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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 16:27:40 GMT
Is this evidence that something is wrong with the you development structure of the English pyramid? Klopp was renowned at developing youth in Germany. Yet at Liverpool, he appears to be holding players back. Is the Premier League simply too competitive for it to also be a productive breeding ground for young players? Perhaps in England (and English based Welsh clubs), the category system needs an immediate review. Perhaps it should be down to the FA and FAW to make sure that all pro clubs are up to scratch with their DVP systems and ditch the monopoly of Category One teams? I can see why they opted for the system that they have, but it doesn't seem to be working. I think it would only work if the standard and competitiveness of the top two divisions was much lower. The category system makes it pointless for non-Category 1 clubs to have an academy What a succinct and pertinent statement. So much truth to it. I wouldn't want an American draft type system. But perhaps the answer is that funds from league profits are re-distributed to make sure more and more clubs, who prove their worth, are helped to elevate to category one status? |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 22, 2018 18:16:50 GMT
The category system makes it pointless for non-Category 1 clubs to have an academy What a succinct and pertinent statement. So much truth to it. I wouldn't want an American draft type system. But perhaps the answer is that funds from league profits are re-distributed to make sure more and more clubs, who prove their worth, are helped to elevate to category one status? If only Cardiff lost their next supposed superstar to Man City before he played a first team game as they were in a higher category. I remember reading that Brentford and other clubs had shut down their academies as bigger clubs just took any decent players I don't think clubs should be allowed to take players into their academies until they're 11 years old. That's when they start playing competitive parks football and they go to secondary school, clubs are signing 5 year olds, its ridiculous! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 19:09:01 GMT
What a succinct and pertinent statement. So much truth to it. I wouldn't want an American draft type system. But perhaps the answer is that funds from league profits are re-distributed to make sure more and more clubs, who prove their worth, are helped to elevate to category one status? If only Cardiff lost their next supposed superstar to Man City before he played a first team game as they were in a higher category. I remember reading that Brentford and other clubs had shut down their academies as bigger clubs just took any decent players I don't think clubs should be allowed to take players into their academies until they're 11 years old. That's when they start playing competitive parks football and they go to secondary school, clubs are signing 5 year olds, its ridiculous! Totally agree. On Matondo. Surely the player hasn't really benefited either. I think he would've had a few shots at the first team this year because of Kadeem Harris's injury. Would love to be proved wrong and for him to do an Ampadu, but I'm sure that won't happen. |
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Post by biwmares on Jan 22, 2018 19:50:21 GMT
Fairplay the only managers in the premiership who deserve any sort of credit for playing young players are Arsène Wenger & Mauricio Pochettino.
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Post by manulike on Jan 22, 2018 19:51:08 GMT
Ben,
If you fancy a wee bevy, on your way back up the M5, come over to Bale's Elevens
Pretty sure you wont have to buy your own round ... ever ;-)
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 22, 2018 20:17:33 GMT
If only Cardiff lost their next supposed superstar to Man City before he played a first team game as they were in a higher category. I remember reading that Brentford and other clubs had shut down their academies as bigger clubs just took any decent players I don't think clubs should be allowed to take players into their academies until they're 11 years old. That's when they start playing competitive parks football and they go to secondary school, clubs are signing 5 year olds, its ridiculous! Totally agree. On Matondo. Surely the player hasn't really benefited either. I think he would've had a few shots at the first team this year because of Kadeem Harris's injury. Would love to be proved wrong and for him to do an Ampadu, but I'm sure that won't happen. He'd be a lot closer than he is now, that's for sure |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jan 22, 2018 21:55:17 GMT
Swansea 1 - 0 Liverpool
Klopp could have done with a bit of youthful enthusiasm off the bench tonight. Just saying.
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 22, 2018 22:43:17 GMT
Swansea 1 - 0 Liverpool Klopp could have done with a bit of youthful enthusiasm off the bench tonight. Just saying. He'll persist with Ings and Solanke til the end of time I reckon |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 23, 2018 8:36:35 GMT
In fairness I just think Klopp doesn't think he's ready
The writing was in the wall when they got Solanki.
He has played youngsters like Gomez and Alexander Arnold and also Solanki a bit
.Maybe some are guilty of getting carried away on here as he hasn't done an awful lot yet.
A loan will tell has a lot more about his prospects
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Post by JC on Jan 23, 2018 8:49:28 GMT
In fairness I just think Klopp doesn't think he's ready The writing was in the wall when they got Solanki. He has played youngsters like Gomez and Alexander Arnold and also Solanki a bit .Maybe some are guilty of getting carried away on here as he hasn't done an awful lot yet. A loan will tell has a lot more about his prospectsNot if he's not been allowed to go out on loan |
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Post by welshiron on Jan 23, 2018 8:50:28 GMT
January isn't over yet
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 23, 2018 14:03:22 GMT
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Post by welshiron on Jan 23, 2018 16:03:08 GMT
Shame that, he needs games and seems to behind Ings and Solanki as well as the 3 that start.
Looks like he is shipping Sturbridge out.
You never know he may bring someone in and let Ben get some games elsewhere
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Post by manulike on Jan 31, 2018 19:02:49 GMT
With both Coutinho and Sturridge now away, is it finally the time for our kid to shine?
