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Post by impeachabull on Oct 10, 2019 22:26:31 GMT
Forget about the clearance, what about the total lack of effort or awareness to challenge for the ball? It was a soft goal to concede imo. I think we just succumbed to the defensive problem that hurt us all night. Here's the ball out wide for the cross that Roberts was forced to clear. They had acres of space on the flanks all night. Clearly, it was a conscious decision to be narrow and allow them space on the wings, but anyone who watched the first half could have seen it was going to hurt us. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Oct 10, 2019 22:36:32 GMT
We have 7 players standing in a line, whilst they had 2 players ready to anticipate a potential clearance. Poor position from the CM's, however, it still leaves a lot for Kucka to do, and to take that first time and stick it in the corner is not easy.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2019 22:40:25 GMT
That's not a poor position to be honest. 4 v 2 central and their furthest player forward is on the touchline. More red shirts visible coming back than blue ones. Shouldn't end up in such a mess from there.
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Post by alarch on Oct 10, 2019 22:42:33 GMT
Ampadu gets a lot of credit for his block in the first half - and he started quite well, but he probably shouldn't have been in the last line of defence and in any event should have pushed out immediately. Lack of match fitness has to be big factor - and he was hooked soon after. Hopefully the playing minutes will have stood him in good stead for Croatia - because he looked the part early doors, and we will need to keep possession better against Croatia.
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 10, 2019 22:49:59 GMT
That's not a poor position to be honest. 4 v 2 central and their furthest player forward is on the touchline. More red shirts visible coming back than blue ones. Shouldn't end up in such a mess from there. J guess you're talking about the second picture, where the ball is played wide? I kind of agree, keeping narrow and compact often works. But it was really obvious in the first half that they were telling their wingers to hug the touch line, and we didn't respond. Hence Slovakia's right winger having an eternity to whip in the cross that led to the equaliser. No question that we were unlucky that that particular cross led to goal, but we were asking for trouble by giving them so much room on the flanks. |
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Post by richierich333 on Oct 11, 2019 6:28:29 GMT
If Giggs did not mention the space in behind our full backs at half time then he seriously needs to question his chosen career path. Nothing changed in the second half in this regard which makes me think he was just using generic slogans like 'keep going lads' and 'big effort this half' etc.
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Post by rushy on Oct 11, 2019 7:24:35 GMT
He should have headed it out for a corner or back where it came from, he then stood in direct eyeline of Hennessey which resulted in the goal, unfortunate or inexperience, but preventable none the less.
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Post by ausred88 on Oct 11, 2019 8:24:05 GMT
If Giggs did not mention the space in behind our full backs at half time then he seriously needs to question his chosen career path. Nothing changed in the second half in this regard which makes me think he was just using generic slogans like 'keep going lads' and 'big effort this half' etc. The guy knows about space behind the full back youtu.be/PEwMi4MwULA |
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Post by impeachabull on Oct 11, 2019 11:59:08 GMT
He should have headed it out for a corner or back where it came from Can't agree with this. It's really difficult to head that ball for a corner when he's in his six-yard box, and almost in the centre of the goal. Really solid chance that he just knocks it in for an own-goal if he does that. If he heads it back, he's heading it straight across our six-yard box with at least one Slovakian there to knock it in. If you want to blame someone for the goal, then maybe Kucka could have been closed down quicker, but at the end of the day it was a great finish.  |
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Post by johnoster on Oct 11, 2019 12:16:28 GMT
Ampadu retreated too far, defenders instincts.
Joniesta didn't track back, but maybe he wasn't asked to.
Joe Allen was following his man to the back post.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2019 12:26:52 GMT
It was clearly an instruction for the wingers and Williams not to track back, given how consistent the three were in their movements all game. We were very exposed by design, probably trying to exploit counter attacking possibilities and scare them into not pushing as many bodies forward with the threat of pace.
