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Post by welshiron on Sept 3, 2019 12:14:32 GMT
He has played 3 games in the epl and has 2 goals. No player is always in the game especially when stepping up a level
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Post by iot on Sept 3, 2019 12:30:40 GMT
He has played 3 games in the epl and has 2 goals. No player is always in the game especially when stepping up a levelThat's slightly disingenuous. A lot of fans just look at the hard stats, which is why you probably rate harry wilson far more than players like joinesta or joe allen who traditionally don't produce much by way of goals/assists. But the overall contribution to the team's performance is just as important, even if it is more difficult to measure. Harry Wilson doesn't contribute nearly enough, he's a highlight reel type player who has spectacular moments but, when that doesn't come off, he doesn't offer anything else. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 3, 2019 13:36:47 GMT
Before this season how many assists did Williams have?
Think you may be underestimating how important goals are and how difficult it is moving up a level
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Post by alarch on Sept 3, 2019 20:27:57 GMT
The danger on Friday is that we line up with Wilson, Lawrence, Bale and James. All with goal scoring and assist making capabilities - but is it sensible to start with four players who have question marks over them when it comes to their ability to build attacks progressively? Any of these four players could win us the game with a moment of brilliance, but there's also a danger of us becoming incoherent, and being out-passed by Azerbaijan - failing to get control over the match, a conspicuous problem against Hungary.
If we have a fit Ampadu and Allen able to anchor the midfield then I will be less concerned, but personally I'd go with Joniesta as a number 10, ahead of Lawrence. We need to dominate possession and look to play on the front foot in and out of possession. Joniesta will give us the balance we need.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 3, 2019 22:13:41 GMT
The danger on Friday is that we line up with Wilson, Lawrence, Bale and James. All with goal scoring and assist making capabilities - but is it sensible to start with four players who have question marks over them when it comes to their ability to build attacks progressively? Any of these four players could win us the game with a moment of brilliance, but there's also a danger of us becoming incoherent, and being out-passed by Azerbaijan - failing to get control over the match, a conspicuous problem against Hungary. If we have a fit Ampadu and Allen able to anchor the midfield then I will be less concerned, but personally I'd go with Joniesta as a number 10, ahead of Lawrence. We need to dominate possession and look to play on the front foot in and out of possession. Joniesta will give us the balance we need. All 100% spot on. Chucking four wingers on in the attacking positions could definitely lead to incoherence. Having Joniesta in there, someone who can play the number 10 role, would bring the best out of our attack as it makes us more balanced, and makes me more confident that we could break down a stubborn defence by getting between the lines. Wilson-Bale-James with Jonny in behind is plenty against this opposition. |
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Post by richierich333 on Sept 4, 2019 7:22:39 GMT
The danger on Friday is that we line up with Wilson, Lawrence, Bale and James. All with goal scoring and assist making capabilities - but is it sensible to start with four players who have question marks over them when it comes to their ability to build attacks progressively? Any of these four players could win us the game with a moment of brilliance, but there's also a danger of us becoming incoherent, and being out-passed by Azerbaijan - failing to get control over the match, a conspicuous problem against Hungary. If we have a fit Ampadu and Allen able to anchor the midfield then I will be less concerned, but personally I'd go with Joniesta as a number 10, ahead of Lawrence. We need to dominate possession and look to play on the front foot in and out of possession. Joniesta will give us the balance we need. All 100% spot on. Chucking four wingers on in the attacking positions could definitely lead to incoherence. Having Joniesta in there, someone who can play the number 10 role, would bring the best out of our attack as it makes us more balanced, and makes me more confident that we could break down a stubborn defence by getting between the lines. Wilson-Bale-James with Jonny in behind is plenty against this opposition. Agree with both posts. There is often a marked gap between midfield and attack since Giggs took over. Lawrence is dropped for Joniesta in my eyes. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 4, 2019 7:51:28 GMT
I think I want vokes to play
Give Bale a free role and Wilson and James pinging in crosses for them to head home.
