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Post by surge on Jun 11, 2024 21:26:59 GMT
Unless Adam Davies takes hold of the Sheffield United shirt next year and does well, then Danny Ward is our number one for next year at least and maybe the next two years.
All we can do is what we have been doing: building him up each game so he's working with belief.
Hopefully someone new comes along very soon an takes to it like a duck to water. At the moment we are in trouble in about 18-24 months.
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Post by talyfan on Jun 11, 2024 22:03:31 GMT
Unless Adam Davies takes hold of the Sheffield United shirt next year and does well, then Danny Ward is our number one for next year at least and maybe the next two years. All we can do is what we have been doing: building him up each game so he's working with belief. Hopefully someone new comes along very soon an takes to it like a duck to water. At the moment we are in trouble in about 18-24 months. Good chance Davies is leaving I think, contract expires but there's been talks. Charlton have been linked with him |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 11, 2024 22:11:30 GMT
Unless Adam Davies takes hold of the Sheffield United shirt next year and does well, then Danny Ward is our number one for next year at least and maybe the next two years. All we can do is what we have been doing: building him up each game so he's working with belief. Hopefully someone new comes along very soon an takes to it like a duck to water. At the moment we are in trouble in about 18-24 months. In 12 months Ward's contract is up. Although he may struggle to get even a Championship club he's still going to go somewhere. Any sort of regular game time will benefit him and us. |
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Post by talyfan on Jun 12, 2024 9:20:54 GMT
What's interesting I was checking old threads. Our goalkeeper situation has barely changed in 3 years. We were saying the same in 2021
Ward, Davies, King and a lesser extent Hennessy have barely played.
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Post by gimli on Jun 12, 2024 10:09:45 GMT
Doesn't look like that David Harrington got on the pitch for Ireland this window. If he has a good preseason and ends up first choice for his club in August then we need to call him up in September.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 12, 2024 10:28:46 GMT
Unless Adam Davies takes hold of the Sheffield United shirt next year and does well, then Danny Ward is our number one for next year at least and maybe the next two years. All we can do is what we have been doing: building him up each game so he's working with belief. Hopefully someone new comes along very soon an takes to it like a duck to water. At the moment we are in trouble in about 18-24 months. In 12 months Ward's contract is up. Although he may struggle to get even a Championship club he's still going to go somewhere. Any sort of regular game time will benefit him and us. Would like to see him at Wrexham in League One |
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Post by morg on Jun 12, 2024 12:23:01 GMT
In 12 months Ward's contract is up. Although he may struggle to get even a Championship club he's still going to go somewhere. Any sort of regular game time will benefit him and us. Would like to see him at Wrexham in League One They're close to signing Okonkwo? Why would Ward be a better option? |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 12, 2024 14:13:33 GMT
Would like to see him at Wrexham in League One They're close to signing Okonkwo? Why would Ward be a better option? I didn't know that - he wouldn't be |
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Post by dai on Jun 13, 2024 13:40:35 GMT
If you go back and watch the highlights from the last 2/3 years, it's pretty damning how many long range shots Ward has let in.
People remember Hennessey for saves he made and how he kept us in games, however I don't recall Ward making any heroic saves?
I mostly remember the calamities;
That performance against Slovakia.
That own goal vs the Czechs.
Rashford effectively nutmegging him in the WC.
I know Hennessey did a Cantona in the WC, but that for me was a one off in what's been a fantastic career.
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Post by morg on Jun 13, 2024 15:12:05 GMT
This must be the leanest spell ever for Welsh keepers..
Just looking back and we've had a decent enough number one back to the sixties (and in one case probably the world's best) all playing in the top flight on the whole. What's going on?
Sprake
Dai Davies
Nev
Paul Jones
Wayne.
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Post by surge on Jun 13, 2024 19:43:35 GMT
If you go back and watch the highlights from the last 2/3 years, it's pretty damning how many long range shots Ward has let in. People remember Hennessey for saves he made and how he kept us in games, however I don't recall Ward making any heroic saves? I mostly remember the calamities; That performance against Slovakia. That own goal vs the Czechs. Rashford effectively nutmegging him in the WC. I know Hennessey did a Cantona in the WC, but that for me was a one off in what's been a fantastic career. He's made some very good saves as well. Just not as high profile games or not games where we have won off back of his saves. One thing I am disappointed by was that he was the keeper who helped Huddersfield reach premier league on basis of penalty saves, saving three penalties in two games, and although they were very good penalties, I always thought Ward would give us bigger chance than Hennessey (poor record in shoot-outs) because of this, but Danny didn't get near any of the Poland ones. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jun 13, 2024 21:06:23 GMT
Ward came in for our first Euros game out of nowhere and did well, looked confident, he could have easily wilted
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Post by hooky on Jun 15, 2024 9:27:26 GMT
Why on earth did Leicester put him on such long contracts and/or renew them? Why do you want a player as a backup who has no ambition to push for a #1 spot and who is now declining due to chronic lack of match practise. Is he still third choice goalkepper?