As the home side were desperate to win to even out the head to head record that was naive, especially once we went 1-0 up. Seen the same from Steve Cooper this season, more worried about getting the second goal than preventing the opposition's first. When you've got the pace of Dan James (and Matondo to freshen it up late on) you can afford to have the wingers drop into two compact banks of four, as he'll get up on the counter faster than any opposition player (see his Brentford cup goal). We wanted Pekarik to bomb on from right back, but not unmarked as often as he was creating problems for Ben Davies.
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Post by rushy on Oct 11, 2019 13:36:37 GMT
He should have headed it out for a corner or back where it came from Can't agree with this. It's really difficult to head that ball for a corner when he's in his six-yard box, and almost in the centre of the goal. Really solid chance that he just knocks it in for an own-goal if he does that. If he heads it back, he's heading it straight across our six-yard box with at least one Slovakian there to knock it in. If you want to blame someone for the goal, then maybe Kucka could have been closed down quicker, but at the end of the day it was a great finish. Fair enough, but I'm sure defence coaches would have thought different, and I rate Connor Roberts btw. |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 11, 2019 13:43:45 GMT
He should have headed it out for a corner or back where it came from Can't agree with this. It's really difficult to head that ball for a corner when he's in his six-yard box, and almost in the centre of the goal. Really solid chance that he just knocks it in for an own-goal if he does that. If he heads it back, he's heading it straight across our six-yard box with at least one Slovakian there to knock it in. If you want to blame someone for the goal, then maybe Kucka could have been closed down quicker, but at the end of the day it was a great finish. Exactly. If he scores an own goal they’d be saying just head it anywhere except for goal! Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. I think that goal comes because of a lack of depth in the team. 7 players standing in a row mysteriously can’t react to a second ball. Pointless overthinking it, the players did what they believed was right at the time. Could Allen have given Roberts a shout a man was on his shoulder instead of tracking him? Did Ampadu need to commit going back when it looked like James was supporting him? Can Hennessey finally start using his 6’5 or whatever he is frame and start collecting crosses? |
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Post by texan on Oct 11, 2019 14:56:51 GMT
Could Allen have given Roberts a shout a man was on his shoulder instead of tracking him? Did Ampadu need to commit going back when it looked like James was supporting him? Can Hennessey finally start using his 6’5 or whatever he is frame and start collecting crosses? Tune in on Sunday to find out, same bat-time, same bat-channel!  |
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Post by conwy10 on Oct 11, 2019 17:37:06 GMT
Could Allen have given Roberts a shout a man was on his shoulder instead of tracking him? Did Ampadu need to commit going back when it looked like James was supporting him? Can Hennessey finally start using his 6’5 or whatever he is frame and start collecting crosses? Tune in on Sunday to find out, same bat-time, same bat-channel! I’d probably take the same bat-result on Sunday too 🤔 |
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Post by alarch on Oct 11, 2019 21:43:07 GMT
Watching the match again it was so frustrating that we conceded in the manner in which we did - but also given that we actually dominated the opening exchanges of the second half. The goal was very much against the run of play. Ampadu had a good opening half an hour - but he was clearly leggy from then on. Not surprising that Slovakia only really dominated in the first half from the 35th or so minute onwards. He should have been hooked at half time with the benefit of hingsight - although I can't blame Giggs too much for that - as you'd hope that with the rest at half time he would have had at least a quarter of an hour left in the tank. So frustrating that fitness issues have contributed so much to derailing our campaign.
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Post by manulike on Oct 19, 2019 14:37:47 GMT
Connor only on subs bench today???
Probably can do with a breather, but hope its nothing more than that.
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Post by underwood on Oct 19, 2019 14:56:03 GMT
3 games in the week ahead for our Championship players. Any rest they get for their clubs is great for us.
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Post by manulike on Jan 12, 2020 16:33:37 GMT
A lot of talk recently that Connor might not be as good this season.