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Post by cadno on Sept 4, 2019 8:03:58 GMT
He has played 3 games in the epl and has 2 goals. No player is always in the game especially when stepping up a levelThat's slightly disingenuous. A lot of fans just look at the hard stats, which is why you probably rate harry wilson far more than players like joinesta or joe allen who traditionally don't produce much by way of goals/assists. But the overall contribution to the team's performance is just as important, even if it is more difficult to measure. Harry Wilson doesn't contribute nearly enough, he's a highlight reel type player who has spectacular moments but, when that doesn't come off, he doesn't offer anything else. exactly, if you based everything on goals and assists you wouldn't think much of Leon Britton etc |
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Post by cadno on Sept 4, 2019 8:05:48 GMT
to start:
hennessey
roberts rodon mepham taylor
allen ampadu
bale williams james
vokes
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Post by impeachabull on Sept 4, 2019 8:29:56 GMT
to start: hennessey roberts rodon mepham taylor allen ampadu bale williams james vokes I think this is a fair choice (although I'd swap Taylor for B. Davies). I really hope we don't play Bale up-top again. I don't think it works and removes the effectiveness of our (still) best player. If we do want to play without a typical striker then I'd like to see Wilson (or Brooks if he's fit) playing as a deep-lying striker with Bale and James cutting in from the wings. Basically how Roberto Firmino plays for Liverpool with Salah and Mane on the flanks. Accept that this is quite a specialist position though. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 4, 2019 10:47:45 GMT
to start: hennessey roberts rodon mepham taylor allen ampadu bale williams james vokes I think this is a fair choice (although I'd swap Taylor for B. Davies). I really hope we don't play Bale up-top again. I don't think it works and removes the effectiveness of our (still) best player. If we do want to play without a typical striker then I'd like to see Wilson (or Brooks if he's fit) playing as a deep-lying striker with Bale and James cutting in from the wings. Basically how Roberto Firmino plays for Liverpool with Salah and Mane on the flanks. Accept that this is quite a specialist position though. My argument against this is that cutting in from the wing and getting a shot off usually only happens a couple of times per game. Most wing play usually ends with a cross. With this in mind would you rather; Bale crossing to Wilson Bale crossing to Vokes Wilson crossing to Bale Personally I prefer Wilson to Bale because Bale is our best finisher, and Wilson's crossing is better than Vokes's finishing. Whilst Bale is our best player, I don't think he is as effective in build up play as he once was, and therefore I prefer him up front where we can benefit from him being clinical. |
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Post by larslagerback on Sept 4, 2019 16:55:23 GMT
to start: hennessey roberts rodon mepham taylor allen ampadu bale williams james vokes I think this is a fair choice (although I'd swap Taylor for B. Davies). I really hope we don't play Bale up-top again. I don't think it works and removes the effectiveness of our (still) best player. If we do want to play without a typical striker then I'd like to see Wilson (or Brooks if he's fit) playing as a deep-lying striker with Bale and James cutting in from the wings. Basically how Roberto Firmino plays for Liverpool with Salah and Mane on the flanks. Accept that this is quite a specialist position though. You need unbelievably good attacking full backs for the Liverpool system to work fully. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 5, 2019 16:23:18 GMT
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Post by impeachabull on Sept 5, 2019 17:58:38 GMT
I think this is a fair choice (although I'd swap Taylor for B. Davies). I really hope we don't play Bale up-top again. I don't think it works and removes the effectiveness of our (still) best player. If we do want to play without a typical striker then I'd like to see Wilson (or Brooks if he's fit) playing as a deep-lying striker with Bale and James cutting in from the wings. Basically how Roberto Firmino plays for Liverpool with Salah and Mane on the flanks. Accept that this is quite a specialist position though. You need unbelievably good attacking full backs for the Liverpool system to work fully. Sure, you need a lot for the Liverpool system to work. In particular, a hugely effective press which would be almost impossible to organise during international breaks. I still think that we can learn lessons from their attack even if we don't seek to emulate their entire system. And, if we choose to play without a conventional striker, I'd prefer a false 9 (Brooks/ Wilson) in a front three, with Bale and James cutting in from the wings than Bale up-top. |
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Post by impeachabull on Sept 5, 2019 18:01:03 GMT
I think this is a fair choice (although I'd swap Taylor for B. Davies). I really hope we don't play Bale up-top again. I don't think it works and removes the effectiveness of our (still) best player. If we do want to play without a typical striker then I'd like to see Wilson (or Brooks if he's fit) playing as a deep-lying striker with Bale and James cutting in from the wings. Basically how Roberto Firmino plays for Liverpool with Salah and Mane on the flanks. Accept that this is quite a specialist position though. My argument against this is that cutting in from the wing and getting a shot off usually only happens a couple of times per game. Most wing play usually ends with a cross. With this in mind would you rather; Bale crossing to Wilson Bale crossing to Vokes Wilson crossing to Bale Personally I prefer Wilson to Bale because Bale is our best finisher, and Wilson's crossing is better than Vokes's finishing. Whilst Bale is our best player, I don't think he is as effective in build up play as he once was, and therefore I prefer him up front where we can benefit from him being clinical. Totally understand this viewpoint, but has Bale ever been effective up-top for us? All the times I can recall him playing there, (and the effect of beer may have eroded my memory) he's been pretty anonymous and we've created very little. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Sept 5, 2019 18:46:34 GMT
