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Post by manulike on Jul 19, 2018 19:49:20 GMT
Two gone one to go. Hope Liverpool have a shit season Wilson & Woodburn are hardly going to get past Salah & Mane, are they? Ben did alright in the first 45 minutes v Blackburn. Has a great knack of peeling off and making space just inside the box. He was found three times, but the balls were not really any good so Ben's shots were from too wide a position. Still playing in centre of midfield / occasionally on right. Commentators saying he is nailed on for the America tour squad.
Blackburn look very decent and should do well in the championship. Sadly, no sign of Jack Vale ;-(
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Post by iot on Jul 19, 2018 20:30:02 GMT
I've been searching his name after all these games on twitter and Liverpool fans are... underwhelmed, to say the least. There are many of them already writing him off - at 18!
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Post by manulike on Jul 20, 2018 11:58:25 GMT
I've been searching his name after all these games on twitter and Liverpool fans are... underwhelmed, to say the least. There are many of them already writing him off - at 18! That is shocking. One thing that the commentators have eluded to, is that Kloopy has been training them these last two weeks between twice to sometimes three times a day! Which explains why all the players appear really exhausted...
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Post by pendragon on Jul 20, 2018 17:42:12 GMT
I've been searching his name after all these games on twitter and Liverpool fans are... underwhelmed, to say the least. There are many of them already writing him off - at 18! That is shocking. One thing that the commentators have eluded to, is that Kloopy has been training them these last two weeks between twice to sometimes three times a day! Which explains why all the players appear really exhausted...
Three times a day? What is he, a Manager or "Ze Fuhrer"? Kloopy seems to be going loopy. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 21, 2018 12:00:20 GMT
That is shocking. One thing that the commentators have eluded to, is that Kloopy has been training them these last two weeks between twice to sometimes three times a day! Which explains why all the players appear really exhausted...
Three times a day? What is he, a Manager or "Ze Fuhrer"? Kloopy seems to be going loopy. He's known for his tough pre-seasons, I remember Dutch Ray having a go about it numerous times on Twitter His players need to be super-fit to play his high intensity style |
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Post by pendragon on Jul 21, 2018 13:59:35 GMT
I can imagine him chasing them around the pitch with a whistle at 5 am in the morning saying, "ve vill vin ze Champions League z'is season"... 😂
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Post by iot on Jul 22, 2018 22:54:27 GMT
Watched the second half against dortmund tonight in which woodburn played. He played in cm again and was very assured on the ball, played one or two pinpoint 40 yard passes and broke up play on occasion too. He's getting a bit of a hammering again on twitter though with the scouse fans accusing him of playing it too safe and not showing anything in these preseason games.
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 23, 2018 10:29:01 GMT
Watched the second half against dortmund tonight in which woodburn played. He played in cm again and was very assured on the ball, played one or two pinpoint 40 yard passes and broke up play on occasion too. He's getting a bit of a hammering again on twitter though with the scouse fans accusing him of playing it too safe and not showing anything in these preseason games. Is he just another Welshman wasting his time under Klot at Anfield? Once the season commences and the returnees from WC are fit, I wonder if he's anywhere near the starting X1 then? |
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Post by welshiron on Jul 23, 2018 22:24:23 GMT
Klopp played youngsters last season Trent Alexander and the forward they got from chelski
He obviously doesnt rate Woodburn Wilson and ward.
