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Post by marsvolta on May 15, 2019 14:28:37 GMT
no one can take away what he achieved with wales but outside if this he not been a great success Success with Wales is all I care about |
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Post by insertname on May 15, 2019 14:38:55 GMT
no one can take away what he achieved with wales but outside if this he not been a great success Yeah without Osian propping him up he really seems to offer nothing that even the likes of Macclesfield Town would want. He’s failed to capitalise post Euros imo, but saying that doubtless he has trousered a few quid and his kids won’t go hungry. His Mrs seems a bit of a mouthpiece though! |
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Post by manulike on May 15, 2019 18:27:24 GMT
Good luck, Sir Christopher ;-)
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Post by cymroda on May 15, 2019 19:52:32 GMT
Nobody can doubt his achievement with Wales which is up there with one of the greatest in football. To take a team who hadn't qualified in nearly 60 years to a semi-final and to do it with tactics that worked perfectly was incredible. The 5 at the back, the double 10 with Bale/Ramsey, Ashley Williams as the perfect captain.
Not on this forum generally, but there's a bit of revisionism going on that it was just players and he happened to be in charge which is obviously nonsense considering the results/performances since.
But the Sunderland documentary was interesting between pointing to flaws while also in an impossible situation. It will be interesting to see if he looks to resurect or turn to a nomad around well-paying countries.
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Post by iot on May 15, 2019 21:51:13 GMT
Coleman's main attribute, from my understanding, is his charisma and the motivational aspect. With that in mind, a job in chinese football was never going to be a good fit, how could he possibly get those qualities across when he can't even speak the same language as his players? The sunderland documentary was quite revealing though in that the way Coleman motivates his players only works for certain personalities. He did a lot of work with a sports psychologist early in the Wales job and seemed to use that to great effect to get the players going - you could see what he meant to the players, ashley williams saying he would run through brick walls for him etc. He used the same technique at sunderland, constantly trying to big up his players, but from some of the interviews with the likes of mcgeady it seemed to have the opposite effect, with players baffled by his positivity in those circumstances
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Post by holmesdaleultra on May 16, 2019 19:27:08 GMT
Looking at Sunderland in the play offs against Portsmouth they are still rubbish so its not his fault.
This game tonight is the worst match of the week by far .
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Post by cadno on May 16, 2019 19:38:17 GMT
Guaranteed he's learned a lot from his time in China.
He's still got plenty of years left in management so will keep improving and changing his ideas.
You don't get much time in club management now and the pressure is crazy.
He'll be successful in the future for sure.
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Post by manulike on May 16, 2019 19:42:34 GMT
Guaranteed he's learned a lot from his time in China. He's still got plenty of years left in management so will keep improving and changing his ideas. You don't get much time in club management now and the pressure is crazy. He'll be successful in the future for sure. I agree. Sacking a man after NINE games is madness ;+(
I've given Emery more credit and he is a total tool ;-)
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Post by playslikeiniesta on Jun 11, 2019 22:25:10 GMT
Would he come back to Wales?
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Post by insertname on Jun 11, 2019 23:06:17 GMT
Would he come back to Wales? Has he not been discredited since leaving? We could hire him as a PR guy I suppose but as the manager I think I would rather give Osian the job. It would be somewhat false having Coleman as the manager when, in our heart of hearts, we know that it’s Osian who is the brains of the outfit and Coleman is there purely for positive vibes. Are things that bad that we need to have a guy involved just to keep the morale up? On second thoughts don’t answer that!  |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jun 11, 2019 23:11:53 GMT
Would he come back to Wales? Has to be him, but on a short term deal. |
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Post by SLAMMER on Jun 12, 2019 20:41:35 GMT
just a random thread from when Chris Coleman had been in the job about a year. Interesting how his value has changed since this original thread and probably countless others at the time.
I think hindsight springs to mind.
Worth bearing in mind when judging ANY football manager.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 12, 2019 21:41:39 GMT
just a random thread from when Chris Coleman had been in the job about a year. Interesting how his value has changed since this original thread and probably countless others at the time. I think hindsight springs to mind. Worth bearing in mind when judging ANY football manager. Very easy to look at the past with a rose tinted view. Reality is Coleman took his time to grow into the role and who knows, maybe Giggs will do the same. Those calling for him to be sacked now are being reactionary and are wasting their breath as it's never going to happen. |
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Post by cadno on Jun 13, 2019 7:05:00 GMT
just a random thread from when Chris Coleman had been in the job about a year. Interesting how his value has changed since this original thread and probably countless others at the time. I think hindsight springs to mind. Worth bearing in mind when judging ANY football manager. Very easy to look at the past with a rose tinted view. Reality is Coleman took his time to grow into the role and who knows, maybe Giggs will do the same. Those calling for him to be sacked now are being reactionary and are wasting their breath as it's never going to happen. Good points. Giggs needs luck with our key players being available for the rest of the campaign. Azerbaijan is an opportunity for him to select an 11 and system that he's pretty much going to stick to from then on. I really hope King and Ledley will be back available, Ampadu finds a club on loan, and Emyr Huws stays injury free. Tyler Roberts needs to be our new Churchy/HRK ... stretching opposition defence, making good runs. Tom Bradshaw could be a decent option for that role too. 4-2-3-1 Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Allen Ampadu Brooks Ramsey James Bale |
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Post by pendragon on Jun 13, 2019 7:53:15 GMT
Pretty much similar to yours Cadno but with a few tweaks. My 4-2-3-1 would be:
Hennessey
Roberts Mepham Williams Davies
Allen Ampadu
Brooks Ramsey James
Bale
Stick to that and build a contingency plan when some of those are not available.