UPDATE 4 February
5 Live reporting that Lallana has had a set back in his return from injury.
Shame, that ...
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Post by gwelfryn04 on Feb 20, 2018 9:33:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 10:56:45 GMT
I’d love him to get some game time either at Liverpool or elsewhere. There’s promise to fulfil.
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Post by gwelfryn04 on Feb 20, 2018 15:05:39 GMT
Klopp said in an interview that woodburn is very close to 1st team squad, hopefully will at least make the bench v Porto,. I did think he’d be better off out on loan but klopp clearly rates him, and training with firmino and salah isn’t going to hurt him
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Post by iot on Feb 20, 2018 21:00:58 GMT
This is an interesting, and could be very significant part of the article: "Woodburn, often deployed on the left of a front three last season, has dropped back more this year and the Reds seem keen to exploit the creative side of his passing game. Pace has never been the number one asset in his game either and dropping back makes that less of an issue than trying to get past a packed defence further forward." His lack of pace has been one of my main concerns in terms of preventing him from becoming a top class winger/forward, so playing further deep or more centrally, perhaps similar to coutinho, could be the way forward. Maybe that's why he hasn't been sent on loan and why he hasn't featured much with liverpool - because they're working on changing his game |
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Post by manulike on Feb 20, 2018 22:49:56 GMT
I remember reading 3 or 4 weeks back on a Liverpool blog that Ben is almost always the 19th man in the match day squad, as he is so versatile. Thus, a constant stand-by in case someone gets injured during pre-match warm-up etc.
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Post by welwyn on Feb 21, 2018 15:30:08 GMT
Currently playing in the hole in the UEFA Youth League v Man Utd at Prenton Park on BT Sport 2. Lovely glancing header for the opener too.
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Post by larslagerback on Feb 21, 2018 20:45:47 GMT
Currently playing in the hole in the UEFA Youth League v Man Utd at Prenton Park on BT Sport 2. Lovely glancing header for the opener too. Set up the 2nd. I think he's playing the right games at the right stage in his development. If he's still playing u23 football in 3yrs time I'll worry. |
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Post by biwmares on Feb 21, 2018 22:04:43 GMT
Currently playing in the hole in the UEFA Youth League v Man Utd at Prenton Park on BT Sport 2. Lovely glancing header for the opener too. And another young Welshman Neco Williams supplied the cross for Woodburn. |
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Post by manulike on Mar 17, 2018 15:14:53 GMT
Dragon Soccer reporting :
“Ben Woodburn is out, that’s pretty much all,” Klopp told Liverpoolfc.com when asked for a squad fitness update.
“It’s still from when he was ill last week. He is still suffering from that, with cramps in his calf and stuff like that. That’s why we have left him out of training. That’s all.”
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 18, 2018 18:00:52 GMT
Woodburn is on the plane...repeat...ON THE PLANE:
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2018 11:42:31 GMT
Liverpool have a midfield injury crisis at the mo. If Woodburn has recovered from his minor knock, there's a chance he may finally feature make a PL appearance for this season...
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Post by richierich333 on Apr 6, 2018 12:16:02 GMT
Liverpool have a midfield injury crisis at the mo. If Woodburn has recovered from his minor knock, there's a chance he may finally feature make a PL appearance for this season... If Wijnaldum is fit he'll definitely start ahead of Woodburn. Has to be a loan move next year to a champ club like Harry Wilson. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 10:44:34 GMT
Liverpool have a midfield injury crisis at the mo. If Woodburn has recovered from his minor knock, there's a chance he may finally feature make a PL appearance for this season... If Wijnaldum is fit he'll definitely start ahead of Woodburn. Has to be a loan move next year to a champ club like Harry Wilson. He is fit. But unfortunately, I'm assuming Woodburn is not. Youth player Curtis Jones (I think) on the bench for Liverpool. (Googling Curtis Jones shows an English youth alliegence  ) Big shame that an opening arrives for young Ben and he isn't able to seize on it. Hopefully in the upcoming games perhaps... |
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Post by manulike on Apr 7, 2018 11:48:02 GMT
Looks like that Curtis Jones' first appearance for the U23 only came in January ... So doesn't look good for our Ben. Also, i was surprised that Ben didn't feature in our Final v Uruguay.
Perhaps, simply, a drop in form?
Perfectly acceptable, considering his tender age and undoubtedly, Ben will come back stronger and more mature next season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2018 12:13:25 GMT
Looks like that Curtis Jones' first appearance for the U23 only came in January ... So doesn't look good for our Ben. Also, i was surprised that Ben didn't feature in our Final v Uruguay. Perhaps, simply, a drop in form? Perfectly acceptable, considering his tender age and undoubtedly, Ben will come back stronger and more mature next season. I wouldn't worry mate, recent reports online say he's injured. Perhaps he got a knock in China? I think he would be on the bench today if not. Shame he isn't available as he hasn't made a PL appearance this year I don't think. |
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Post by gwelfryn04 on Apr 10, 2018 17:33:22 GMT
Woodburn on bench tonight v citeh
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) Big shame that an opening arrives for young Ben and he isn't able to seize on it. Hopefully in the upcoming games perhaps...