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Post by squatter1 on Sept 14, 2010 21:16:55 GMT
Right, I'm not a Leicester fan so I only see highlights on tellie.
But seems to me there's been a lot of talk round here about whether King could be the holding midfielder we're looking for.
But I'd guess the guy has scored more goals than any other Welsh midfielder every season for three seasons in a row. With 4 already this time round, he's already the Championship's top midfield goalscorer. I'll leave all that to someone else to correct me if I'm wrong.
Points being:
a) King should be in first 11 at the moment given his form.
b) his strengths clearly involve hitting the box and scoring goals. Not protecting the back 4.
c) Therefore he's got license to attack from now on for us until at least Ramsey AND Collison are back.
d) For as long as he's playing, and playing well, he's in front of Edwards and Ledley.
Somebody tell me I'm wrong.
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 14, 2010 21:39:36 GMT
i agree that he should be given a massive chance he is a very talented player and stands out whenever i watch him
his goal scoring and creativity could be vital to us and would in my opinion be wasted at holding midfield(especially with stock fit he would play there)
but as a attacking midfielder he would only have the bulgaria and switzerland games and then ramsey will be back
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 21:46:27 GMT
I remember I got laughed off the old DS board for suggesting trying him as a striker.
One thing is for sure, the boy is a natural finisher. Dare I say it more natural than what I have seen of Ched and Church. 3 goals already this season, from a defensive midfielder.
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 14, 2010 23:12:59 GMT
forgett the championship this boy belongs in the premier league. he has quality written all over him. for years we have all gone on about our talented young midfielders like ramsey and collison and allen.
king will not be as good as ramsey but he is going to be very very good
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 14, 2010 23:16:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 23:28:40 GMT
Oh christ! I dont think this is a good idea really. Hes got two games and he wants to gamble on under 19s and under 17s? If he had a long term mandate and the campaign was over I could understand, but I really dont think its the time or the place to throw untested players in. We are not out and are playing a Bulgarian side in disarray, we cant afford to take that risk imo. |
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Post by marsvolta on Sept 14, 2010 23:30:57 GMT
who's the u19 'surprise' he's talking about?
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 14, 2010 23:32:48 GMT
At least he is more positive
I wonder which players from the under 17's & 19's flynn is talking about?
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Post by bale-droed on Sept 14, 2010 23:34:39 GMT
he who dares wins.
emyr huws ,george gilbert? they are the more promising under 19s
nathan craig?
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Post by newaddingtonwelsh on Sept 14, 2010 23:46:36 GMT
Tom Lawrence (Manchester United),Elliott Chamberlain (Leicester City)?
Wrexham youth goalkeeper Danny Ward has been given a glowing endorsement by new Wales caretaker manager Brian Flynn.
The Dragons youngster is in Vaduz for today’s Wales under-19 friendly against Liechtenstein and Flynn said: “He has come on leaps and bounds, he’s improving every time we see him and if he continues in the same fashion he will go a long way in the game.”
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2010 23:51:30 GMT
None of these players are seeing first team football for their clubs though are they? Is it really a good idea to give them that experience in a game of that magnitude? Bearing in mind Bulgaria and Montenegro home are our two most winnable game?
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Post by raptor on Sept 15, 2010 8:37:21 GMT
Isn't Jake Cassidy in the u-19s now?
Now that would be a suprise package.
