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Post by manulike on May 26, 2019 13:50:18 GMT
Just to bring a ray of sunshine into nwcherries Bank Holiday ;-) |
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Post by cymruramdcfc on May 26, 2019 15:30:06 GMT
What's with Bournemouth.. bit of a love in for Welsh players ... bale be next linked 🤣🤣
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Post by pendragon on May 26, 2019 19:25:45 GMT
Looks like we've got our own Welsh academy in the Premier League 👍
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2019 20:37:18 GMT
Looks like we've got our own Welsh academy in the Premier League 👍 Connor won't be happy if they're sticking him in an academy after he's played 100 games of senior football. |
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Post by pendragon on May 26, 2019 21:15:21 GMT
Looks like we've got our own Welsh academy in the Premier League 👍 Connor won't be happy if they're sticking him in an academy after he's played 100 games of senior football. Just a tongue in cheek comment. I'm sure he'd be flattered to hear Bournemouth might potentially be interested in him. |
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Post by nwcherries on May 28, 2019 9:55:34 GMT
Exactly the type of player we need. A few Cherries fans mentioned him at the start of the season, but I didn't know too much about him. Has had a great season though, and has all the attributes to succeed at the top level.
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Post by richierich333 on May 28, 2019 12:38:51 GMT
Swansea won't have any players left soon.
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Post by holmesdaleultra on May 28, 2019 21:29:33 GMT
Exactly the type of player we need. A few Cherries fans mentioned him at the start of the season, but I didn't know too much about him. Has had a great season though, and has all the attributes to succeed at the top level. Genuine question how can Bournemouth afford all these multi million pound signings when the ground holds 11,000? Surely they are going to breach yet again financial fair play rules. |
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Post by zenith on May 28, 2019 22:08:34 GMT
Exactly the type of player we need. A few Cherries fans mentioned him at the start of the season, but I didn't know too much about him. Has had a great season though, and has all the attributes to succeed at the top level. Genuine question how can Bournemouth afford all these multi million pound signings when the ground holds 11,000? Surely they are going to breach yet again financial fair play rules. Bournemouth would easily take in an income of around £100m per season in the Premier League. Their current wage budget wouldn't come anywhere near that per annum, transfer fees might but wouldn't far eclipse it. FL and PL FFP are two massively different areas. |
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Post by cymroircarn on May 29, 2019 7:23:18 GMT
Genuine question how can Bournemouth afford all these multi million pound signings when the ground holds 11,000? Surely they are going to breach yet again financial fair play rules. Bournemouth would easily take in an income of around £100m per season in the Premier League. Their current wage budget wouldn't come anywhere near that per annum, transfer fees might but wouldn't far eclipse it. FL and PL FFP are two massively different areas. According to this article their wage bill in 2018 was just over £100 million a year www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bournemouth-wages-up-by-42-6770gx5tq |
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Post by nwcherries on May 29, 2019 9:14:38 GMT
Exactly the type of player we need. A few Cherries fans mentioned him at the start of the season, but I didn't know too much about him. Has had a great season though, and has all the attributes to succeed at the top level. Genuine question how can Bournemouth afford all these multi million pound signings when the ground holds 11,000? Surely they are going to breach yet again financial fair play rules. We can afford most of these signings just as long as we stay in the league; no chance of failing FFP but I don't think it's a particularly safe way of conducting business. The supporters have been desperate for a bigger stadium for about 5 years now, but the club is pretty poor at communication regarding this. I suppose the thought process is that we're only really signing players that could have a massive sell-on value, so we would hopefully not be completely f***ed if we went down. |
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Post by zenith on May 29, 2019 11:17:24 GMT
Bournemouth would easily take in an income of around £100m per season in the Premier League. Their current wage budget wouldn't come anywhere near that per annum, transfer fees might but wouldn't far eclipse it. FL and PL FFP are two massively different areas. According to this article their wage bill in 2018 was just over £100 million a year www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bournemouth-wages-up-by-42-6770gx5tqAverage weekly wage of £80-100k per player. Can't see that at Bournemouth, Christ. Unless those wages take into account every single person who works for the club, including the tea lady. |
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Post by insertname on May 29, 2019 11:44:27 GMT
