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Post by manulike on Sept 3, 2017 9:39:40 GMT
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Post by ger93 on Sept 3, 2017 9:41:27 GMT
Looks the real deal. I didn't realise he was so good. Incredibly conposed for a youngster even on 90 mins, 1-0 up!
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Post by hookd on Sept 3, 2017 12:11:41 GMT
Wish we would stop having the chip on our shoulder. Its OK when you are failing badly but lets focus on us and our talent rather than reverting to this pathetic type of headline in the WoS:
Are you watching Inger-lund? How Wales snatched Liverpool FC sensation Ben Woodburn from under England's noses
We have recruited England qualified youngsters by offering something positive not through this pathetic, backward looking type of defensiveness.
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 3, 2017 13:23:15 GMT
I'm still buzzing, God knows how he must feel!
He was excellent last night, not only the goal, but some of the touches and skills he was pulling off on his debut! Incredible
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Post by CrackityJones on Sept 3, 2017 14:11:43 GMT
Sensational goal and what timing right at the end of an awesome rendition of the anthem.
The celebrations will live long in the memory.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 3, 2017 15:28:00 GMT
Sensational goal and what time timing right at the end of an awesome rendition of the anthem. The celebrations will live long in the memory. Had few texts from mates from derby saying exactly same... great support and a wonder goal. |
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Post by manulike on Sept 3, 2017 15:52:35 GMT
Sensational goal and what time timing right at the end of an awesome rendition of the anthem. The celebrations will live long in the memory. Had few texts from mates from derby saying exactly same... great support and a wonder goal. your lad Tom was also excellent last night - totally justifying starting and probably felt a tad aggrieved to be taken off - but I imagine that five minutes later, that sensation would have eased dramatically ... |
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Post by alarch on Sept 3, 2017 16:05:32 GMT
Promising game from Lawrence - his work-rate off the ball impressed me the most - and it was needed given that Vokes isn't mobile enough to contribute and Bale was Bale (apart from a key interception late it annoyed me how he just doesn't react to obvious opportunities to press the ball when an opponent is just a few metres away - he just doesn't have the right defensive instincts).
In attack Lawrence was good up to a point. Lot's of good intent, but a bit naive with some of his choice - often trying to beat a man too many, when a simple lay-off could have worked wonders with the space he'd created by drawing defenders towards him. He also needs to curb some of the rash needless challenges he makes. But there's sign of progress for sure, and I can see him becoming a mainstay of the squad at least for years to come.
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Sept 3, 2017 16:17:07 GMT
Promising game from Lawrence - his work-rate off the ball impressed me the most - and it was needed given that Vokes isn't mobile enough to contribute and Bale was Bale (apart from a key interception late it annoyed me how he just doesn't react to obvious opportunities to press the ball when an opponent is just a few metres away - he just doesn't have the right defensive instincts). In attack Lawrence was good up to a point. Lot's of good intent, but a bit naive with some of his choice - often trying to beat a man too many, when a simple lay-off could have worked wonders with the space he'd created by drawing defenders towards him. He also needs to curb some of the rash needless challenges he makes. But there's sign of progress for sure, and I can see him becoming a mainstay of the squad at least for years to come. Total agree. Thought he got confident more game went on. |
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Post by saints19 on Sept 3, 2017 17:15:44 GMT
Promising game from Lawrence - his work-rate off the ball impressed me the most - and it was needed given that Vokes isn't mobile enough to contribute and Bale was Bale (apart from a key interception late it annoyed me how he just doesn't react to obvious opportunities to press the ball when an opponent is just a few metres away - he just doesn't have the right defensive instincts). In attack Lawrence was good up to a point. Lot's of good intent, but a bit naive with some of his choice - often trying to beat a man too many, when a simple lay-off could have worked wonders with the space he'd created by drawing defenders towards him. He also needs to curb some of the rash needless challenges he makes. But there's sign of progress for sure, and I can see him becoming a mainstay of the squad at least for years to come. I agree about Bale. I don't know what was up with him last night and if he was tired, or if Coleman was instructing him to save his energy for attacking, but on a number of occasions he looked downright lazy. Again, maybe an instruction from Coleman, but as you say when an opponent is that close there isn't really any reason not close them down. |
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Post by alarch on Sept 3, 2017 17:51:29 GMT
Bale is like that more often than not. I don't think it's laziness - he often tracks back - and he prevented an easy goal late on. It's just that he's not defensively minded - a bit odd for a player who started out as a left back. When the ball's near him now I expect him not to press - that's his norm. You can see with the Madrista might get on his back because of it. An Alexis Sanchez he certainly isn't. But then when he produces the sublime back-flick that put Davies in on goal, as well as that crucial intervention late on it's isn't too hard to forgive this one glaring shortcoming - irritating though it is.
