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Post by zenith on Aug 9, 2017 11:00:30 GMT
25Etheridge 5Ecuele MangaSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 65'minutes 4Morrison 14Bamba 2Peltier 17Gunnarsson 8Ralls 3Bennett 7TomlinSubstituted forDamourat 65'minutes 10Zohore 33HoilettSubstituted forD Wardat 80'minutes Spot the youngsters Then spot the welsh players then spot the welsh youngsters You know Kenneth Zohore is 23 don't you? He picks the best team at his disposal, Declan John has proved he is nowhere near good enough I'm afraid. Jazz Richards will definitely get his games, it's a long old season. You don't really have an argument to say he wouldn't start youngsters when he played a number of them at the end of last season, as well as last night in the cup! |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 9, 2017 11:33:13 GMT
23 is not a youngster and he tried to ship Zohore out last season before he was forced to play him
also, any manager will play yongsters when there is nothing on the game
On another note are the full backs better than Jazz?
Declan John has himself to blame by staying at Cardiff, think he is ideally suited to play as a wing back in a back 5. Personally think he's not a good enugh defender to play in a back 4
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 9, 2017 16:38:56 GMT
25Etheridge 5Ecuele MangaSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 65'minutes 4Morrison 14Bamba 2Peltier 17Gunnarsson 8Ralls 3Bennett 7TomlinSubstituted forDamourat 65'minutes 10Zohore 33HoilettSubstituted forD Wardat 80'minutes Spot the youngsters Then spot the welsh players then spot the welsh youngsters Neil Warnock doesn't have a responsibility to play Welsh players, just pick the best ones at his disposal and who he thinks fits the system, if Woodburn played for Cardiff he'd be straight in that team in place of Hoilett |
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Post by iot on Aug 9, 2017 17:00:56 GMT
25Etheridge 5Ecuele MangaSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 65'minutes 4Morrison 14Bamba 2Peltier 17Gunnarsson 8Ralls 3Bennett 7TomlinSubstituted forDamourat 65'minutes 10Zohore 33HoilettSubstituted forD Wardat 80'minutes Spot the youngsters Then spot the welsh players then spot the welsh youngsters Neil Warnock doesn't have a responsibility to play Welsh players, just pick the best ones at his disposal and who he thinks fits the system, if Woodburn played for Cardiff he'd be straight in that team in place of Hoilett He doesn't have a duty but it would be nice, don't you think? I think it's fair enough for Welsh fans to have grievances about our top Welsh clubs playing no welshmen week-in week-out and failing to provide any opportunities for Welsh youth either. It doesn't seem to be a consideration even. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 9, 2017 17:07:09 GMT
Neil Warnock doesn't have a responsibility to play Welsh players, just pick the best ones at his disposal and who he thinks fits the system, if Woodburn played for Cardiff he'd be straight in that team in place of Hoilett He doesn't have a duty but it would be nice, don't you think? I think it's fair enough for Welsh fans to have grievances about our top Welsh clubs playing no welshmen week-in week-out and failing to provide any opportunities for Welsh youth either. It doesn't seem to be a consideration even. I'd love to have 11 local lads or Welshmen in the side for Cardiff, but unfortunately even having around 5/6 doesn't seem feasible at the moment With Cardiff's rush to the Premier League a few years ago and the rebrand the academy took a back seat and has been a bit of a mess for the past few years Luckily Bellamy seems to be getting it in order and small progress has been shown with Mark Harris' debut and Sion Spence and Cameron Coxe being included in squads, their only small steps but the academy is in far better shape than it was a couple of years ago The entire academy system in Britain is a bit messed up though that's a discussion for another thread, back to this one, with Coutinho looking likely to join Barca, does Woodburn become a regular for the first team squad? Would that put him in line to start a few early Premier League games with Liverpool keeping half an eye on their Champions League Playoff with Hoffenheim? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 9, 2017 18:20:37 GMT
All the talk from Klopp is that Woodburn will play a bigger role this season, with or without Countinho. Gotta say, I'm looking forward to it!