I'm hoping that this current run is just a bad patch based on end of season fatigue, fitness problems and management issues that can be resolved with some hard work and determination!
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Post by texan on Jun 13, 2019 8:47:24 GMT
just a random thread from when Chris Coleman had been in the job about a year. Interesting how his value has changed since this original thread and probably countless others at the time. I think hindsight springs to mind. Worth bearing in mind when judging ANY football manager. By this point Coleman had been in the job nearly two years (appointed in Jan 2012), and I understand the sentiment behind the post. We certainly don't want to be too reactionary over Giggs. However in this instance I feel its like comparing apples and oranges to be honest. Remember under which circumstances Coleman came in, for the first 12 months the squad were mourning the loss of Speed and playing matches practically in a trance. And even in his 2nd year, Coleman was clinging onto the Speed way of doing things, desperately trying not to rock the boat of his grieving stars. It was in fact during this period of November 2013 when Coleman contemplated quitting only then did he decide to stay and do thing his way from 2014 onward. Giggs has had none of these issues, he's inherited a strong and dynamic squad with a defined style of play, but nearly 18 months down the line we no longer have any defined style and are...in fact...getting worse! There is no sense of real growth or progress under Giggs thus far. He's improved our attacking yes, but only when playing against sides that let us have the ball, at the same time our once solid and confident one-touch-passing midfield has vanished despite the quality of the players available to him going UP! Whilst our defence hasn't improved one iota since his first day in charge...in fact its worse than ever! Under Giggs we have a better squad than we've ever had, however we're more disjointed now than we were at the end of Coleman's reign...we have gone backwards. Now I'm not saying #giggsout, far from it, I want to see him succeed. But I need to see some growth from him, some real and genuine learning from our defeats and correcting of our errors, so far there hasn't been any of that and we've been lurching from one game to the next. He needs to spend this summer doing some serious soul searching and come back in September with a defined game-plan and a preferred 1st eleven in his head that can carry that game plan out...and he needs to stick to it! |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jun 13, 2019 10:02:39 GMT
just a random thread from when Chris Coleman had been in the job about a year. Interesting how his value has changed since this original thread and probably countless others at the time. I think hindsight springs to mind. Worth bearing in mind when judging ANY football manager. By this point Coleman had been in the job nearly two years (appointed in Jan 2012), and I understand the sentiment behind the post. We certainly don't want to be too reactionary over Giggs. However in this instance I feel its like comparing apples and oranges to be honest. Remember under which circumstances Coleman came in, for the first 12 months the squad were mourning the loss of Speed and playing matches practically in a trance. And even in his 2nd year, Coleman was clinging onto the Speed way of doing things, desperately trying not to rock the boat of his grieving stars. It was in fact during this period of November 2013 when Coleman contemplated quitting only then did he decide to stay and do thing his way from 2014 onward. Giggs has had none of these issues, he's inherited a strong and dynamic squad with a defined style of play, but nearly 18 months down the line we no longer have any defined style and are...in fact...getting worse! There is no sense of real growth or progress under Giggs thus far. He's improved our attacking yes, but only when playing against sides that let us have the ball, at the same time our once solid and confident one-touch-passing midfield has vanished despite the quality of the players available to him going UP! Whilst our defence hasn't improved one iota since his first day in charge...in fact its worse than ever! Under Giggs we have a better squad than we've ever had, however we're more disjointed now than we were at the end of Coleman's reign...we have gone backwards. Now I'm not saying #giggsout, far from it, I want to see him succeed. But I need to see some growth from him, some real and genuine learning from our defeats and correcting of our errors, so far there hasn't been any of that and we've been lurching from one game to the next. He needs to spend this summer doing some serious soul searching and come back in September with a defined game-plan and a preferred 1st eleven in his head that can carry that game plan out...and he needs to stick to it! Agreed, he needs to spend more time considering Wales in between matches and less time on his other commitments/hobbies. Surely his 500k salary demands this (unless he's living up to many people's opinion of him)!! I'm not calling for his removal YET, but we're going backwards at a rate of knots and he's in danger of ruining all the good work done before him. |
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Post by welshiron on Jun 13, 2019 10:19:30 GMT
Very easy to look at the past with a rose tinted view. Reality is Coleman took his time to grow into the role and who knows, maybe Giggs will do the same. Those calling for him to be sacked now are being reactionary and are wasting their breath as it's never going to happen. Good points. Giggs needs luck with our key players being available for the rest of the campaign. Azerbaijan is an opportunity for him to select an 11 and system that he's pretty much going to stick to from then on. I really hope King and Ledley will be back available, Ampadu finds a club on loan, and Emyr Huws stays injury free. Tyler Roberts needs to be our new Churchy/HRK ... stretching opposition defence, making good runs. Tom Bradshaw could be a decent option for that role too. 4-2-3-1 Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Allen Ampadu Brooks Ramsey James Bale Tom Bradshaw Are you kidding me |
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Post by welshiron on Jun 13, 2019 10:20:55 GMT
The only certain starter missing was Ramsey.