My argument against this is that cutting in from the wing and getting a shot off usually only happens a couple of times per game. Most wing play usually ends with a cross. With this in mind would you rather; Bale crossing to Wilson Bale crossing to Vokes Wilson crossing to Bale Personally I prefer Wilson to Bale because Bale is our best finisher, and Wilson's crossing is better than Vokes's finishing. Whilst Bale is our best player, I don't think he is as effective in build up play as he once was, and therefore I prefer him up front where we can benefit from him being clinical. Totally understand this viewpoint, but has Bale ever been effective up-top for us? All the times I can recall him playing there, (and the effect of beer may have eroded my memory) he's been pretty anonymous and we've created very little. It's a good point. I'd say he played well against Ireland (H), but aside from that I can't really say another good performance. To be fair though he hasn't played that well when he's played on the right in that time period either so could be down to form. Tbh he probably needs to make adjustments to his game if he is going to lead the line as he isn't a natural 9. |
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Post by larslagerback on Sept 5, 2019 22:32:10 GMT
You need unbelievably good attacking full backs for the Liverpool system to work fully. Sure, you need a lot for the Liverpool system to work. In particular, a hugely effective press which would be almost impossible to organise during international breaks. I still think that we can learn lessons from their attack even if we don't seek to emulate their entire system. And, if we choose to play without a conventional striker, I'd prefer a false 9 (Brooks/ Wilson) in a front three, with Bale and James cutting in from the wings than Bale up-top. Their full backs and their press are huge factors in their attack. I don't think you can cherry pick and hope to get similarly successful results. |
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Post by iantov on Sept 7, 2019 11:53:19 GMT
I think that the ref either bottled it or Wilson was too clever for him. It was a stamp, a very clever one but on any other day he could have easily got a red for that. He knew what he was doing and his stupidity that early in the game may have cost us dearly.
On TV, he was clearly indicating to the bench during a break in play that the reason for his shite corners was that the ball was 'flat'.... Not a good night for him at all, unfortunately.
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Post by barneycat1 on Sept 7, 2019 13:21:12 GMT
Worse player for Wales last night. Couldn't even rise the ball above 5 feet for corners.
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Post by cadno on Sept 20, 2019 19:44:36 GMT
has just scored!
Is anyone watching the game? I've got Schalke on, hoping Matondo makes an appearance.
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 20, 2019 22:48:25 GMT
has just scored! Is anyone watching the game? I've got Schalke on, hoping Matondo makes an appearance. Only scores good goals, worst player since Church, not a team player, etc. etc. Chuck him on the scrapheap, might aswell be English. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 20, 2019 23:34:22 GMT
Wilson is a good finisher, his future is in the middle of the pitch, not as a winger
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Post by robin1864 on Sept 21, 2019 0:09:53 GMT
Wilson is a good finisher, his future is in the middle of the pitch, not as a winger Time will tell, still early days. He's certainly not a winger in the Bale mould, but he certainly hasn't been helped by Giggs putting him in the middle, then the wing, then the middle, then the wing etc. etc. every other game. People lamenting his poor form at international level need to consider the fact that Bournemouth actually have a coherent system, whereas we're relying on little more than moments of individual magic to get us through matches. |
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Post by cadno on Sept 21, 2019 7:10:56 GMT
has just scored! Is anyone watching the game? I've got Schalke on, hoping Matondo makes an appearance. Only scores good goals, worst player since Church, not a team player, etc. etc. Chuck him on the scrapheap, might aswell be English. Lol! He was pretty anonymous in the game apparently |
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Post by insertname on Sept 21, 2019 7:58:32 GMT
has just scored! Is anyone watching the game? I've got Schalke on, hoping Matondo makes an appearance. Only scores good goals, worst player since Church, not a team player, etc. etc. Chuck him on the scrapheap, might aswell be English. If we can’t make use of him it says more about us than it does about him. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 21, 2019 9:07:25 GMT
3 goals in 5 games.
Not many welshmen have started so well in top flight football.
People get excited when Bradshaw comes on as a sub but knock Wilson.
Well done Harry
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Post by nwcherries on Sept 21, 2019 16:07:56 GMT
Boys an assassin. You don’t even know he’s playing half the time, then BAM.
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Post by nwcherries on Sept 21, 2019 16:09:47 GMT
If he stays with us next season he could be playing Champions league football  |
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Post by pendragon on Sept 22, 2019 21:50:15 GMT
3 goals in 5 games. Not many welshmen have started so well in top flight football. People get excited when Bradshaw comes on as a sub but knock Wilson. Well done Harry My main worry with him is his inconsistency but that record is truly impressive. Isn't that record the same as James? Two top flight forwards in the Premier League now. We're very fortunate When Brooks returns, the Cherries may well and truly be on fire 🔥 🤪 |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 23, 2019 7:07:45 GMT
Bale and Ramsey also getting goals.
Slovakia having to play behind closed doors.
Modric struggling with injury.
Looking good for November
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