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Post by gaz on Jan 30, 2016 13:48:41 GMT
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Post by manulike on Jan 30, 2016 16:05:14 GMT
Looks good!
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Post by caeboy on Jan 30, 2016 18:15:46 GMT
Seems to be more of a creator of goals than an out & out 9. Where abouts is he from?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 18:24:02 GMT
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Post by georgetm1 on Jan 30, 2016 19:12:53 GMT
The thing is, once the FAW get their claws into a player, its highly unlikely they will go to England because of the high level of coaching they get with our country. I remember when I was doing my FAW coaching badges, the guy running the course was saying that the way England coaches its kids is decades behind everyone else and it still is. The U16 Victory Shield winning team in 2014 had 8 players who were coveted by the English (before winning the tournament) and they all wanted to stay with Wales. Even the guys who were born and bred in England felt closer to our country and were belting out the national anthem with pride............against England. I'm also sure that the opportunity for these guys to play along side Bale later in their international career helps a lot.
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Post by Tim P on Jan 30, 2016 20:32:51 GMT
Is that where he was born and / or brought up though? Also could likely have Welsh parents etc |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 20:58:46 GMT
Is that where he was born and / or brought up though? Also could likely have Welsh parents etc Not sure Tim, but the primary school quoted is in Tattenhall and the secondary school (prior to his move to school in Liverpool) is in Malpas also in Cheshire. Tattenhall is probably about 10 miles from the nearest Welsh Border point as the crow flies. Like you I suspect his connection is through lineage. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2016 21:08:51 GMT
Is that where he was born and / or brought up though? Also could likely have Welsh parents etc Not sure Tim, but the primary school quoted is in Tattenhall and the secondary school (prior to his move to school in Liverpool) is in Malpas also in Cheshire. Tattenhall is probably about 10 miles from the nearest Welsh Border point as the crow flies. Like you I suspect his connection is through lineage. Lineage usually trumps location. |
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Post by wirralwelsh on Feb 3, 2016 1:36:46 GMT
The thing is, once the FAW get their claws into a player, its highly unlikely they will go to England because of the high level of coaching they get with our country. I remember when I was doing my FAW coaching badges, the guy running the course was saying that the way England coaches its kids is decades behind everyone else and it still is. The U16 Victory Shield winning team in 2014 had 8 players who were coveted by the English (before winning the tournament) and they all wanted to stay with Wales. Even the guys who were born and bred in England felt closer to our country and were belting out the national anthem with pride............against England. I'm also sure that the opportunity for these guys to play along side Bale later in their international career helps a lot. With this outstanding level of coaching why is it we persistently fail to ever qualify for any Uefa under-age finals? I suspect the motive may be that they simply got picked by us first......and that Gareth Bale chap perhaps. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 13, 2016 20:03:46 GMT
/photo/1 Just scored for LFC tonight Cue the biggest case of "Cap him" ever. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 13, 2016 20:51:27 GMT
No I agree he is very Welsh. What i'm saying is just like with Collison,Dummett,G Williams and Henley on this forum some members are about to go mental and say we should cap him just in case |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2016 22:52:29 GMT
A goal plus 2 assists in the liverpool first team at 16.
Sounds very exciting this kid.
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Post by biwmares on Jul 14, 2016 7:33:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 10:23:50 GMT
I hope we don't go off the deep end with him. Looking back the whole capping of Wilson was a bit embarrassing. Let him earn a cap in due course as surely he will if he can continue to get on the pitch for Liverpool.
If he defects to England then he obviously didn't feel Welsh enough and it is only right that he does the best for himself and us by allowing someone else whose heart is in it the opportunity to represent Wales instead.