Chester would probably started as well.
So he had 9 of the best 11 available. We dont often have that many
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 13, 2019 10:44:40 GMT
The only certain starter missing was Ramsey. Chester would probably started as well. So he had 9 of the best 11 available. We dont often have that many Yes but these two positions are bigger losses because they are the areas we struggled. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 13, 2019 10:57:45 GMT
just a random thread from when Chris Coleman had been in the job about a year. Interesting how his value has changed since this original thread and probably countless others at the time. I think hindsight springs to mind. Worth bearing in mind when judging ANY football manager. Serious question, if Iceland lose their manager will it be okay if the next one starts losing to Faroe Islands again because they used to and they need time? Doesn’t a thing called progress ever come into the equation? At what point do we say we had no experience or knowledge of how to qualify, now we do and we need to put that into action on a regular basis. Speed came in and his changes required time to turn around a nation of complete failure in qualification. Coleman came in and evolved it further, broke the habit of failure by qualifying and last year we narrowly missed out on qualifying despite only losing once. Giggs came in and is doing what exactly? Except taking us back 12 years. |
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Post by hopeful on Jun 29, 2019 7:18:41 GMT
 Spotted in my local ad mag... Maybe he's moved on from management! |
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Post by gwernybwch on Jul 20, 2019 9:18:53 GMT
Coleman now the bookies favourite to take over at Sheffield Wednesday. He is rapidly becoming the go-to man if your club is nut case job.
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Post by insertname on Jul 20, 2019 10:50:16 GMT
Coleman now the bookies favourite to take over at Sheffield Wednesday. He is rapidly becoming the go-to man if your club is nut case job. Jeez, he’s probably even less welcome than a Bruce was at Newcastle. Honestly, Wales aside if your club suddenly announces Coleman you’re not going to be very happy with it because his club record is very ‘blah’ and that’s being kind. He seemed to have a unique set of circumstances with Wales where he was able to work with a close knit group of players with a point to prove. I don’t think his man management skills are worth a lot in the turbulent world of the domestic game where there is constant turn over of players. The jury is also out on his tactical ability. Osian seemed to be the orchestrator of that aspect. Ah well, Sheff Weds have got 3 at the back and the box formation to look forward to. Good luck to them, they will probably need it. |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 26, 2020 21:36:09 GMT
For a football fix the 2nd series of Sunderland til I die starts next Wednesday on Netflix.
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Post by gwernybwch on Jun 9, 2020 21:08:21 GMT
I listened to this interview the other night. www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-lG7B9aIeEColeman made several references to the tactics that he used in each game. I might have to review my belief that the idea and implementation of 5 at the back was due to Osian. Coleman also made reference to a journalist not celebrating when Bale scored against Belgium and he thought that the journalist wanted Coleman to fail. Be interesting to know who that was. Abbandonato? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 10, 2020 12:15:34 GMT
I listened to this interview the other night. www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-lG7B9aIeEColeman made several references to the tactics that he used in each game. I might have to review my belief that the idea and implementation of 5 at the back was due to Osian. Coleman also made reference to a journalist not celebrating when Bale scored against Belgium and he thought that the journalist wanted Coleman to fail. Be interesting to know who that was. Abbandonato? Blows my mind that. Imagine being more invested in a manager failing because you want to feel right to have criticised him, more than you want your country to succeed and create history! |
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Post by marsvolta on Jun 10, 2020 12:59:33 GMT
I listened to this interview the other night. www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-lG7B9aIeEColeman made several references to the tactics that he used in each game. I might have to review my belief that the idea and implementation of 5 at the back was due to Osian. Coleman also made reference to a journalist not celebrating when Bale scored against Belgium and he thought that the journalist wanted Coleman to fail. Be interesting to know who that was. Abbandonato? Blows my mind that. Imagine being more invested in a manager failing because you want to feel right to have criticised him, more than you want your country to succeed and create history! Forget journalists, there’s plenty on here who’d rather be right and Wales fail than wrong and Wales succeed. *not necessarily related to Coleman, I’m talking in general |
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Post by conwy10 on Jun 10, 2020 18:18:14 GMT
I listened to this interview the other night. www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-lG7B9aIeEColeman made several references to the tactics that he used in each game. I might have to review my belief that the idea and implementation of 5 at the back was due to Osian. Coleman also made reference to a journalist not celebrating when Bale scored against Belgium and he thought that the journalist wanted Coleman to fail. Be interesting to know who that was. Abbandonato? Probably a Welsh Unionist 😂 |
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Post by manulike on Nov 19, 2020 22:18:43 GMT
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