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Post by jonnylitts on Jul 24, 2018 7:00:16 GMT
Klopp played youngsters last season Trent Alexander and the forward they got from chelski He obviously doesnt rate Woodburn Wilson and ward. Totally understand his not starting in the first team with the players in his position. Saying that: Trent Alexander-Arnold - forced to play him as he had no right back after Clyne's injury Solanke - They paid for him so more inclined to play him (and less competition) What has annoyed me with Klopp regarding Woodburn is the fact that his development appears to have been stunted by the fact that he was continually on the bench for the first team but not being played. I remember one of the last games of the season where Klopp had champions league qualification sown up and were waiting to play the final. They ended the game with Ben on the bench and one substitution left. So Woodburn is clearly well thought of at the club but being on the bench continually is preventing him playing any u23 football (regardless of what anyone feels about the standard of that, he is still missing out on game time) |
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Post by texan on Jul 24, 2018 10:01:21 GMT
Totally understand his not starting in the first team with the players in his position. Saying that: Trent Alexander-Arnold - forced to play him as he had no right back after Clyne's injury Solanke - They paid for him so more inclined to play him (and less competition) What has annoyed me with Klopp regarding Woodburn is the fact that his development appears to have been stunted by the fact that he was continually on the bench for the first team but not being played. I remember one of the last games of the season where Klopp had champions league qualification sown up and were waiting to play the final. They ended the game with Ben on the bench and one substitution left. So Woodburn is clearly well thought of at the club but being on the bench continually is preventing him playing any u23 football (regardless of what anyone feels about the standard of that, he is still missing out on game time) Klopp is 'Mr Right Now', there's no doubting that, he buys/uses players that can help him achieve his immediate goals. He brought a proven & trusted keeper in Karius to replace the on/off Mignolet, now after only a season as number 1 Karius' horror show has resulted in Klopp going shopping for Alisson. He will give youth its day, but only if he's certain it helps him in the here and now or, as you've alluded to, his hand is forced. There's nothing wrong with this emotionally detached and ruthless approach really, it will ensure he's successful as he'll always be putting results first. Fergie used the same tactic to great effect, although whilst he was obviously able to see a bigger picture at the same time, Klopp it seems cannot. Take the Ward situation...Klopp was given a gift last season with Huddersfield offering to take him on a season long loan where, by all accounts, Ward would be their number 1 in the EPL for 17-18. An amazing opportunity to have your reserve keeper experience pressure and be tested at the highest level at no risk to yourself whatsoever! Worst case scenario, if Ward had bombed he'd just move him on this summer, if he'd been a success he could have stepped up into Karius' boots or, if he really wanted Alisson, move Ward on for a fee much greater than the reported £12m. What did he actually do? He knew he wouldn't play Ward at all barring an injury catastrophe to Mignolet & Karius, but he didn't want to spend a small fee on another 3rd choice keeper if Ward moved on loan, so he kept him on the bench for a year, he puts the club before the player. Woodburn's similar, Klopp trusts him enough to fill a hole if needed so keeps him on the bench, but doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him purposeful game time. He's trapped in a catch-22 situation, too good to let go of but not enough experience to yet be trusted by Klopp, but whilst he's on the bench he'll never get that experience to be able to prove himself. Barring an injury or two Woodburn will only see action during 18-19 in the cups or in the red of Wales, let's hope he shines for us! Wilson was lucky, his injury meant he was further away from the 1st team than ever, far enough away for Klopp to let him go out on loan where, thankfully, he proved himself. If he has one hell of a season for Derby Klopp will probably pull him in for 19-20, potentially becoming a Liverpool regular then during 20-21. To get Liverpool back to the top of the game, Klopp is a brilliant managerial appointment, for youth development he's a terrible one. But whilst Liverpool keep fighting at the top of the EPL and appearing in major finals, I don't think his bosses will give two shinies about a couple of Welsh kids kicking their heels. |
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Post by pendragon on Jul 24, 2018 11:38:32 GMT