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Post by matty on Aug 9, 2017 20:26:05 GMT
25Etheridge 5Ecuele MangaSubstituted forMendez-Laingat 65'minutes 4Morrison 14Bamba 2Peltier 17Gunnarsson 8Ralls 3Bennett 7TomlinSubstituted forDamourat 65'minutes 10Zohore 33HoilettSubstituted forD Wardat 80'minutes Spot the youngsters Then spot the welsh players then spot the welsh youngsters You know Kenneth Zohore is 23 don't you? He picks the best team at his disposal, Declan John has proved he is nowhere near good enough I'm afraid. Jazz Richards will definitely get his games, it's a long old season. You don't really have an argument to say he wouldn't start youngsters when he played a number of them at the end of last season, as well as last night in the cup! No point trying to talk to welshiron about Cardiff. He has proven that he hates the club and cannot be reasoned with - even when you prove him wrong he changes the goalposts so don't bother wasting your time. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 9, 2017 21:08:02 GMT
You know Kenneth Zohore is 23 don't you? He picks the best team at his disposal, Declan John has proved he is nowhere near good enough I'm afraid. Jazz Richards will definitely get his games, it's a long old season. You don't really have an argument to say he wouldn't start youngsters when he played a number of them at the end of last season, as well as last night in the cup! No point trying to talk to welshiron about Cardiff. He has proven that he hates the club and cannot be reasoned with - even when you prove him wrong he changes the goalposts so don't bother wasting your time. Don't hate Cardiff I was born in the city However I am right on this one what did Harris play in probably a cup where warnock was happy to lose When Warlock plays youngsters in a meaningful game I will apologise Don't hate Cardiff but find them impossible to support in any way over the last few years Maybe I bumped into at games like Cardiff v alder shot over the years |
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Post by zenith on Aug 9, 2017 22:03:59 GMT
All the talk from Klopp is that Woodburn will play a bigger role this season, with or without Countinho. Gotta say, I'm looking forward to it! If they sell Coutinho for say, 120 million, they will buy in 2 or 3 players with that money and Woodburn will probably get loaned out. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Aug 10, 2017 22:43:40 GMT
All the talk from Klopp is that Woodburn will play a bigger role this season, with or without Countinho. Gotta say, I'm looking forward to it! If they sell Coutinho for say, 120 million, they will buy in 2 or 3 players with that money and Woodburn will probably get loaned out. Shortsightedness if they do that. Surely Liverpool would want to make sure Woodburn progresses with them. |
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Post by zenith on Aug 10, 2017 23:17:40 GMT
If they sell Coutinho for say, 120 million, they will buy in 2 or 3 players with that money and Woodburn will probably get loaned out. Shortsightedness if they do that. Surely Liverpool would want to make sure Woodburn progresses with them. They are in the Champions League this season and will want to make the QF at least, I should think that's the minimum target. Top 4 in the Premier League too and they are not going to get that with any sort of reliance on Woodburn in my opinion. Maybe next year after a 20-30 game stint with a loan club but it's too early for him, as talented as he is. I would much prefer to see him get six months at a Championship club on loan and then go back to Liverpool after a hopefully successful period and add something different to their team. But let's not kid ourselves, he hasn't done anything yet - he can do it in pre season games but the boy is 17 he has a long way to go. A loan would be best, look at what loan deals did for Dele Alli. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 11, 2017 9:23:11 GMT
Dele Alli never went on loan, he also played in league 1,
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Post by zenith on Aug 11, 2017 13:10:43 GMT
Dele Alli never went on loan, he also played in league 1, Yes he did, he was loaned back to MK Dons |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 11, 2017 14:35:01 GMT
By no means an expert but Alli got ito the Spurs team almost as soon as he got there. Maybe they signed him in the January and he saw out the sason with them in league 1
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Post by welwyn on Aug 12, 2017 10:23:49 GMT
By no means an expert but Alli got ito the Spurs team almost as soon as he got there. Maybe they signed him in the January and he saw out the sason with them in league 1 That's exactly what happened |
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Post by zenith on Aug 12, 2017 10:43:36 GMT
No Woodburn in today's Liverpool squad.
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Post by hookd on Aug 12, 2017 10:48:20 GMT
No Woodburn in the match day squad today unfortunately. Bit disappointing. ... especially given they have a spot in the team for Trent Alexander-Arnold. What has this Trent guy done? Oh well saves me wasting my time watching that match. This is the worst case scenario for Wales. You have a player who has great talent but needs a run of games. He would presumably be able to play and garner experience in the Championship. However, instead he could be stuck in the U23s with a couple of first team appearances as a sub. I was hoping he could get some game time ahead of Austria. Totally understand from Liverpool's perspective - he is too good to loan out as they may need him. But just typical of our luck! |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 12, 2017 11:18:02 GMT
Yeah the way Klopp has been talking I expected him to at least make the bench. There are still opportunities for game time with the champions league qualifiers but he may not get a look in there either.
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Post by zenith on Aug 12, 2017 11:43:33 GMT
Yeah the way Klopp has been talking I expected him to at least make the bench. There are still opportunities for game time with the champions league qualifiers but he may not get a look in there either. There is a rule that you need to have a certain amount of homegrown players for Champions League so he might fit the bill for that. However, i would much prefer to be at a lower end Premier League club and getting games than playing 23s for Liverpool. |
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Post by welshiron on Aug 12, 2017 11:48:13 GMT
I doubt he will play champions league, they don't play in the league cup till the next round so probably no game time before Austria.
