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Post by matty on Aug 6, 2017 11:02:42 GMT
Which game is Woodburn most likely to make his Welsh debut?
Austria
Moldova
Georgia
Rep of Ireland
None of the above
My guess is Moldova.
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Post by zenith on Aug 6, 2017 11:04:23 GMT
Which game is Woodburn most likely to make his Welsh debut? Austria Moldova Georgia Rep of Ireland None of the above My guess is Moldova. Youll be able to have a better guess in 3 weeks time. If we have a full squad then potentially none of the games. However if we are more or less out by the time we play Moldova it'll be that. |
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Post by matty on Aug 6, 2017 11:16:50 GMT
Which game is Woodburn most likely to make his Welsh debut? Austria Moldova Georgia Rep of Ireland None of the above My guess is Moldova. Youll be able to have a better guess in 3 weeks time. If we have a full squad then potentially none of the games. However if we are more or less out by the time we play Moldova it'll be that. The questions over his international future mean he'll get capped this campaign I'm sure. The next competitive game is a year away, and despite what he has said about playing for wales there'll be questions until he's capped. The Austria game should be tight, but an early goal against Moldova and I think we win easy with Woodburn a second half sub. |
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Post by manulike on Aug 6, 2017 12:15:17 GMT
Youll be able to have a better guess in 3 weeks time. If we have a full squad then potentially none of the games. However if we are more or less out by the time we play Moldova it'll be that. The questions over his international future mean he'll get capped this campaign I'm sure. The next competitive game is a year away, and despite what he has said about playing for wales there'll be questions until he's capped. The Austria game should be tight, but an early goal against Moldova and I think we win easy with Woodburn a second half sub. If we fail to beat Austria (and I am certainly not suggesting this!) then the match v Moldova has almost no importance as points gained and even goals scored there do not count towards the play-offs, as far as i understand it. So if Serbia and ROI both win their own games that day, and we dont - I imagine Woodburn is a certainty to come on v Moldova. In fact - I imagine Huws and Tom Lawrence starting that match, as well... |
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Post by derynglas on Aug 6, 2017 14:22:10 GMT
The Moldova game will count in terms of finishing second but not in terms of which second
placed team misses out.Thats my understanding anyway.
So it seems highly unlikely the Moldova game will be a dead rubber.
Nevertheless its surely almost certain that Woodburn will be involved at some stage in the next
double header and probably Huws,maybe even Lawrence,depending on how they start the
season and how many weve got out.
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 6, 2017 17:20:45 GMT
Why is everyone presuming that we'll only cap Woodburn in a dead rubber?
As far as I'm concerned he's done enough to be at least on par with some of our other squad members
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Post by matty on Aug 6, 2017 18:35:15 GMT
Why is everyone presuming that we'll only cap Woodburn in a dead rubber? As far as I'm concerned he's done enough to be at least on par with some of our other squad members I never suggested a dead rubber but certainly a game that is tight is less suited to a youngster who is still so inexperienced. If it was up to me I'd have capped him by now, or I'd take a risk and start him against Austria instead of the suspended Allen. Coleman is less likely to take such a risk though. |
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Post by manulike on Aug 6, 2017 18:50:45 GMT
Why is everyone presuming that we'll only cap Woodburn in a dead rubber? As far as I'm concerned he's done enough to be at least on par with some of our other squad members I never suggested a dead rubber but certainly a game that is tight is less suited to a youngster who is still so inexperienced. If it was up to me I'd have capped him by now, or I'd take a risk and start him against Austria instead of the suspended Allen. Coleman is less likely to take such a risk though. If that happens, the FAW would be on the phone to the police ASAP complaining that Brian Flynn has somehow abducted Cookie and is using his body ... and THAT suit ... |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 6, 2017 19:37:53 GMT
I'd have no issue in playing or even starting him against Austria, he's a special talent and I hope he can flourish in this coming season
Somewhat fortunately for both us and Woodburn the English press seem to have decided to make Trent Alexander-Arnold their darling instead of Woodburn which is taking the focus away from him and should allow him to develop without huge media scrutiny
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Post by matty on Aug 6, 2017 19:44:18 GMT
I never suggested a dead rubber but certainly a game that is tight is less suited to a youngster who is still so inexperienced. If it was up to me I'd have capped him by now, or I'd take a risk and start him against Austria instead of the suspended Allen. Coleman is less likely to take such a risk though. If that happens, the FAW would be on the phone to the police ASAP complaining that Brian Flynn has somehow abducted Cookie and is using his body ... and THAT suit ... I saw a few Liverpool fans last season complain that Woodburn was making too many short, easy passes and I thought Allen had rejoiced them for a second!  |
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Post by jbt95 on Aug 6, 2017 21:00:39 GMT
One of these line ups v Austria?