This is the most frustrating thing about this. Seldom do you get a player hanging around at a club for a decade who is getting nowhere near the first team. It could only happen to Wales!
Surely he can't have long on his contract? Can you imagine if he dies a Hennessey and when they do eventually kick him out he choses to be a backup keeper in the Premiership or more likely Championship. In my industry, if I had such low ambitions I would be weeded out of the company by my second or third annual performance review. Its mad
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Post by reyrey on Jun 15, 2024 10:09:22 GMT
He has been at Leicester for 6 years.
Played a total of 47 games.
He has got 1 year left on his contract
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 15, 2024 10:14:19 GMT
He will almost certainly leave, to play, this summer as it is everybody's interests for him to do so, especially Ward's. He will be anxious to put himself in the shop window for when his contract expires. Take a deep breath and relax...
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Post by kracken88 on Jun 15, 2024 10:59:02 GMT
I'm actually wondering what he is lacking,is it self respect or confidence or both,I mean to basically sit on your arse for years and just pick up the money is a bit pathetic,or maybe he doesn't even like football and it's just a way of making good money,I guess if someone offered most of us the chance to do what he is doing we would say thank you very much.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jun 15, 2024 17:35:42 GMT
He has been at Leicester for 6 years. Played a total of 47 games. He has got 1 year left on his contract What a joke!! and he wonders why his career has been hurtling backwards at a rate of knots |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 15, 2024 18:20:10 GMT
I'm sure Danny would love to be selected. He can't make the manager select him.
Let's see where we are when the transfer window closes. Wouldn't be surprised if he went to Wrexham on loan, who I suspect will miss out on Okonkwo.
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Post by gimli on Jun 15, 2024 18:31:05 GMT
To be honest Ward can do what he likes. It's his career, his life. Maybe he doesn't enjoy football that much and he's happy sitting in the stands and collecting a hefty wage. That's his prerogative and I don't blame him for that. I do however blame Page for continuing to select a player who isn't playing club football, who doesn't appear to be bothered that he's not playing club football, and who doesn't appear to have made any attempt to find first team football despite it being clear his club had not intention of playing him.
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Post by ddirpytnop on Jun 15, 2024 21:33:40 GMT
To be honest Ward can do what he likes. It's his career, his life. Maybe he doesn't enjoy football that much and he's happy sitting in the stands and collecting a hefty wage. That's his prerogative and I don't blame him for that. I do however blame Page for continuing to select a player who isn't playing club football, who doesn't appear to be bothered that he's not playing club football, and who doesn't appear to have made any attempt to find first team football despite it being clear his club had not intention of playing him. . Who are exactly are you suggesting he should pick? Which Welsh qualified players are currently playing regularly at a decent level? I've clearly missed something. |
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Post by barneycat1 on Jun 15, 2024 21:39:40 GMT
He has certainly gone backwards, most likely because of lack of game time.
Move on Danny. Now.
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Post by dai on Jun 15, 2024 21:50:27 GMT
Page should tell Ward that if he's not playing regular football next season he won't be no1. In addition, I think we just need to promote a younger keeper to no1 now - Beech, Barden etc.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 15, 2024 22:45:09 GMT
But if Ward, Hennessey, nor Davies are playing who do you select? Beech definitely isn't ready. There's a danger here of cutting our nose off to spite our face. Ward was terrible against Slovakia but he's been good on other occasions despite not playing club football. Same with Hennessey.
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Post by talyfan on Jun 15, 2024 23:17:12 GMT
It's been pretty dire this season. Outside Ward, Davies etc.
Owen Evans - 25 appearances for Walsall. Now released.
Chris Maxwell - 9 appearances for Huddersfield
Dai Cornell - 2 appearances for Preston North End.
David Harrington ∆ - 1 appearance for Fleetwood (called up to recent Ireland squad)
That's it basically from EFL. From what I gather.
Beyond that and again not great.
Nathan Shepperd - 36 appearances for Dundalk in 2023. Signed by Wycombe in February. Now released again following expiration of short term deal.
Lewis Thomas (Bristol City), Matthew Turner (Cardiff City), Callum Burton ∆ (Plymouth). All have been on the bench as second choice for their clubs.
Will Blackmore ∆ (Peterborough) was 2nd choice but out injured all season.
