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Post by welshiron on Feb 28, 2017 11:17:42 GMT
Great news that he is still involved in the first team, honestly thought we wouldn't see him again now they are out of the cps.
I think he deserves a call up on merit, although I doubt we will have a squad of 23 for one game.
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 28, 2017 19:30:37 GMT
Great news that he is still involved in the first team, honestly thought we wouldn't see him again now they are out of the cps. I think he deserves a call up on merit, although I doubt we will have a squad of 23 for one game. Why not? We have for the previous two single match day breaks? Personally I'd say f*ck it and call up everybody who has been in squads over the last 12 months who is of a decent standard plus Woodburn, Wilson and Jones. Get that feel good family factor, only squad meet up in 7 months don't forget. Maybe even Marley Watkins as well. So - Hennessey O.F. Williams Ward Adam Davies Chris Gunter Jazz Richards James Collins James Chester Gethin Jones Ashley Williams Ben Davies Neil Taylor Declan John Emyr Huws Joe Allen Joe Ledley Aaron Ramsey David Edwards Shaun MacDonald Andy King Marley Watkins Jonny Williams (although isn't he injured?) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale HRK Vokes George Williams David Cotterill Tom Bradshaw Harry Wilson Tom Lawrence Wes Burns I think that's everybody? |
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Post by biwmares on Feb 28, 2017 20:08:51 GMT
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Post by helipad138 on Feb 28, 2017 21:12:06 GMT
Great news that he is still involved in the first team, honestly thought we wouldn't see him again now they are out of the cps. I think he deserves a call up on merit, although I doubt we will have a squad of 23 for one game. Why not? We have for the previous two single match day breaks? Personally I'd say f*ck it and call up everybody who has been in squads over the last 12 months who is of a decent standard plus Woodburn, Wilson and Jones. Get that feel good family factor, only squad meet up in 7 months don't forget. Maybe even Marley Watkins as well. So - Hennessey O.F. Williams Ward Adam Davies Chris Gunter Jazz Richards James Collins James Chester Gethin Jones Ashley Williams Ben Davies Neil Taylor Declan John Emyr Huws Joe Allen Joe Ledley Aaron Ramsey David Edwards Shaun MacDonald Andy King Marley Watkins Jonny Williams (although isn't he injured?) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale HRK Vokes George Williams David Cotterill Tom Bradshaw Harry Wilson Tom Lawrence Wes Burns I think that's everybody? YOU MISSED OUT SIMON CHURCH!😮 (and Dummett) |
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Post by jbt95 on Feb 28, 2017 21:26:26 GMT
Why not? We have for the previous two single match day breaks? Personally I'd say f*ck it and call up everybody who has been in squads over the last 12 months who is of a decent standard plus Woodburn, Wilson and Jones. Get that feel good family factor, only squad meet up in 7 months don't forget. Maybe even Marley Watkins as well. So - Hennessey O.F. Williams Ward Adam Davies Chris Gunter Jazz Richards James Collins James Chester Gethin Jones Ashley Williams Ben Davies Neil Taylor Declan John Emyr Huws Joe Allen Joe Ledley Aaron Ramsey David Edwards Shaun MacDonald Andy King Marley Watkins Jonny Williams (although isn't he injured?) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale HRK Vokes George Williams David Cotterill Tom Bradshaw Harry Wilson Tom Lawrence Wes Burns I think that's everybody? YOU MISSED OUT SIMON CHURCH!😮 (and Dummett) Oh yes Dummett! Church.. isn't he injured?!  |
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Post by cadno on Feb 28, 2017 21:38:50 GMT
Great news that he is still involved in the first team, honestly thought we wouldn't see him again now they are out of the cps. I think he deserves a call up on merit, although I doubt we will have a squad of 23 for one game. Why not? We have for the previous two single match day breaks? Personally I'd say f*ck it and call up everybody who has been in squads over the last 12 months who is of a decent standard plus Woodburn, Wilson and Jones. Get that feel good family factor, only squad meet up in 7 months don't forget. Maybe even Marley Watkins as well. So - Hennessey O.F. Williams Ward Adam Davies Chris Gunter Jazz Richards James Collins James Chester Gethin Jones Ashley Williams Ben Davies Neil Taylor Declan John Emyr Huws Joe Allen Joe Ledley Aaron Ramsey David Edwards Shaun MacDonald Andy King Marley Watkins Jonny Williams (although isn't he injured?) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale HRK Vokes George Williams David Cotterill Tom Bradshaw Harry Wilson Tom Lawrence Wes Burns I think that's everybody? Maxwell and Karl Darlow other options in goal! I think Morgan Fox could be in with a shout for a call up. Lee Evans of Wolves maybe? & I think Jonny Williams is back training now. I agree, Marley Watkins merits a call up imo! |
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Post by manulike on Feb 28, 2017 22:03:23 GMT
I like your idea, jbt95 It might mean that Bale and Rambo might need to share their rooms, though, to squeeze everyone in ;-) Yes. Simon is back in training, but still not picked for match-day squads ;=( Jonieste is aiming for full fitness in a week or so. |
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Post by hookd on Feb 28, 2017 23:35:16 GMT
Saw this article at the time he scored for Liverpool. Note the comment about Harry Wilson! Are they real! I am worried they may have turned his head or more likely his agent's head by focusing the conversation around the commercial value of playing for the dodgy team in white!
