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Post by talyfan on Jun 16, 2024 11:36:14 GMT
Lot of moves for Welsh goalkeepers I imagine come September. We should have a better idea at that point.
Ideally. Ward and Davies called up and just leaving the 3rd keeper for the likes of Beach, Barden, Benjamin etc. Treat that place like we would for the calling the likes of Koumas or Crew up. Just to bleed goalkeepers in and give Tony Roberts a good look at them.
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Post by iot on Jun 16, 2024 11:49:08 GMT
Yeah, the key point which people aren't prepared to accept The issue is that Page has created a situation where it's perfectly fine to not be playing club football. None of our keepers have been playing and yet he's continued to call them all up with out fail, so none of them feel any need to go out and find a club that will play them. He should have dropped at least one of them to give one of the lower regularly playing keepers a chance. Why he's continued to call up Tom King is baffling. Ward and the other keepers have known that they wouldn't play club football, but also known that they're safe in their place in the squad because of Page's blind loyalty. None of them have attempted to find a new club and that shouldn't be rewarded with more call ups and caps. They should be made an example of. Being in a national team is meant to be a reward for playing well. Well right now I'd take rewarding someone for playing at all. If we have to drop to League Two or the Cymru Prem to find them then that's just where we are. I'm not even convinced Davies and King are any better than some of the Cymru Prem keepers anyway. The purpose of an international call up isn’t to reward good club form, it’s to try to achieve something with the national team. Like it or not, Ward and Hennessey have been our best options over the last 5 years and there’s no way that Page should have selected an Owen Evans ahead of them just to prove a point, and I doubt that selecting someone like him ahead of Tom King as a 3rd choice keeper would have made any meaningful point either. But I do agree that he should have done more to use the 3rd / 4th keeper point with an eye on the future, rather than just going for those we know will never be good enough. Even then you don’t want to call up Beach as third choice when he could be starting for the u21s, but there have been occasions where there hasn’t been a clash in fixtures and I would have much preferred to see the likes of Beach getting the nod |
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Post by talyfan on Jul 24, 2024 7:27:58 GMT
Going into the first half of the season as Leicester City's 2nd choice.
First choice rumoured to be joining Chelsea but not sure that'll happen.
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Post by rushy on Jul 25, 2024 14:17:04 GMT
Training and playing are worlds apart, especially keepers , we should be looking at players getting regular game time.
Yes we are limited in quality numbers but standards should be set , something I imagine Bellamy will impose on the squad.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 25, 2024 16:00:41 GMT
I think it's obvious by now he won't be no1 (perhaps not even no2 by time the season starts) at Leicester. Wasted years of his career for money rather than playing. if there's a year left on his contract it'll be the same. Can't blame him for securing his long-term financial future, but wouldn't be surprised if it's lower leagues for him in 2025/26 season.
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 26, 2024 9:31:52 GMT
Fine for him to take this decision for personal reasons, but he needs to be shown that his place in the national side won't be guaranteed unless he's a regular somewhere
Bellamy needs to address this as a priority
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Post by iot on Jul 26, 2024 11:05:52 GMT
Think we're all going round in circles slightly on this. With no viable alternative, we have no leverage to pressurise Ward into pushing for a move and first team football, when that would likely mean a drastic cut in his earnings. I don't think we can sacrifice the spot to a poorer keeper just to make a point, particularly when we don't have another keeper as a nailed on starter for any club in the football league.
That said, Bellamy could try to really give a boost to one of the youngsters' careers. For example, he could use the third keeping spot as the incentive and maybe use a couple of the nations league games to boost their confidence and profile. I'd be tempted to select around 5 keepers for the first squad- Ward, Davies and then three keepers who can push to be the next in line (maybe Beach, Barden, and someone like Burton). We could then tell those three new keepers that the position is up for grabs, and they will get an opportunity through the NL to show they're ready.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 26, 2024 11:21:32 GMT
Think we're all going round in circles slightly on this. With no viable alternative, we have no leverage to pressurise Ward into pushing for a move and first team football, when that would likely mean a drastic cut in his earnings. I don't think we can sacrifice the spot to a poorer keeper just to make a point, particularly when we don't have another keeper as a nailed on starter for any club in the football league. That said, Bellamy could try to really give a boost to one of the youngsters' careers. For example, he could use the third keeping spot as the incentive and maybe use a couple of the nations league games to boost their confidence and profile. I'd be tempted to select around 5 keepers for the first squad- Ward, Davies and then three keepers who can push to be the next in line (maybe Beach, Barden, and someone like Burton). We could then tell those three new keepers that the position is up for grabs, and they will get an opportunity through the NL to show they're ready. I definitely think we should be looking at bringing one of the younger keepers into the squad, be it through expanding it or giving them the 3rd choice spot We've been picking 4 relatively old keepers who don't play, it would make a lot more sense for the 3rd/4th spots to go to a prospect |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 11:27:34 GMT
I agree that the 3rd spot should go to a prospect, but that doesn't mean they should play. Assuming our two experienced options are still not getting regular game time we will still have to select them to play. Anything else would be a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Is anyone seriously suggesting that the likes of Beech and Barden are ready to play ahead of Ward?