Genuine question how can Bournemouth afford all these multi million pound signings when the ground holds 11,000? Surely they are going to breach yet again financial fair play rules. We can afford most of these signings just as long as we stay in the league; no chance of failing FFP but I don't think it's a particularly safe way of conducting business. The supporters have been desperate for a bigger stadium for about 5 years now, but the club is pretty poor at communication regarding this. I suppose the thought process is that we're only really signing players that could have a massive sell-on value, so we would hopefully not be completely f***ed if we went down. If you do go down the EFL are going to be waiting for you with bared teeth aren't they after you broke the FFP rules in order to get promoted? Because of that I've never got the media love-in with Bournemouth, being in the Premiership is a good story only for Bournemouth fans. There is nothing romantic about spending beyond your means and breaking the rules in order to reach the promised land. |
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Post by nwcherries on May 29, 2019 15:33:49 GMT
We can afford most of these signings just as long as we stay in the league; no chance of failing FFP but I don't think it's a particularly safe way of conducting business. The supporters have been desperate for a bigger stadium for about 5 years now, but the club is pretty poor at communication regarding this. I suppose the thought process is that we're only really signing players that could have a massive sell-on value, so we would hopefully not be completely f***ed if we went down. If you do go down the EFL are going to be waiting for you with bared teeth aren't they after you broke the FFP rules in order to get promoted? Because of that I've never got the media love-in with Bournemouth, being in the Premiership is a good story only for Bournemouth fans. There is nothing romantic about spending beyond your means and breaking the rules in order to reach the promised land. We've already paid all of our fines from FFP (unlike QPR), so they shouldn't have any problems with us. Personally, I don't really understand how we broke FFP and how we accrued such high losses; we only spent £1.1 million net on transfers, which was like the 10th highest in the league. Hardly an unfair competitive advantage, is it? I'm sure there were some dodgy internal bonuses that contributed to it or something, and obviously having a small stadium doesn't help, but I don't really see how what we did was "morally wrong" per se, we had one of the smallest squads in the league, and our total squad value was in the bottom 4 in the league. Again, it's not like we bought the league or anything. This is what EH said on the matter; you're welcome to call BS and just call us cheaters, if you want, but I definitely think FFP has some room for improvement in this respect at least. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on May 29, 2019 21:30:46 GMT
Genuine question how can Bournemouth afford all these multi million pound signings when the ground holds 11,000? Surely they are going to breach yet again financial fair play rules. Bournemouth would easily take in an income of around £100m per season in the Premier League. Their current wage budget wouldn't come anywhere near that per annum, transfer fees might but wouldn't far eclipse it. FL and PL FFP are two massively different areas. Thanks for making it clear. Its good to see a team like Bournemouth in the premiership though and investing in Welsh players. |
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Post by fiveattheback on May 30, 2019 16:16:49 GMT
If you do go down the EFL are going to be waiting for you with bared teeth aren't they after you broke the FFP rules in order to get promoted? Because of that I've never got the media love-in with Bournemouth, being in the Premiership is a good story only for Bournemouth fans. There is nothing romantic about spending beyond your means and breaking the rules in order to reach the promised land. We've already paid all of our fines from FFP (unlike QPR), so they shouldn't have any problems with us. Personally, I don't really understand how we broke FFP and how we accrued such high losses; we only spent £1.1 million net on transfers, which was like the 10th highest in the league. Hardly an unfair competitive advantage, is it? I'm sure there were some dodgy internal bonuses that contributed to it or something, and obviously having a small stadium doesn't help, but I don't really see how what we did was "morally wrong" per se, we had one of the smallest squads in the league, and our total squad value was in the bottom 4 in the league. Again, it's not like we bought the league or anything. This is what EH said on the matter; you're welcome to call BS and just call us cheaters, if you want, but I definitely think FFP has some room for improvement in this respect at least. You made a loss of almost £40m, spending £30m on staff wages with a turnover of just £13m |
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Post by insertname on May 30, 2019 17:35:57 GMT