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Post by llannerch on Jul 14, 2016 11:03:44 GMT
I hope we don't go off the deep end with him. Looking back the whole capping of Wilson was a bit embarrassing. Let him earn a cap in due course as surely he will if he can continue to get on the pitch for Liverpool. If he defects to England then he obviously didn't feel Welsh enough and it is only right that he does the best for himself and us by allowing someone else whose heart is in it the opportunity to represent Wales instead. I agree with this. I called Wilson at the time as a cheap cap; it devalued international caps. So yes, let's not go mad over a promising 16 yr old and certainly not over a goal in a pre-season friendly against Fleetwood. However the huge difference now between Wilson then and Woodburn now (or Ampadu or Tyler Roberts) is that for dual-qualified players it is a choice between Wales or England with both offering tournament football |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 11:07:26 GMT
I hope we don't go off the deep end with him. Looking back the whole capping of Wilson was a bit embarrassing. Let him earn a cap in due course as surely he will if he can continue to get on the pitch for Liverpool. If he defects to England then he obviously didn't feel Welsh enough and it is only right that he does the best for himself and us by allowing someone else whose heart is in it the opportunity to represent Wales instead. I agree with this. I called Wilson at the time as a cheap cap; it devalued international caps. So yes, let's not go mad over a promising 16 yr old and certainly not over a goal in a pre-season friendly against Fleetwood. However the huge difference now between Wilson then and Woodburn now (or Ampadu or Tyler Roberts) is that for dual-qualified players it is a choice between Wales or England with both offering tournament football Call me cynical, but as time passes I can't help but think there may have been something in that bet his grandad won. He has every chance of making it still, sure, but capping a 16 year old at that time just seems really bizarre and as you say devalues the whole cap system. It literally was a token cap. Were we *that* worried he would be poached by England? |
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Post by llannerch on Jul 14, 2016 11:23:38 GMT
I agree with this. I called Wilson at the time as a cheap cap; it devalued international caps. So yes, let's not go mad over a promising 16 yr old and certainly not over a goal in a pre-season friendly against Fleetwood. However the huge difference now between Wilson then and Woodburn now (or Ampadu or Tyler Roberts) is that for dual-qualified players it is a choice between Wales or England with both offering tournament football Call me cynical, but as time passes I can't help but think there may have been something in that bet his grandad won. He has every chance of making it still, sure, but capping a 16 year old at that time just seems really bizarre and as you say devalues the whole cap system. It literally was a token cap. Were we *that* worried he would be poached by England? It makes you wonder doesn't it? He's not been anywhere near a squad since (unless I'm mistaken) so he can't have had a huge amount of trust or faith placed in him. Noises are that players like Bradshaw and Craig Davies didn't do enough in training to be selected, suggesting Coleman isn't one for dishing out caps willy nilly. And, if anything he's been criticised for being overly loyal to soem players. Except he did with Wilson. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 13:07:08 GMT
Call me cynical, but as time passes I can't help but think there may have been something in that bet his grandad won. He has every chance of making it still, sure, but capping a 16 year old at that time just seems really bizarre and as you say devalues the whole cap system. It literally was a token cap. Were we *that* worried he would be poached by England? It makes you wonder doesn't it? He's not been anywhere near a squad since (unless I'm mistaken) so he can't have had a huge amount of trust or faith placed in him. Noises are that players like Bradshaw and Craig Davies didn't do enough in training to be selected, suggesting Coleman isn't one for dishing out caps willy nilly. And, if anything he's been criticised for being overly loyal to soem players. Except he did with Wilson. No lads, drop that conspiracy! Wilson was capped too early, but he was there on merit of sorts.He was tearing up the DVP leagues at the time. He's had multiple injuries that have set him back. First thing Klopp did when he got to Liverpool was recall him. We just need Wilson to have an injury free couple of seasons and I'm sure he'll make it to be a Championship level player at the least. It could be a good thing that Klopp is at Liverpool as he prides himself on using the youth systems. We have four promising players at LFC that I know of. Ward, Wilson, Jordan Williams and Woodburn. The good thing about Williams is Klopp likes his DMs to be strong players and Williams is this. Whether he's good enough to play at Liverpool's level is another matter. Back on topic. I've seen Woodburn play a few times at youth level so it's not adequate enough to judge. The comment above about him being a provider is apt. Interesting that he wears the no.9 a lot in the Vid for Liverpool and is playing off the shoulder a lot in the vid. Wales have played him on the right wing. Though I can see him being a no.10 or maybe deeper as a creative mid, if he doesn't have enough pace at senior level to play out wide or off the shoulder as a 9. Without wanting to hype him too much, I will say he is very positive on the ball, he plays with his head up and can beat players and takes players out of the game. No worries about defecting - he's Welsh. Let's hope he develops. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 15:07:22 GMT