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Post by raptor on Sept 15, 2010 8:40:50 GMT
Oh christ! I dont think this is a good idea really. Hes got two games and he wants to gamble on under 19s and under 17s? If he had a long term mandate and the campaign was over I could understand, but I really dont think its the time or the place to throw untested players in. We are not out and are playing a Bulgarian side in disarray, we cant afford to take that risk imo. I think he may go for a good mixture of experienced, young and experienced and just plain young and inexperienced. I cant see him sending out more than 1 or 2 new caps. |
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Post by matty on Sept 15, 2010 11:27:37 GMT
I remember I got laughed off the old DS board for suggesting trying him as a striker. One thing is for sure, the boy is a natural finisher. Dare I say it more natural than what I have seen of Ched and Church. 3 goals already this season, from a defensive midfielder. I remember that thread, and I still laugh it off. The reason he scores so many goals is his ability to run late, unmarked, into the box. The ball seems to land on his head every time. He did it 3 times in the 2nd half against Luxembourg, scoring once. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 12:05:39 GMT
I remember I got laughed off the old DS board for suggesting trying him as a striker. One thing is for sure, the boy is a natural finisher. Dare I say it more natural than what I have seen of Ched and Church. 3 goals already this season, from a defensive midfielder. I remember that thread, and I still laugh it off. The reason he scores so many goals is his ability to run late, unmarked, into the box. The ball seems to land on his head every time. He did it 3 times in the 2nd half against Luxembourg, scoring once. Its more than the runs- look at the touch for his lobbed finish the other day from a ridiculous angle. How many of our other strikers would have put that in? |
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Post by matty on Sept 15, 2010 12:15:30 GMT
I remember that thread, and I still laugh it off. The reason he scores so many goals is his ability to run late, unmarked, into the box. The ball seems to land on his head every time. He did it 3 times in the 2nd half against Luxembourg, scoring once. Its more than the runs- look at the touch for his lobbed finish the other day from a ridiculous angle. How many of our other strikers would have put that in? One thing we'll agree on is he is quality. The Welsh Paul Scholes as I've heard him being called is high praise indeed. Flynn knows him better than most in the Welsh set-up, and it wouldn't surprise me if he starts v Bulgaria....I'd be very happy with that. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 15, 2010 12:30:18 GMT
He's a midfielder. I don't think we need to put any other label on him (defensive midfielder, holding...whatever) The main thing that stands out in his game to me is his intelligence. I remember Arsene Wenger saying that is the most important thing for a player when people were having a go at him for not having enough experinced players at Arsenal. I think he said something like 'you can be 37 and stupid, you can be 17 and clever' I was disappointed when King didn't start vs Montenegro (this isn't just hindsight- check my posts from a few weeks back if you like) Flynn knows him and likes him though, so he will probably trust him more than Tosh. For anyone who missed it, here's Steve Clardiges take on King: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/feb/03/king-claridge-scouting-reportOh and raptor, can we please cut down on the Jake Cassidy hype a wee bit. The boy is nowhere near ready for senior international football. He only became a full time pro a few weeks back and has got a hell of a lot to learn. |
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Post by raptor on Sept 15, 2010 12:58:18 GMT
He's a midfielder. I don't think we need to put any other label on him (defensive midfielder, holding...whatever) The main thing that stands out in his game to me is his intelligence. I remember Arsene Wenger saying that is the most important thing for a player when people were having a go at him for not having enough experinced players at Arsenal. I think he said something like 'you can be 37 and stupid, you can be 17 and clever' I was disappointed when King didn't start vs Montenegro (this isn't just hindsight- check my posts from a few weeks back if you like) Flynn knows him and likes him though, so he will probably trust him more than Tosh. For anyone who missed it, here's Steve Clardiges take on King: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/feb/03/king-claridge-scouting-reportOh and raptor, can we please cut down on the Jake Cassidy hype a wee bit. The boy is nowhere near ready for senior international football. He only became a full time pro a few weeks back and has got a hell of a lot to learn. Oh and Flynnfan I was making a guess at who Flynn was hinting at in that paper article. I've never seen him play and wouldnt know him if I passed him in the street. Chill out dude. |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 15, 2010 13:25:35 GMT
Oh christ! I dont think this is a good idea really. Hes got two games and he wants to gamble on under 19s and under 17s? If he had a long term mandate and the campaign was over I could understand, but I really dont think its the time or the place to throw untested players in. We are not out and are playing a Bulgarian side in disarray, we cant afford to take that risk imo. Relax, have a bit of trust in Flynn. I'm sure he wouldn't put anyone in if they weren't ready and that coment seems to be just a very general one. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 15, 2010 15:25:17 GMT
It might have been a comment made with the forthcoming u17 and u19 matches in mind, in order to give the players a bit more encouragement for those games? I doubt there will be any major suprises in Flynns first squad- the average age is young enough as it is. I would imagine players like Matthews, Blake and Mcdonald, who've been around the squad before but are yet to make their debuts, would be next in line anyway.