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Post by saints19 on Sept 3, 2017 18:15:26 GMT
I'd love to be him right now! Ben Woodburn, speaking to Sky Sports: "The ball just came out of the air and I just tried to shoot it as quickly as I could. "It's a great feeling, I couldn't ask for much more from the fans. "I won't sleep tonight." Gareth Bale: "We won't let him sleep tonight." Let the lad sleep. He's only 17, he needs more sleep than an adult and is about to make possibly the longest plane journey of his life. We don't want the kid jetlagged. Bale can go and play poker online into the wee hours or whatever. |
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Post by welshorp on Sept 3, 2017 18:40:26 GMT
Wood burns on the fire!
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Post by manulike on Sept 3, 2017 19:05:46 GMT
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Post by dai on Sept 3, 2017 22:07:42 GMT
I still can't get over this goal. Must have watched the replay about 50 times now. Completely unforgettable.
Reminded me a lot of the Bale screamer home to Scotland. Pressure cooker type atmosphere, frustration, nerves......GOAL!
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Post by zenith on Sept 3, 2017 22:15:00 GMT
Promising game from Lawrence - his work-rate off the ball impressed me the most - and it was needed given that Vokes isn't mobile enough to contribute and Bale was Bale (apart from a key interception late it annoyed me how he just doesn't react to obvious opportunities to press the ball when an opponent is just a few metres away - he just doesn't have the right defensive instincts). In attack Lawrence was good up to a point. Lot's of good intent, but a bit naive with some of his choice - often trying to beat a man too many, when a simple lay-off could have worked wonders with the space he'd created by drawing defenders towards him. He also needs to curb some of the rash needless challenges he makes. But there's sign of progress for sure, and I can see him becoming a mainstay of the squad at least for years to come. Definite member of the squad now for a long while, funny though as I thought George Williams would have had this role and not Lawrence, 2-3 years ago of course it was this way round. G Williams in the Euro squad and Moldova but zilch since, injured again as well. |
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Post by hookd on Sept 3, 2017 23:51:16 GMT
Three points to note on Woodburn:
1. I saw it with Giggs (dribbling), I saw it with Bale (awesome goals, runs) and I saw it with Ramsey (everything!) at U21 levels. They had that star quality - their technique stood head and shoulders above all the other players on the pitch at that age level. They made a difference, did something special every time they played - especially Ramsey. We had seen it with clips from Woodburn when he played for even younger age groups. Like them he has now delivered on the big stage - so he not only has it, but he has their awesome temperament too! Furthermore, his immediate impact is obviously even more astonishing that of those other stars! We would likely have drawn that match without his intervention. Would great technique, that ball was instantly controlled coming down from a height, he immediately moved it to the side, then a perfect strike without any backlift curling away from the keeper into the corner. The amazing thing is that is NOT a worldy for this player. That technique and his amazing technique / accuracy with the shot is typical of what he regularly produces.
2. We used to complain about the 'English' media over hyping England players. However, lets be honest - look at the incredible attention Woodburn has had this weekend and look what attention Bale (and even Ramsey) have had when they delivered and pulled away from his peers. It is pretty obvious the media just want the story / the star / the point of difference.
3. Attacking threats - Bale / Ramsey / Woodburn (and a supporting caste of Lawrence/Robson Kanu/Vokes and maybe Brooks soon) - WOW! We have to get to Russia. What does the world cup need - those talents or Shane Long?
