FAW executive taking over the cymru alliance and the WL Division 1
to become championship north and south effectively part of the WPL.Probably they could put
the new clubs straight into this division without going through the FAW council and I think
they should.
As for going straight into the WPL thats for the FAW to decide but Id imagine clubs like
Rhyl and Bangor whove been in the Welsh system for 25 years may be a little peeved to say the
least if Colwyn Bay leapfrogged the straight into the top division.
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Post by garynysmon on May 16, 2018 10:25:00 GMT
Not sure what Colwyn Bay would bring to the league but I would imagine now would be the time to come across with the league structure changing. For example Welsh league div 1 may only have 15 teams next season and there could be an opportunity to shoehorn Merthyr in there. However vi suspect they may have to start in div 3 as Barry and Llanelli had to. As for boom and bust this will only change if they stop paying players what they can't afford I get the impression the blazers at Colwyn Bay are pretty entrenched against coming back into the Welsh system. To some extent it's justifiable as the FAW were pretty heavy-handed in the way they went about forming the League of Wales. The WPL has come long way since those days though. And the FAW too. I can see the benefits of bringing Merthyr into the fold, but honestly, Colwyn Bay are just a non entity aren't they? Not sure I'd want to see any clubs booted out to make way for them. |
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Post by BA Baracus on May 16, 2018 10:46:07 GMT
I get the impression the blazers at Colwyn Bay are pretty entrenched against coming back into the Welsh system. To some extent it's justifiable as the FAW were pretty heavy-handed in the way they went about forming the League of Wales. The WPL has come long way since those days though. And the FAW too. I can see the benefits of bringing Merthyr into the fold, but honestly, Colwyn Bay are just a non entity aren't they? Not sure I'd want to see any clubs booted out to make way for them. Agree that nobody should be booted out to make way for them, but why do you say they're a non-entity? |
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Post by garynysmon on May 16, 2018 10:59:39 GMT
I just don't feel they'd bring much to the table tbh. Merthyr are a club with history and a fanbase, not sure anyone can say the same about Colwyn Bay.
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Post by BA Baracus on May 16, 2018 11:43:40 GMT
I just don't feel they'd bring much to the table tbh. Merthyr are a club with history and a fanbase, not sure anyone can say the same about Colwyn Bay. Bit harsh. You could say the same about TNS (including their previous incarnations) or Cardiff Met, maybe other WPL sides. Besides, shouldn't it be a case of trying to get them all on board rather than dismissing them for their lack of history? Sounds like they pull in the same fan numbers as Merthyr do (from what someone posted above). About the same as Bangor City down the coast too? I imagine, if it ever was to happen with Merthyr and CB, there'd have to be some serious compromises on the table and some bitter pills being swallowed from those two and the clubs within the Welsh system ...like the Good Friday Agreement ;-) It's a real shame there's little appetite for it or any diplomacy that could lead to it. As the Merthyr blog skirts on, the 'low standard of football in the WPL' argument put forward by the Merthyr fans is a pretty poor one. The only real argument for not moving over is money, that's the bottom line for Cardiff and Swansea, Wrexham and Newport. Diwedd y gan yw'r geiniog. Can't see that being the case for Merthyr and CB. |
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Post by cynonvalley on Jan 24, 2022 1:28:42 GMT
Bottom of their league, lost to Met Police...
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 24, 2022 9:40:01 GMT
Bottom of their league, lost to Met Police... Relegation to the 8th tier on the cards, not good for them. What would be the difference in money for them if they were in the 8th tier vs if they were in the Cymru South? |
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