We've already paid all of our fines from FFP (unlike QPR), so they shouldn't have any problems with us. Personally, I don't really understand how we broke FFP and how we accrued such high losses; we only spent £1.1 million net on transfers, which was like the 10th highest in the league. Hardly an unfair competitive advantage, is it? I'm sure there were some dodgy internal bonuses that contributed to it or something, and obviously having a small stadium doesn't help, but I don't really see how what we did was "morally wrong" per se, we had one of the smallest squads in the league, and our total squad value was in the bottom 4 in the league. Again, it's not like we bought the league or anything. This is what EH said on the matter; you're welcome to call BS and just call us cheaters, if you want, but I definitely think FFP has some room for improvement in this respect at least. You made a loss of almost £40m, spending £30m on staff wages with a turnover of just £13m Yep, living well beyond their means in order to grasp at the premier league shilling. There is the argument that “everyone else is doing it too” which is correct but doesn’t make it right. Financial doping is financial doping and undermines the achievement of Bournemouth getting to the Prem because it’s built on, essentially, cheating. At last though it seems the EFL might be taking it seriously seeing as to how they have given Birmingham a points deduction. You might end up with every team in the league getting a deduction but it would soon stop clubs over-spending. |
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Post by nwcherries on May 31, 2019 8:42:48 GMT
You made a loss of almost £40m, spending £30m on staff wages with a turnover of just £13m Yep, living well beyond their means in order to grasp at the premier league shilling. There is the argument that “everyone else is doing it too” which is correct but doesn’t make it right. Financial doping is financial doping and undermines the achievement of Bournemouth getting to the Prem because it’s built on, essentially, cheating. At last though it seems the EFL might be taking it seriously seeing as to how they have given Birmingham a points deduction. You might end up with every team in the league getting a deduction but it would soon stop clubs over-spending. If "everyone else is doing it", surely that's a sign that the current FFP rules aren't working and need to be changed? |
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Post by insertname on May 31, 2019 9:03:39 GMT
Yep, living well beyond their means in order to grasp at the premier league shilling. There is the argument that “everyone else is doing it too” which is correct but doesn’t make it right. Financial doping is financial doping and undermines the achievement of Bournemouth getting to the Prem because it’s built on, essentially, cheating. At last though it seems the EFL might be taking it seriously seeing as to how they have given Birmingham a points deduction. You might end up with every team in the league getting a deduction but it would soon stop clubs over-spending. If "everyone else is doing it", surely that's a sign that the current FFP rules aren't working and need to be changed? No, all it means is that the risks aren’t great enough to deter clubs. Massively over spending is massively over spending- it is a choice a club makes, you can’t dress it up any other way. Is Bournemouth spending money they can’t possibly generate through TV, gate receipts, player sales and merchandise fair on a club like, say, Huddersfield who live within their means? Huddersfield and Bournemouth seem to be clubs on a similar footing yet Bournemouth suddenly have 40million to spend on staffing. If more more hefty points deductions and transfer embargo’s were levied on clubs then the risks would become too great because if they don’t get promotion then they are really in the crap the following season. |
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Post by nwcherries on May 31, 2019 13:55:18 GMT
If "everyone else is doing it", surely that's a sign that the current FFP rules aren't working and need to be changed? No, all it means is that the risks aren’t great enough to deter clubs. Massively over spending is massively over spending- it is a choice a club makes, you can’t dress it up any other way. Is Bournemouth spending money they can’t possibly generate through TV, gate receipts, player sales and merchandise fair on a club like, say, Huddersfield who live within their means? Huddersfield and Bournemouth seem to be clubs on a similar footing yet Bournemouth suddenly have 40million to spend on staffing. If more more hefty points deductions and transfer embargo’s were levied on clubs then the risks would become too great because if they don’t get promotion then they are really in the crap the following season. I can't disagree with any of that, even if I have my doubts that FFP actually helps promote fair play. But at the end of the day, I'm much happier that we actually tried to achieve something in the Championship, rather than accept we're a tiny club that should be in League 2. And the squad that we got promoted with was mostly a mixture of hard working lower league players, one or two astute buys and a great attacking philosophy, and I personally don't think what we achieved with that squad is undermined by the FFP stuff. We didn't buy the league, we didn't strip a bunch of other Championship clubs of their best players, we went up with our players. Also, we didn't spend "£40 million" on wages. To be pedantic, our FFP loss was actually around £16 million rather than £40 million, as that number includes the FFP fine itself, and you also have to exclude promotion bonuses, stadium improvements, youth development costs, etc. |
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Post by barry on Sept 21, 2019 13:41:57 GMT
Benched for today's game.