Hennessey
Gunter Chester Williams Davies
Huws Edwards
Woodburn Ramsey
Bale
Vokes
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Hennessey
Gunter Chester Williams Davies Richards
Edwards
Woodburn Ramsey
Bale
Vokes
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Post by Enganche on Aug 7, 2017 7:49:18 GMT
I think Coleman would be reluctant to play him in such a high pressure game, seeing as he's 17 and only played 5 senior games. Saying that though, we might well be forced with Allen out, and Ledley, Huws and Edwards all doubts.
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Post by zenith on Aug 7, 2017 15:41:11 GMT
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Post by cadno on Aug 7, 2017 17:19:55 GMT
I'm surprised how many people seem to want Woodburn to start against Austria in such a big game, yes he's a quality talent but surely we need someone experienced to play alongside Ledley. Edwards or Huws for me, and I wouldn't mind seeing Joniesta there if he plays a few games for Palace beforehand.
Ledley should start if he's fit, it's not ideal that he hasn't got a club atm but his experience will be vital, especially in the absence of Allen.
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Post by iot on Aug 7, 2017 21:14:50 GMT
I'm surprised how many people seem to want Woodburn to start against Austria in such a big game, yes he's a quality talent but surely we need someone experienced to play alongside Ledley. Edwards or Huws for me, and I wouldn't mind seeing Joniesta there if he plays a few games for Palace beforehand. Ledley should start if he's fit, it's not ideal that he hasn't got a club atm but his experience will be vital, especially in the absence of Allen. Not sure anyone's talking about starting Woodburn in the midfield two next to Ledley - that would be crazy! Our defence would be completely exposed. The same goes for Jonny, he's extremely good on the ball but he's not a disciplined player at all. If you bring in one of those two, or Lawrence for that matter, you drop Rambo back and play them in the more advanced role. |
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Post by cadno on Aug 8, 2017 9:49:55 GMT
I'm surprised how many people seem to want Woodburn to start against Austria in such a big game, yes he's a quality talent but surely we need someone experienced to play alongside Ledley. Edwards or Huws for me, and I wouldn't mind seeing Joniesta there if he plays a few games for Palace beforehand. Ledley should start if he's fit, it's not ideal that he hasn't got a club atm but his experience will be vital, especially in the absence of Allen. Not sure anyone's talking about starting Woodburn in the midfield two next to Ledley - that would be crazy! Our defence would be completely exposed. The same goes for Jonny, he's extremely good on the ball but he's not a disciplined player at all. If you bring in one of those two, or Lawrence for that matter, you drop Rambo back and play them in the more advanced role. I've made this point a couple of times - Jonny has played CM alongside Ledley in two big games and he was very good - Croatia at the Liberty, and against Bosnia in the last campaign. Dropping Rambo back with Lawrence/Woodburn up top is a decent shout. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 8, 2017 10:22:40 GMT
I'd like to see him stay with Liverpool this season and gain more experience with the first 11 before going out on loan. All the words from Klopp this summer point toward an increase in game time in 17/18, if that's the case then he'll be capped this Autumn for sure.