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 26, 2024 11:57:02 GMT
Think we're all going round in circles slightly on this. With no viable alternative, we have no leverage to pressurise Ward into pushing for a move and first team football, when that would likely mean a drastic cut in his earnings. I don't think we can sacrifice the spot to a poorer keeper just to make a point, particularly when we don't have another keeper as a nailed on starter for any club in the football league. That said, Bellamy could try to really give a boost to one of the youngsters' careers. For example, he could use the third keeping spot as the incentive and maybe use a couple of the nations league games to boost their confidence and profile. I'd be tempted to select around 5 keepers for the first squad- Ward, Davies and then three keepers who can push to be the next in line (maybe Beach, Barden, and someone like Burton). We could then tell those three new keepers that the position is up for grabs, and they will get an opportunity through the NL to show they're ready. Yeah that's what I mean, do something like that to apply the pressure. If I we're Bellamy I'd be going round to all the Welsh qualified keepers and saying to them if you can land a number 1 spot in the football league you're in the squad, possibly even playing Incentivise the likes of Owen Evans, Beach and whoever else is potentially good enough to land at least in League Two |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 12:04:05 GMT
If regular EFL appearances is the criterion then that probably means selecting Owen Evans, now of Cheltenham, with Walsall last season. His stats are very unimpressive, letting in 9 goals more than expected last season.
Our best hope realistically is that Ward moves in this transfer window. I think that's a distinct possibility for reasons I've elaborated on previously. The question is "does anyone want him?"
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 12:10:12 GMT
Ward was linked with a move to either Sheffield United or Cardiff in January so we can hope something may yet transpire in this window.
Worth remembering he's still only 31.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 12:17:16 GMT
Thus could scupper any departure for Ward: "Leicester City have been handed a significant injury blow with back-up goalkeeper Jakub Stolarczyk ruled out for six months."
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 12:24:31 GMT
This is from a recent review of Leicester's goalkeeping options ahead of the new season:
Goalkeepers
Mads Hermansen, Jakub Stolarczyk, Danny Ward, Daniel Iversen, Brad Young
On the basis of last season, Mads Hermansen is more than good enough to be a Premier League number one. He may have been signed because of his ability with the ball at his feet, but he proved he can keep the ball out of the net too, something that will be vital this coming season. He’s going to face more shots this term.
Jakub Stolarczyk, while not quite as composed in possession, has shown himself to be a fine shot-stopper too. Right now, there would be no reason not to trust him in the event Hermansen picked up an injury.
All that considered, it doesn’t feel like City have any need for a new goalkeeper. Given the futures of Danny Ward and Daniel Iversen are not certain, with Derby interested in the latter, it’s possible an experienced third-choice option may be required, but otherwise City feel pretty set between the sticks.
With Jakub Stolarczyk's injury Ward will currently be number 2, or 3 behind Iversen. Unless they bring in a good replacement for Jakub Stolarczyk, Ward is likely to be retained.
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Post by garynysmon on Jul 26, 2024 12:57:51 GMT
What a car crash of a once promising career.
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Post by talyfan on Jul 26, 2024 13:45:26 GMT
Wards level if he were to start week in week out will probably be League One maximum. Same applies to Davies. Think any keeper playing regularly in and around that level you've got to call them up only issue is as iot says there isn't any at the minute! Still plenty of time in the summer transfer window for some of them to get a move. Unfortunately, we're not blessed with keepers in their prime, so think it would be a case of chucking them right in the deep end of you completely overhauled it. We've always given youth a chance and same should apply to our goalkeepers. Namely for that 3rd spot. |
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 14:16:48 GMT
Wards level if he were to start week in week out will probably be League One maximum. Same applies to Davies. Think any keeper playing regularly in and around that level you've got to call them up only issue is as iot says there isn't any at the minute! Still plenty of time in the summer transfer window for some of them to get a move. Unfortunately, we're not blessed with keepers in their prime, so think it would be a case of chucking them right in the deep end of you completely overhauled it. We've always given youth a chance and same should apply to our goalkeepers. Namely for that 3rd spot. That's fine but let's not delude ourselves that the 3rd choice selection makes any material difference. When has our 3rd choice keeper ever played international football in our entire history? There may be a few minutes here and there in meaningless friendlies but that will be it. |
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Post by talyfan on Jul 26, 2024 15:02:05 GMT
It's not about them playing straight away. It's about bedding them in and creating a bit of noise around of them to maybe get a better permanent move or loan move.