Totally understand his not starting in the first team with the players in his position. Saying that: Trent Alexander-Arnold - forced to play him as he had no right back after Clyne's injury Solanke - They paid for him so more inclined to play him (and less competition) What has annoyed me with Klopp regarding Woodburn is the fact that his development appears to have been stunted by the fact that he was continually on the bench for the first team but not being played. I remember one of the last games of the season where Klopp had champions league qualification sown up and were waiting to play the final. They ended the game with Ben on the bench and one substitution left. So Woodburn is clearly well thought of at the club but being on the bench continually is preventing him playing any u23 football (regardless of what anyone feels about the standard of that, he is still missing out on game time) Klopp is 'Mr Right Now', there's no doubting that, he buys/uses players that can help him achieve his immediate goals. He brought a proven & trusted keeper in Karius to replace the on/off Mignolet, now after only a season as number 1 Karius' horror show has resulted in Klopp going shopping for Alisson. He will give youth its day, but only if he's certain it helps him in the here and now or, as you've alluded to, his hand is forced. There's nothing wrong with this emotionally detached and ruthless approach really, it will ensure he's successful as he'll always be putting results first. Fergie used the same tactic to great effect, although whilst he was obviously able to see a bigger picture at the same time, Klopp it seems cannot. Take the Ward situation...Klopp was given a gift last season with Huddersfield offering to take him on a season long loan where, by all accounts, Ward would be their number 1 in the EPL for 17-18. An amazing opportunity to have your reserve keeper experience pressure and be tested at the highest level at no risk to yourself whatsoever! Worst case scenario, if Ward had bombed he'd just move him on this summer, if he'd been a success he could have stepped up into Karius' boots or, if he really wanted Alisson, move Ward on for a fee much greater than the reported £12m. What did he actually do? He knew he wouldn't play Ward at all barring an injury catastrophe to Mignolet & Karius, but he didn't want to spend a small fee on another 3rd choice keeper if Ward moved on loan, so he kept him on the bench for a year, he puts the club before the player. Woodburn's similar, Klopp trusts him enough to fill a hole if needed so keeps him on the bench, but doesn't trust him enough to start him or give him purposeful game time. He's trapped in a catch-22 situation, too good to let go of but not enough experience to yet be trusted by Klopp, but whilst he's on the bench he'll never get that experience to be able to prove himself. Barring an injury or two Woodburn will only see action during 18-19 in the cups or in the red of Wales, let's hope he shines for us! Wilson was lucky, his injury meant he was further away from the 1st team than ever, far enough away for Klopp to let him go out on loan where, thankfully, he proved himself. If he has one hell of a season for Derby Klopp will probably pull him in for 19-20, potentially becoming a Liverpool regular then during 20-21. To get Liverpool back to the top of the game, Klopp is a brilliant managerial appointment, for youth development he's a terrible one. But whilst Liverpool keep fighting at the top of the EPL and appearing in major finals, I don't think his bosses will give two shinies about a couple of Welsh kids kicking their heels. You've summarised the issues really well and I think you're perfectly correct. Woodburn may get his time - eventually. On the plus side, if he does shine for us, he may get other lucrative offers heading his way. It would be a crying shame if a talent like Woodburn is wasted away on the sidelines during a crucial time in his career development. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 25, 2018 13:30:49 GMT
The latest on Woodburn are strong rumours of a season long loan to Norwich. If this happens he could potentially have the same impact that Wilson had at Hull.
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Post by dai on Jul 25, 2018 17:15:00 GMT
I personally would like to see him at a team with a bit more ambition than Norwich!
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Post by cymruramdcfc on Jul 25, 2018 17:27:16 GMT
I personally would like to see him at a team with a bit more ambition than Norwich! Like who? Don't forget he still young 18 and learning. I don't see big problem another year playing with the reserves at Liverpool. Far better than in out of a championship side. |
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Post by idj68 on Jul 25, 2018 19:12:20 GMT
I personally would like to see him at a team with a bit more ambition than Norwich! Like who? Don't forget he still young 18 and learning. I don't see big problem another year playing with the reserves at Liverpool. Far better than in out of a championship side. Think if the Swans signed him on loan they would fill the place ! Needs to play - doesn’t matter about clubs ambition as Klopp will want him for the future...the boy is outstanding ... he’ll know that ! |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 25, 2018 19:40:24 GMT
I personally would like to see him at a team with a bit more ambition than Norwich! Norwich are a pretty good club to play for at 18 |
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Post by manulike on Jul 25, 2018 21:38:18 GMT
Not exactly clear, but looks like Ben is off to Bolton? Only just survived the drop last season, by the skin of their teeth. Ben may well be getting some game time, if true ;-)
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Post by fiveattheback on Jul 26, 2018 13:27:08 GMT
Not exactly clear, but looks like Ben is off to Bolton? Only just survived the drop last season, by the skin of their teeth. Ben may well be getting some game time, if true ;-)
Oh for fu- Only kidding, he'll get plenty of first team opportunities there seeing as I'm fairly sure his direct rival will be Craig Noone |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 27, 2018 9:43:49 GMT
Its game time, can only be positive.