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Post by iot on Aug 8, 2017 12:42:25 GMT
Not sure anyone's talking about starting Woodburn in the midfield two next to Ledley - that would be crazy! Our defence would be completely exposed. The same goes for Jonny, he's extremely good on the ball but he's not a disciplined player at all. If you bring in one of those two, or Lawrence for that matter, you drop Rambo back and play them in the more advanced role. I've made this point a couple of times - Jonny has played CM alongside Ledley in two big games and he was very good - Croatia at the Liberty, and against Bosnia in the last campaign. Dropping Rambo back with Lawrence/Woodburn up top is a decent shout. He definitely didn't play in a midfield two against Croatia. I remember that game well and he was brilliant, but played wide right in the front three. Not sure if he started there against Bosnia, both King and Ledley played so I would assume they formed the midfield two. Anyway, I think he has fantastic ability but I wouldn't trust him at all to play Allen's role and sit in front of the defence against Austria. |
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Post by cadno on Aug 8, 2017 14:11:16 GMT
I've made this point a couple of times - Jonny has played CM alongside Ledley in two big games and he was very good - Croatia at the Liberty, and against Bosnia in the last campaign. Dropping Rambo back with Lawrence/Woodburn up top is a decent shout. He definitely didn't play in a midfield two against Croatia. I remember that game well and he was brilliant, but played wide right in the front three. Not sure if he started there against Bosnia, both King and Ledley played so I would assume they formed the midfield two. Anyway, I think he has fantastic ability but I wouldn't trust him at all to play Allen's role and sit in front of the defence against Austria. Yeah you are right actually, although he wasn't fixed on the right, he drifted into the middle at times. He did play CM alongside Ledley against Bosnia, King played more advanced in Ramsey's role but they both interchanged depending where the play was happening (on the left or the right). Ledley was the main anchorman as per usual. Fair enough I respect your opinion mate! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 14:27:46 GMT
JW played in a midfield 3 with king and Lesley v Croatia....where he arguably had his best outing for us v Modric and co.
HRK, bale and bellers were up front.
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Post by iot on Aug 8, 2017 16:11:15 GMT
JW played in a midfield 3 with king and Lesley v Croatia....where he arguably had his best outing for us v Modric and co. HRK, bale and bellers were up front. I wouldn't mind him in a midfield three, that's completely different imo. Ledley Ramsey Jonny |
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 9, 2017 6:05:20 GMT
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Post by richierich333 on Aug 9, 2017 6:50:11 GMT
JW played in a midfield 3 with king and Lesley v Croatia....where he arguably had his best outing for us v Modric and co. HRK, bale and bellers were up front. 1-2 in Croatia with green and white kit? Spring 2013 I think. Should have got a point in that one. Wasn't it his debut? |
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Post by zenith on Aug 9, 2017 7:10:28 GMT
We'll have him at Cardiff please 👍🏻 |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 9, 2017 7:14:06 GMT
If the rumours are to be believed that Coutinho is on his way to Barca, there's even more chance of game time and development at Liverpool. He's obviously in Klopp's plans this season, which can only be a good thing.
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Post by welshiron on Aug 9, 2017 9:38:52 GMT
We'll have him at Cardiff please 👍🏻 Warnock wouldn't play him |
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Post by zenith on Aug 9, 2017 9:55:04 GMT
We'll have him at Cardiff please 👍🏻 Warnock wouldn't play him And why would you think that? |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 9, 2017 10:20:23 GMT
25Etheridge
5Ecuele MangaSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 65'minutes
4Morrison
14Bamba
2Peltier
17Gunnarsson
8Ralls
3Bennett
7TomlinSubstituted forDamourat 65'minutes
10Zohore
33HoilettSubstituted forD Wardat 80'minutes
Spot the youngsters
Then spot the welsh players
then spot the welsh youngsters
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Post by kingstonred on Aug 9, 2017 10:25:00 GMT
25Etheridge 5Ecuele MangaSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 65'minutes 4Morrison 14Bamba 2Peltier 17Gunnarsson 8Ralls 3Bennett 7TomlinSubstituted forDamourat 65'minutes 10Zohore 33HoilettSubstituted forD Wardat 80'minutes Spot the youngsters Then spot the welsh players then spot the welsh youngsters I'm sure it would be different if he had a player like Woodburn at his disposal. I'm a Cardiff fan, and as much as I would love numerous Welshmen in the team, I wouldn't pick a Welshman over a better England, Dutch or Zambian player! If HRK was in the Cardiff Squad, I'd still start Zohore - despite him being one of my Favourite Wales players |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 9, 2017 10:28:01 GMT
Do the same with the reseves who played pompey, did spot one welsh man
28MurphyBooked at 45mins
6Richards
4Morrison
5Ecuele Manga
15Halford
23KennedySubstituted forHoilettat 87'minutes
22O'Keefe
20DamourSubstituted forRallsat 102'minutes
13PilkingtonSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 45'minutes
7TomlinSubstituted forMeiteat 97'minutes
9D Ward
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