Regarding keepers for Bellamy his options are
1. Keep status quo.
2. Bleed one or two in gradually and hope in turn they can improve throughout their career. Sort of like what he had to do with with Smith and Levitt. Yes not successful but that is the risk you take.
3. Completely overhaul the lot. Call up youth and or whoever is playing regularly. And do away with past loyalties.
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Post by winsumluzsum on Jul 26, 2024 15:29:34 GMT
It's not about them playing straight away. It's about bedding them in and creating a bit of noise around of them to maybe get a better permanent move or loan move. Regarding keepers for Bellamy his options are 1. Keep status quo. 2. Bleed one or two in gradually and hope in turn they can improve throughout their career. Sort of like what he had to do with with Smith and Levitt. Yes not successful but that is the risk you take. 3. Completely overhaul the lot. Call up youth and or whoever is playing regularly. And do away with past loyalties. Options 1 and 2 are fine. Option 3 probably means playing Beach or Owen Evans. That would be a case of cutting your nose off to spite your face. Ward was awful against Slovakia, but was decent in his other games last season, especially in qualifying games and the playoffs. If we were talking about an outfield position then the clamour for an alternative would make a lot more sense. The reality is that a goalkeeper not playing for his club side is far from ideal, but not the be all and end all either. We will persevere with Ward for the forseeable future come what may. Regrettable that there is no alternative, but that's where we are. |
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Post by athenempadu on Jul 29, 2024 10:36:07 GMT
If regular EFL appearances is the criterion then that probably means selecting Owen Evans, now of Cheltenham, with Walsall last season. His stats are very unimpressive, letting in 9 goals more than expected last season. Our best hope realistically is that Ward moves in this transfer window. I think that's a distinct possibility for reasons I've elaborated on previously. The question is "does anyone want him?" He's on too much money at Leicester and it's his last big payday. |
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Post by allezlesrouges on Jul 29, 2024 13:47:00 GMT
If regular EFL appearances is the criterion then that probably means selecting Owen Evans, now of Cheltenham, with Walsall last season. His stats are very unimpressive, letting in 9 goals more than expected last season. Our best hope realistically is that Ward moves in this transfer window. I think that's a distinct possibility for reasons I've elaborated on previously. The question is "does anyone want him?" He's on too much money at Leicester and it's his last big payday. Surprised they are not more keen to shift him on |
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Post by athenempadu on Jul 29, 2024 15:04:54 GMT
He's on too much money at Leicester and it's his last big payday. Surprised they are not more keen to shift him on I'm sure they'd love to, the problem is when he signed the contract he was their number one keeper in a stable Premier League side, so somebody will have to stump up some cash if he was to make a move. |
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Post by talyfan on Jul 29, 2024 16:52:57 GMT
50k a week he's reportedly on! No one is matching that and not even a top championship side is meeting half that.
He'll leave next season, take a cut in salary and tick a home-grown quota box for a Premier League side as 3rd choice.
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Post by aberbeeg on Jul 30, 2024 4:29:44 GMT
He’s completely wasting the last quarter of his career.
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Post by kracken88 on Jul 30, 2024 7:12:26 GMT
Even in the bubble and insanity that is football wages surely nobody is paying a keeper 50K a week for years to do pretty much nothing are they? Jeez half his luck
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Post by welshrover on Jul 30, 2024 11:23:46 GMT
Even in the bubble and insanity that is football wages surely nobody is paying a keeper 50K a week for years to do pretty much nothing are they? Jeez half his luck There was one some years back at Newcastle, understudy to Shay Given. He was there for years trousering a nice salary and hardly ever played. |
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Post by athenempadu on Jul 30, 2024 12:24:25 GMT
Even in the bubble and insanity that is football wages surely nobody is paying a keeper 50K a week for years to do pretty much nothing are they? Jeez half his luck He was in the right place in the right situation at the right time. |
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Post by fireboy0610 on Jul 30, 2024 12:40:59 GMT
He’s completely wasting the last quarter of his career. This shows how alot of modern day players put their bank balance before playing. They have lost all sense of reality, they have no idea on real life, sad, very sad. |
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Post by garynysmon on Jul 30, 2024 15:36:54 GMT
He’s completely wasting the last quarter of his career. Only the last quarter? |
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Post by surge on Jul 30, 2024 16:01:13 GMT
As frustrating as it has been to see the goalie starring got Huddersfield on loan and at times doing so well for us, including that shock Slovakia cap in 2016, not yet make the mark we hoped for, he has to look after his family as well.
There has been some serious concerns with Welsh goalie strength in depth which isn't really Ward's cross to bear.
Think some issues of this being that it's more difficult to get a good loan in as a young keeper now as Chelsea etc have 20 that they're looking to get experience for so keepers from Swansea and Cardiff have fewer chances. But I digress.
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