For me, he really stood out today in the derby. Won a fair few aerial battles and had a few great crosses in.
Feels - to me - like we have our Connor back ;-)
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Post by alarch on Jan 12, 2020 20:41:42 GMT
A lot of talk recently that Connor might not be as good this season. For me, he really stood out today in the derby. Won a fair few aerial battles and had a few great crosses in. Feels - to me - like we have our Connor back ;-) He had a poor game against QPR in the cup, where he pretty much gifted them the lead. In general he's not been at his best, especially going forwards. But he's not helped by having Ayew in front of him, who's such an individualist, and has no concept of team play. Should Ayew leave in the transfer window I wouldn't be surprised to see an upturn in Roberts' performance level. |
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Post by jackanapes on Jan 12, 2020 21:43:25 GMT
A lot of talk recently that Connor might not be as good this season. For me, he really stood out today in the derby. Won a fair few aerial battles and had a few great crosses in. Feels - to me - like we have our Connor back ;-) He had a poor game against QPR in the cup, where he pretty much gifted them the lead. In general he's not been at his best, especially going forwards. But he's not helped by having Ayew in front of him, who's such an individualist, and has no concept of team play. Should Ayew leave in the transfer window I wouldn't be surprised to see an upturn in Roberts' performance level. Spot on. Ayew has many qualities but is a nightmare for his own full back. See the difference when Connor plays with an intelligent team player like Dyer. He's also still young and will have ups and downs. It's pretty mad the standards and consistency we now expect from all these young players that have broken through over the past few years. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 12, 2020 22:10:54 GMT
He’s 24, mid 20s, so not young anymore.
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Post by alarch on Jan 12, 2020 22:48:20 GMT
He’s 24, mid 20s, so not young anymore. True, but relatively inexperienced in terms of game time. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 12, 2020 22:52:04 GMT
A lot of talk recently that Connor might not be as good this season. For me, he really stood out today in the derby. Won a fair few aerial battles and had a few great crosses in. Feels - to me - like we have our Connor back ;-) He had a poor game against QPR in the cup, where he pretty much gifted them the lead. In general he's not been at his best, especially going forwards. But he's not helped by having Ayew in front of him, who's such an individualist, and has no concept of team play. Should Ayew leave in the transfer window I wouldn't be surprised to see an upturn in Roberts' performance level. Also having an inexperienced centre back net to him in Cabango I thought he dealt well with Hoilett today, but wasn't too impressed with the theatrics |
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Post by alarch on Jan 12, 2020 23:14:54 GMT
Roberts is excellent at the theatrics, fair play. A career in Italy beckons.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jan 13, 2020 12:25:04 GMT
He’s 24, mid 20s, so not young anymore. True, but relatively inexperienced in terms of game time. Time on the pitch is definitely more important than age. Marcus Rashford is 22 but has played 238 senior games now, whereas Dan James who is the same age has only played 76 senior games in total. Rashford is certainly more of a ‘senior pro’ than James in my book due to this difference in experience, despite both being the same age. Connor has been great for Cymru in the qualifiers, so I think a dip in club form isn’t too much to worry about. As it stands he’s still our first choice RB. |
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Post by barry on Feb 8, 2020 14:13:11 GMT
Back from injury and straight back in the side.
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Post by alarch on Feb 8, 2020 17:38:57 GMT
Had a good game, unlucky to be on the losing side.
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 7, 2020 16:54:42 GMT
Swans playing better without Roberts in the team? Asking for a friend.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 13:49:22 GMT
Swans playing better without Roberts in the team? Asking for a friend. We're still playing dire stuff at near relegation tempo (avg. 1 point per game). Naughton's getting the nod at the moment for defensive solidity with Ayew playing the opposite side and more traditional wingers being given a go on the right. Connor's overlapping runs don't fit the Cooper gameplan. The main reason for the defensive improvement is undoubtedly Rodon and Cabango's partnership with Guehi being dropped. |
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