Had a poor game last week and looked like he needed a break.
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Post by alarch on Sept 21, 2019 16:25:23 GMT
With Bidwell red-carded he'll be back next week, if not sooner. But the rest will probably have done him some good.
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Post by iantov on Oct 10, 2019 21:17:32 GMT
I do not understand the thought process of a professional player who has been coached from the age of 8 / 9 years old to make a seemingly easy decision to put the ball back into the danger zone as opposed to putting in in 'row Z' (not with a header of course but the same principle should be applied).
His body shape alone should have been a natural indicator of where the ball should go so quite why he chose to head it back in play and more importantly into a high-risk area really leaves me scratching my head in dismay. He had two choices to make - safety/danger, safety/danger, really, not a difficult choice to make at any level. In the 85th minute, he did exactly what he should have done in the 53rd minute. It's not a learning curve at this level in this instance, it's absolute basics. Making the right choices at the right time, unquestionably easy. Not hard, no debate, no 50/50 -one hundred percent back towards the touchline, re-group. Even as I write, I cannot legislate for his decision making in this instance. I will wake up tomorrow and still not be able to understand why simplicity can be so complicated.
The lad had an excellent game apart from this schoolboy error but ultimately, and as much as I like him and appreciate his mostly consistent performances for club and country, he cost us 3 points.
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Post by alarch on Oct 10, 2019 21:31:53 GMT
It was a poor header - although I doubt it went in the direction he intended it - he didn't have much time to set himself. But you also have to question why neither Ampadu nor Allen were able to challenge a ball that looped in the air and landed just outside the box. And you also have to credit Kucka for an excellent volley. I don't think you can put our failure to win down to one lapse.
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 10, 2019 21:48:38 GMT
Don’t see why people say it was a mistake. He had to clear from the back post area and if I remember correctly, a few beers ago, it came through a group of players. It was a well taken shot, Wales had an opportunity to do the same back a few minutes later but we were too scared to take on the shot on.
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 10, 2019 21:55:15 GMT
Don’t see why people say it was a mistake. He had to clear from the back post area and if I remember correctly, a few beers ago, it came through a group of players. It was a well taken shot, Wales had an opportunity to do the same back a few minutes later but we were too scared to take on the shot on. Yeah, I agree. Here's the position he's in when he heads it out. Where's he meant to put it? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 22:04:00 GMT
Jonny Williams is somewhere left of frame. Both midfielders dropped into the defensive line, marking no one. No structure at all.
Connor had a really good game.
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Post by chief on Oct 10, 2019 22:07:26 GMT
Roberts did his job defending and clearing that tricky cross with a Slovak player not far behind him. It was the central midfield that left their player in acres of space on the edge of the box, not sure why Allen, Ampadu or Williams weren't out there or even made much of an effort to get out there once the ball had gone to him.
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Post by insertname on Oct 10, 2019 22:15:51 GMT
Don’t see why people say it was a mistake. He had to clear from the back post area and if I remember correctly, a few beers ago, it came through a group of players. It was a well taken shot, Wales had an opportunity to do the same back a few minutes later but we were too scared to take on the shot on. Exactly, there always seems to be a fetish on here to forensically examine the circumstances of a goal until someone can be found who can take the blame- it’s worse than any other football forum I browse in fact. Sometimes you just have to accept that he scored from a position that would have resulted in a goal kick 9 times out of 10. The real issue from that game was our inability to make the most of the opportunities to create chances that we had in the first half. There seems to be a real disparity in terms of dangerous situations we get into yet that do not yield a decent scoring chance. |
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Post by dai on Oct 10, 2019 22:19:27 GMT
Forget about the clearance, what about the total lack of effort or awareness to challenge for the ball? It was a soft goal to concede imo.
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