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Sept 4, 2017 11:05:38 GMT
Promising game from Lawrence - his work-rate off the ball impressed me the most - and it was needed given that Vokes isn't mobile enough to contribute and Bale was Bale (apart from a key interception late it annoyed me how he just doesn't react to obvious opportunities to press the ball when an opponent is just a few metres away - he just doesn't have the right defensive instincts). In attack Lawrence was good up to a point. Lot's of good intent, but a bit naive with some of his choice - often trying to beat a man too many, when a simple lay-off could have worked wonders with the space he'd created by drawing defenders towards him. He also needs to curb some of the rash needless challenges he makes. But there's sign of progress for sure, and I can see him becoming a mainstay of the squad at least for years to come. Yeah he is a little lightweight for me, gets knocked off the ball way too easily. But no doubt hes got some talent. |
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Post by welshiron on Sept 4, 2017 12:29:04 GMT
Quality debut and I really think he will go on and have a great career, I am also hopeful about Wilson and Ampadu
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 12:47:10 GMT
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 4, 2017 14:23:18 GMT
Players like Woodburn opting to stick with Wales is obviously brilliant news for us and shows the hard work has paid off
England are only bothered about these players at 16/17/18 and the fact they expected players who've been in the Welsh setup for years to switch as soon as they asked just shows the sheer arrogance of the English FA
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Post by alarch on Sept 4, 2017 15:25:50 GMT
Excellent points hookd. As you say it wasn't just Woodburn's strike that is exceptional. The way he killed the high ball stone dead, then took the subtle touch to move the ball slightly to the right of the defender ahead of him was absolutely out of the top drawer. And then the finish - amazing power and accuracy for such a slightly built player. All down to perfect technique.
If we go with a similar configuration to how we finished the match then it's a toss-up between Lawrence and Woodburn for the wide left slot. I suspect Coleman will start with Lawrence - to protect Woodburn a bit, but then unleash him for the last half hour or so. I think this would be the sensible thing to do - but I certainly wouldn't mind him starting with Woodburn.
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Post by joseywales37 on Sept 4, 2017 15:32:32 GMT
Is it bad that when I saw him on touchline waiting to come on, in my mind, my middle finger was pointing at England, and when he scored, I was actually mooning them. Is that bad of me? lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 15:42:26 GMT
For me it is more significant that Woodburn will potentially complete a triumvurate - with Bale & Ramsey.
I always thought that having 2 world/top class attack minded players is good enough to qualify and have a presence in a finals - but to have a trio - a triangle - would give defenders nightmares and free up so much space all over the pitch - we saw a glimpse of this in the last quarter on Saturday - and not even including a 'centre forward'
Considering Wilson, Roberts, Brooks et al - who Coleman has said will be joining Woodburn sooner rather than later - this is very exciting - I really hope we can qualify in this window of opportunity - we could be very dangerous again if we do.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Sept 4, 2017 15:43:17 GMT
Is it bad that when I saw him on touchline waiting to come on, in my mind, my middle finger was pointing at England, and when he scored, I was actually mooning them. Is that bad of me? lol You mooned them in the stadium?? |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Sept 4, 2017 15:44:35 GMT
For me it is more significant that Woodburn will potentially complete a triumvurate - with Bale & Ramsey. I always thought that having 2 world/top class attack minded players is good enough to qualify and have a presence in a finals - but to have a trio - a triangle - would give defenders nightmares and free up so much space all over the pitch - we saw a glimpse of this in the last quarter on Saturday - and not even including a 'centre forward' Considering Wilson, Roberts, Brooks et al - who Coleman has said will be joining Woodburn sooner rather than later - this is very exciting - I really hope we can qualify in this window of opportunity - we could be very dangerous again if we do. I agree, if he can fulfil his potential, it means that double coverage on bale and rambo is dangerous for them, as it leaves Allen to pick out Woodburn, or Bale if double coverage on Woodburn. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 15:59:51 GMT
I can't believe (actually it is England, of course I can) that after the success they have had in pretty much every youth tournament that was held this summer they still want other team's players. They are the honey badgers of international football, that lot. Also the logic seems to be that the reason they missed out was entirely down to them- it is being forgotten that the choice ultimately is the players. Maybe Woodburn feels Welsh? How is Ebgland having an under 15 team going to change that? More arrogance that no-one with a bit of talent would ever choose Wales if they had a choice. |
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Post by joseywales37 on Sept 4, 2017 16:46:19 GMT
Is it bad that when I saw him on touchline waiting to come on, in my mind, my middle finger was pointing at England, and when he scored, I was actually mooning them. Is that bad of me? lol You mooned them in the stadium?? |
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Post by joseywales37 on Sept 4, 2017 16:46:39 GMT
In my mind haha
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Post by fiveattheback on Sept 4, 2017 18:04:36 GMT
The Holy Trinity: Bale, Ramsey and Woodburn
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