∆ = dual national. Not committed yet.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2024 23:18:48 GMT
Page should tell Ward that if he's not playing regular football next season he won't be no1. In addition, I think we just need to promote a younger keeper to no1 now - Beech, Barden etc. I would tell him that if he isn't regular his spot isn't guaranteed. I'd then encourage all of the keepers to get 1st team football and say whoever plays regularly is the new number 1. See what he does, if he's happy sitting on the bench then his shirt goes to whoever gets minutes in the pyramid |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jun 15, 2024 23:20:03 GMT
It's been pretty dire this season. Outside Ward, Davies etc. Owen Evans - 25 appearances for Walsall. Now released. Chris Maxwell - 9 appearances for Huddersfield Dai Cornell - 2 appearances for Preston North End. David Harrington ∆ - 1 appearance for Fleetwood (called up to recent Ireland squad) That's it basically from EFL. From what I gather. Beyond that and again not great. Nathan Shepperd - 36 appearances for Dundalk in 2023. Signed by Wycombe in February. Now released again following expiration of short term deal. Lewis Thomas (Bristol City), Matthew Turner (Cardiff City), Callum Burton ∆ (Plymouth). All have been on the bench as second choice for their clubs. Will Blackmore ∆ (Peterborough) was 2nd choice but out injured all season. ∆ = dual national. Not committed yet. Aiden Stokes in the MLS II getting regular games, touted for a move. Could be our best GK prospect if a move & regular games materialise |
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Post by iot on Jun 16, 2024 7:43:51 GMT
But if Ward, Hennessey, nor Davies are playing who do you select? Beech definitely isn't ready. There's a danger here of cutting our nose off to spite our face. Ward was terrible against Slovakia but he's been good on other occasions despite not playing club football. Same with Hennessey. Yeah, the key point which people aren't prepared to accept |
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Post by iot on Jun 16, 2024 8:20:29 GMT
It's been pretty dire this season. Outside Ward, Davies etc. Owen Evans - 25 appearances for Walsall. Now released. Chris Maxwell - 9 appearances for Huddersfield Dai Cornell - 2 appearances for Preston North End. David Harrington ∆ - 1 appearance for Fleetwood (called up to recent Ireland squad) That's it basically from EFL. From what I gather. Beyond that and again not great. Nathan Shepperd - 36 appearances for Dundalk in 2023. Signed by Wycombe in February. Now released again following expiration of short term deal. Lewis Thomas (Bristol City), Matthew Turner (Cardiff City), Callum Burton ∆ (Plymouth). All have been on the bench as second choice for their clubs. Will Blackmore ∆ (Peterborough) was 2nd choice but out injured all season. ∆ = dual national. Not committed yet. And let's not forget that our big hope in Eddie Beach went out on loan to Gateshead and only made five appearances in the Conference. Think he was left out at different points due to injury but also patchy form unfortunately |
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Post by gimli on Jun 16, 2024 9:30:34 GMT
But if Ward, Hennessey, nor Davies are playing who do you select? Beech definitely isn't ready. There's a danger here of cutting our nose off to spite our face. Ward was terrible against Slovakia but he's been good on other occasions despite not playing club football. Same with Hennessey. Yeah, the key point which people aren't prepared to accept The issue is that Page has created a situation where it's perfectly fine to not be playing club football. None of our keepers have been playing and yet he's continued to call them all up with out fail, so none of them feel any need to go out and find a club that will play them. He should have dropped at least one of them to give one of the lower regularly playing keepers a chance. Why he's continued to call up Tom King is baffling. Ward and the other keepers have known that they wouldn't play club football, but also known that they're safe in their place in the squad because of Page's blind loyalty. None of them have attempted to find a new club and that shouldn't be rewarded with more call ups and caps. They should be made an example of. Being in a national team is meant to be a reward for playing well. Well right now I'd take rewarding someone for playing at all. If we have to drop to League Two or the Cymru Prem to find them then that's just where we are. I'm not even convinced Davies and King are any better than some of the Cymru Prem keepers anyway. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jun 16, 2024 10:27:44 GMT
Yeah, the key point which people aren't prepared to accept The issue is that Page has created a situation where it's perfectly fine to not be playing club football. None of our keepers have been playing and yet he's continued to call them all up with out fail, so none of them feel any need to go out and find a club that will play them. He should have dropped at least one of them to give one of the lower regularly playing keepers a chance. Why he's continued to call up Tom King is baffling. Ward and the other keepers have known that they wouldn't play club football, but also known that they're safe in their place in the squad because of Page's blind loyalty. None of them have attempted to find a new club and that shouldn't be rewarded with more call ups and caps. They should be made an example of. Being in a national team is meant to be a reward for playing well. Well right now I'd take rewarding someone for playing at all. If we have to drop to League Two or the Cymru Prem to find them then that's just where we are. I'm not even convinced Davies and King are any better than some of the Cymru Prem keepers anyway. I assume you would select Maxwell then, given he's the only alternative playing at a reasonable level with any sort of game time, with his 9 appearances for relegated Huddersfield. Sorry, I'd rather select Ward or Hennessey any day. We might as well have Bale in goal, after all he wouldn't have to run around, and mid thirties is young for a keeper. I'm 99% facetious, but there is a part of me that thinks he would probably be good in goal. His sweeper keeper credentials would be immaculate at least... |
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