It makes you wonder doesn't it? He's not been anywhere near a squad since (unless I'm mistaken) so he can't have had a huge amount of trust or faith placed in him. Noises are that players like Bradshaw and Craig Davies didn't do enough in training to be selected, suggesting Coleman isn't one for dishing out caps willy nilly. And, if anything he's been criticised for being overly loyal to soem players. Except he did with Wilson. No lads, drop that conspiracy! Wilson was capped too early, but he was there on merit of sorts.He was tearing up the DVP leagues at the time. He's had multiple injuries that have set him back. First thing Klopp did when he got to Liverpool was recall him. We just need Wilson to have an injury free couple of seasons and I'm sure he'll make it to be a Championship level player at the least. It could be a good thing that Klopp is at Liverpool as he prides himself on using the youth systems. We have four promising players at LFC that I know of. Ward, Wilson, Jordan Williams and Woodburn. The good thing about Williams is Klopp likes his DMs to be strong players and Williams is this. Whether he's good enough to play at Liverpool's level is another matter. Back on topic. I've seen Woodburn play a few times at youth level so it's not adequate enough to judge. The comment above about him being a provider is apt. Interesting that he wears the no.9 a lot in the Vid for Liverpool and is playing off the shoulder a lot in the vid. Wales have played him on the right wing. Though I can see him being a no.10 or maybe deeper as a creative mid, if he doesn't have enough pace at senior level to play out wide or off the shoulder as a 9. Without wanting to hype him too much, I will say he is very positive on the ball, he plays with his head up and can beat players and takes players out of the game. No worries about defecting - he's Welsh. Let's hope he develops. I appreciate he had injuries...but he wasn't some child prodigy that had been brought into the Liverpool first team because he was just too good. He was playing in youth development teams and out of nowhere gets called up and brought on against Croatia at international level. Llannerch is right, Coleman has been really inconsistent on selection policy. Bradshaw has to prove he can walk on water in order to win a cap and yet Wilson gets one without even proving that he can play at League one level, let alone higher. All very odd, in hindsight. |
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Post by dai on Jul 14, 2016 15:26:16 GMT
I wouldn't dismiss any conspiracy theories regarding the cap, as it has always surprised me as well. But the squad for the match (it was Belgium btw, not Croatia) was severely depleted at the time. And if you have a look here you can see a whole load of other outsiders - Alfei, Wiggins, Easter, J Wilson, Tudur Jones etc. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24439786 So when you look at those choices within the squad, coupled with the fact Coleman 'may' have been worried about England poaching him, his cap looks reasonably innocent. But still, fast forward a few years, while looking at how little Wilson has progressed, and it does look a little bit strange. |
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Post by abwales on Jul 14, 2016 15:45:34 GMT
They rated him very very highly, the rumours were swirling about him being poached, we had shit loads of injuries and we had a dead rubber competitive match to bring him on in and lock him down. Makes sense to me. The Bradshaw situation was completely different.
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 14, 2016 16:31:47 GMT
I wouldn't dismiss any conspiracy theories regarding the cap, as it has always surprised me as well. But the squad for the match (it was Belgium btw, not Croatia) was severely depleted at the time. And if you have a look here you can see a whole load of other outsiders - Alfei, Wiggins, Easter, J Wilson, Tudur Jones etc. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/24439786 So when you look at those choices within the squad, coupled with the fact Coleman 'may' have been worried about England poaching him, his cap looks reasonably innocent. But still, fast forward a few years, while looking at how little Wilson has progressed, and it does look a little bit strange. Yeah people bang on about that Wilson cap yet they do forget about how many players couldn't be arsed that day and how Coleman probably knew it was Bellamy's last game |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2016 17:31:07 GMT
Another point to add to bring us back to the context of that game. We were just coming off the back of Speed's time at the helm. He had us playing a lot of 4-5-1. We were very much short on depth and quality on the wings as much as we were no.9. After this problematic teething period, the management team decided to ditch using out and out wingers altogether and build our team shape around areas of the pitch where we are stronger.
Maybe Coleman thought by putting Wilson in the limelight he could also raise his profile and fast track his career a little. Perhaps Coleman didn't repeat this kind of cap because he too felt he made a mistake. But importantly, learned from it.
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Post by jonnylitts on Jul 15, 2016 8:21:27 GMT
Admittedly it's only u21 level but Harry Wilson has a great free kick on him and his previous performances for the u21's show that he has talent. He is small though, maybe not designed at 18 for playing at Crewe. Needs to bulk out more but I think he has the talent to succeed (if he can get his strength up)
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Post by jamaro on Jul 17, 2016 16:56:08 GMT
Scored for Liverpool again today
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Post by manulike on Jul 17, 2016 17:03:13 GMT
Scored again today.
Very impressed with Woodburn's 45 minutes at Wigan.
He looked strong, solid and very positive. Always looking for the killer pass and often bursting forward.
Interesting to see if Klopp takes him on the tour to the Satates
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Post by biwmares on Jul 17, 2016 17:36:56 GMT
Here is his goal.
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Post by quetzal on Jul 17, 2016 17:43:06 GMT
Get him in the full squad. Bring him on last minute against Moldova
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 17, 2016 19:22:45 GMT
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Post by northerndragon on Jul 17, 2016 22:35:03 GMT
I would 100% put him the the next squad. If were building towards the next world cup, this kid could be important. I just hope the coaching staff are aware he has scored in his last two games for Liverpool.
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