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Post by manulike on Jul 28, 2018 22:50:57 GMT
Ben on after 48 minutes v United. A few nice touches and always seems to make space for himself in the box - great positioning awareness. A brilliant assist for a sublime overhead goal from that man Shaqiri ;-)
He might only be 18, but our kid has definitely bulked up, grown up and toughened up as well. Should hold his own in the Championship, I am sure.
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Post by iot on Jul 29, 2018 9:32:43 GMT
Ben on after 48 minutes v United. A few nice touches and always seems to make space for himself in the box - great positioning awareness. A brilliant assist for a sublime overhead goal from that man Shaqiri ;-)
He might only be 18, but our kid has definitely bulked up, grown up and toughened up as well. Should hold his own in the Championship, I am sure.
Agreed, he has bulked up a lot! Still seems a bit short from the level required to compete for a Liverpool spot, but more than good enough for the Championship. A loan this season would be really good for him, I just hope he doesn't have another full season on the periphery of the first team playing hardly any games |
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Post by 1gwaunview on Jul 29, 2018 10:36:17 GMT
Ben on after 48 minutes v United. A few nice touches and always seems to make space for himself in the box - great positioning awareness. A brilliant assist for a sublime overhead goal from that man Shaqiri ;-)
He might only be 18, but our kid has definitely bulked up, grown up and toughened up as well. Should hold his own in the Championship, I am sure.
Agreed, he has bulked up a lot! Still seems a bit short from the level required to compete for a Liverpool spot, but more than good enough for the Championship. A loan this season would be really good for him, I just hope he doesn't have another full season on the periphery of the first team playing hardly any games A season at Swansea City might benefit both parties. |
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Post by superunknown on Jul 30, 2018 8:56:58 GMT
Just having a quick read of the Villa forum and they're loving the prospect of getting him in, as well they should. Think it would be a great move for him and hopefully get some first team competitive game time in a team (hopefully) challenging for promotion. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Jul 31, 2018 10:11:49 GMT
All the chat online is that young Ben is joining Sheff Utd for the season, filling the Dai Brooks void. Exciting news and it'll be great to see another Welsh talent light up the Championship.
On that note, Sky are broadcasting all midweek Championship games this season so there'll be plenty of opportunities to watch our players in action. Roll on Friday night!
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Post by HeCanDoMagic on Jul 31, 2018 10:58:23 GMT
Thought we (SUFC) had missed out on this lad, but the news that he's now on his way is brilliant.
Apparently it was on Klopp's advice that he has chosen us over Villa. We are getting a great reputation for developing youngsters, both our own and those on loan.
Looking at videos of him he seems to have real intent every time he gets the ball, should be fun to watch next season.
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Post by manulike on Jul 31, 2018 12:20:33 GMT
Thought we (SUFC) had missed out on this lad, but the news that he's now on his way is brilliant. Apparently it was on Klopp's advice that he has chosen us over Villa. We are getting a great reputation for developing youngsters, both our own and those on loan. Looking at videos of him he seems to have real intent every time he gets the ball, should be fun to watch next season. Having a medical right now, according to Dragon Soccer |
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Post by cymro on Jul 31, 2018 12:35:18 GMT
All the chat online is that young Ben is joining Sheff Utd for the season, filling the Dai Brooks void. Exciting news and it'll be great to see another Welsh talent light up the Championship. On that note, Sky are broadcasting all midweek Championship games this season so there'll be plenty of opportunities to watch our players in action. Roll on Friday night! Every midweek game? How will that work? Red button? |
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