Really surprised he hasn't made the bench and looks like Solanki is ahead of him. With Lallana and Coutinhio (or new signing) to come in I can't see him playing much
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Post by iot on Aug 12, 2017 12:20:26 GMT
Yeah the way Klopp has been talking I expected him to at least make the bench. There are still opportunities for game time with the champions league qualifiers but he may not get a look in there either. Never trust what Klopp says. Don't you remember him constantly showering praise on Joe Allen before benching him every time? |
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 12, 2017 14:13:58 GMT
Yeah the way Klopp has been talking I expected him to at least make the bench. There are still opportunities for game time with the champions league qualifiers but he may not get a look in there either. There is a rule that you need to have a certain amount of homegrown players for Champions League so he might fit the bill for that. However, i would much prefer to be at a lower end Premier League club and getting games than playing 23s for Liverpool. Lets hope he gets some involvement soon, if not then any loan deal where he makes the first team is preferable to u23s football. |
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Post by manulike on Aug 12, 2017 17:26:37 GMT
Seeing that Huws and Edwards are still out injured, we really need Ben to get some game time, as he may well be called upon with the absence of the suspended Allen
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Post by matty on Aug 13, 2017 20:56:51 GMT
No point trying to talk to welshiron about Cardiff. He has proven that he hates the club and cannot be reasoned with - even when you prove him wrong he changes the goalposts so don't bother wasting your time. Don't hate Cardiff I was born in the city However I am right on this one what did Harris play in probably a cup where warnock was happy to lose When Warlock plays youngsters in a meaningful game I will apologise Don't hate Cardiff but find them impossible to support in any way over the last few years Maybe I bumped into at games like Cardiff v alder shot over the years You can have valid points about Cardiff - I agree on certain points especially the current situation - but you seem to always have a glass half empty view on the club. By that I mean you cannot doubt the impact the club has had for the past 20 years on Wales, yet you fail to recognise this. There is a current lull in producing Welsh internationals but that is not the fault of Cardiff. They do not turn away talented young Welsh players - if they did there would be other clubs snapping them up, so the problem lies deeper. The question we need to ask is why hasn't the city and surrounding areas produced any quality players in the past five years or so. |
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Post by alarch on Aug 14, 2017 9:24:50 GMT
This question can also be posed of Swansea and indeed most club sides in Wales in the WPL as well as the English pyramid. It's telling that the national team is increasingly reliant on Anglos coming through. Almost all the outstanding talents in the age grade squads are Anglos - very few are Welsh born and bred.
Criticism of Cardiff and Swansea is valid if they are not providing opportunities for young Welsh talent to shine. But I see no evidence of this. On the contrary, Swansea at least are recruiting more widely across Wales than ever before. For instance, the likes of Alex Samuel came from Aberystwyth - Swansea recruiting from Ceredigion was unheard of until recently.
The problem seems to be that there seems to be a dearth of top-level talent in Wales at the moment. This may be a cyclical thing to an extent, but we also have to look at the fundamentals - which is the development of talent at grass-roots level. Clearly, the FAW Trust is doing some excellent work, and the direction of travel is a positive one - but the accomplishments of the Icelandic footballing system show how much further we need to go.
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Post by manulike on Aug 14, 2017 10:53:47 GMT
Boys, please ...
There is a certain 17 year-old that gets alerts to his phone every time you post here ...
Please keep to the thread topic ;-)
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Post by kingstonred on Aug 14, 2017 12:33:23 GMT
No Woodburn or Wilson in Liverpool Champions League Squad...
Alexander-Arnold, Moreno, Lovren, Milner, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Can, Mane, Salah, Firmino, Kent, Solanke, Origi, Gomez, Klavan, Flanagan, Robertson, Matip, Grujic, Mignolet, Karius, Ward.
I thought it was maybe because they are both young, so don't need to be named, but then Alexander Arnold is only 18!
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Post by CrackityJones on Aug 14, 2017 14:11:19 GMT
FFS looks like no game time for young Benjamin before our double header in three weeks. I had high hopes of him becoming a Liverpool squad regular this season. Early days I know but I cant help but think that Bundesliga loan would be preferable now.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Aug 14, 2017 14:16:30 GMT
No Woodburn or Wilson in Liverpool Champions League Squad... Alexander-Arnold, Moreno, Lovren, Milner, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Can, Mane, Salah, Firmino, Kent, Solanke, Origi, Gomez, Klavan, Flanagan, Robertson, Matip, Grujic, Mignolet, Karius, Ward. I thought it was maybe because they are both young, so don't need to be named, but then Alexander Arnold is only 18! If Football Manager has taught me anything its that you have to be 18 on or before 1/1/18 to not have to be registered in the European squad. Maybe his DOB falls before this. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Aug 14, 2017 14:55:48 GMT
No Woodburn or Wilson in Liverpool Champions League Squad... Alexander-Arnold, Moreno, Lovren, Milner, Wijnaldum, Henderson, Can, Mane, Salah, Firmino, Kent, Solanke, Origi, Gomez, Klavan, Flanagan, Robertson, Matip, Grujic, Mignolet, Karius, Ward. I thought it was maybe because they are both young, so don't need to be named, but then Alexander Arnold is only 18! If Football Manager has taught me anything its that you have to be 18 on or before 1/1/18 to not have to be registered in the European squad. Maybe his DOB falls before this. Football Manager has shown me that its 20 on the 1st of January isn't it? 4 homegrown at the club and 8 in the nation Alexander-Arnold is probably only listed to make up the 4 from the club thing, otherwise they wouldn't bother listing him as he'd be 19 on the 1/1/18. |
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