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Post by raptor on Sept 15, 2010 15:28:25 GMT
It might have been a comment made with the forthcoming u17 and u19 matches in mind, in order to give the players a bit more encouragement for those games? I doubt there will be any major suprises in Flynns first squad- the average age is young enough as it is. I would imagine players like Matthews, Blake and Mcdonald, who've been around the squad before but are yet to make their debuts, would be next in line anyway. All of a sudden with Flynn in charge we seem to have some options, I feel optomistic about upcoming games for a change as opposed to two years down the line. |
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Post by llannerch on Sept 15, 2010 15:42:41 GMT
It says in that Claridge scouting report that he's born in Maidenhead. How does he qualify? Curious.....
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 15, 2010 16:01:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 20:01:10 GMT
He's a midfielder. I don't think we need to put any other label on him (defensive midfielder, holding...whatever) The main thing that stands out in his game to me is his intelligence. I remember Arsene Wenger saying that is the most important thing for a player when people were having a go at him for not having enough experinced players at Arsenal. I think he said something like 'you can be 37 and stupid, you can be 17 and clever' I was disappointed when King didn't start vs Montenegro (this isn't just hindsight- check my posts from a few weeks back if you like) Flynn knows him and likes him though, so he will probably trust him more than Tosh. For anyone who missed it, here's Steve Clardiges take on King: www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/feb/03/king-claridge-scouting-reportOh and raptor, can we please cut down on the Jake Cassidy hype a wee bit. The boy is nowhere near ready for senior international football. He only became a full time pro a few weeks back and has got a hell of a lot to learn. flynnfan - i was on exactly the same wavelength re king and montenegro - he looked good when he came on against luxembourg - coincided with our best period of the game. He is a perfect holding midfield player who gives the added bonus of more goals - looks better with every passing month. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 15, 2010 21:09:50 GMT
Strange the the midfield seemed to function so well in the 2nd half vs Luxembourg, King scored and Toshack praised him very highly afterwards, but when it came to the crunch he picked a half fit David Edwards instead. I'm a fan of Edwards, but it seems to me that his main asset is his fitness, his energy. So why play him when he's clearly not fit? Utterly pointless if you ask me.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 21:15:30 GMT
Strange the the midfield seemed to function so well in the 2nd half vs Luxembourg, King scored and Toshack praised him very highly afterwards, but when it came to the crunch he picked a half fit David Edwards instead. I'm a fan of Edwards, but it seems to me that his main asset is his fitness, his energy. So why play him when he's clearly not fit? Utterly pointless if you ask me. Edwards was fully fit. He just isn't/wasn't that good. King had in fact, if you read the BBC same day preview, picked up a mild strain in training before the Montenegro match and so was not himself fully fit. Never-the-less, I suspect Edwards was ultimately selected on the basis of "experience", and that is the single worst reason to select anyone as the game bore out. |
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Post by flynnfan on Sept 15, 2010 21:33:53 GMT
He's hardly played since December and is clearly not match fit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2010 21:47:48 GMT
He's hardly played since December and is clearly not match fit. I see- "fit" has now become "match fit." Well, the facts of the matter do not bear this out. Edwards had a full pre-season training regimen. He was regularly named in the squad throughout this time, and on the bench for Wolves during the league season until he started in the league cup the week before the Montenegro match. Edwards was fit. Edwards was bad. There aren't excuses for how poorly he played except that he is not an international standard footballer. |
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Post by youngdragon on Sept 15, 2010 21:55:33 GMT
edwards like ledders is a decent enough player
just had very very poor games
although ledders has chosen to play aginst teams of semi pro players week in week out so its his own fault he isnt up to standard
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Post by llannerch on Dec 19, 2010 15:10:39 GMT
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