ENGLAND will pull out all the stops to snare record-breaking Kop wonderkid Ben Woodburn.
But they face a battle to get the Liverpool golden boy to switch his allegiance from Wales.
Ben Woodburn scored Liverpool's second as they beat Leeds 2-0 GETTY IMAGES
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Ben Woodburn scored Liverpool’s second as they beat Leeds 2-0
Woodburn became the Reds’ youngest scorer in Tuesday’s EFL Cup win over Leeds, aged just 17 years and 45 days.
Keep up to date with ALL the Liverpool news, gossip, transfers and goals on our club page plus fixtures, results and live match commentary
It sent FA bosses into overdrive to tempt him to commit to the Three Lions despite having played for Wales’ youth teams at all levels.
Reports claimed Woodburn is from border city Chester but he was actually born in Nottingham.
Dan Ashworth, the FA’s head of elite development, will now speak to his parents Chris and Alison, as well as Liverpool Academy chief Alex Inglethorpe.
The Three Lions are wary of missing out, much like with fellow Kop rookie Harry Wilson.
In 2013, Wales brought on Wilson in the closing stages against Belgium to ensure he was out of the England’s grasp.
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Post by manulike on Feb 28, 2017 23:59:27 GMT
Saw this article at the time he scored for Liverpool. Note the comment about Harry Wilson! Are they real! I am worried they may have turned his head or more likely his agent's head by focusing the conversation around the commercial value of playing for the dodgy team in white! ENGLAND will pull out all the stops to snare record-breaking Kop wonderkid Ben Woodburn. But they face a battle to get the Liverpool golden boy to switch his allegiance from Wales. Ben Woodburn scored Liverpool's second as they beat Leeds 2-0 GETTY IMAGES 3 Ben Woodburn scored Liverpool’s second as they beat Leeds 2-0 Woodburn became the Reds’ youngest scorer in Tuesday’s EFL Cup win over Leeds, aged just 17 years and 45 days. Keep up to date with ALL the Liverpool news, gossip, transfers and goals on our club page plus fixtures, results and live match commentary It sent FA bosses into overdrive to tempt him to commit to the Three Lions despite having played for Wales’ youth teams at all levels. Reports claimed Woodburn is from border city Chester but he was actually born in Nottingham. Dan Ashworth, the FA’s head of elite development, will now speak to his parents Chris and Alison, as well as Liverpool Academy chief Alex Inglethorpe. The Three Lions are wary of missing out, much like with fellow Kop rookie Harry Wilson. In 2013, Wales brought on Wilson in the closing stages against Belgium to ensure he was out of the England’s grasp. Ben was the captain of the U17 and if that has not instilled pride in the Dragon, we are doing something very wrong. I was very skeptical about the calls to cap him (and still am) - but seeing he is still a firm bench favourite for the Liverpool 18-man squad, then surely he should be called up to our 23? Hell, if HRK or Voakes pick up an injury, we might need to play him... |
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Post by iot on Mar 1, 2017 2:08:56 GMT
Arguably, Tyler Roberts has done as much to get a callup. Woodburn has scored once against a championsip side and has two 90mins and a handful of 10min cameos. Roberts has scored half a dozen at l1 and has racked up a few starts as well as many more substitute appearances. Still think it's probably too early for both of them
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 1, 2017 8:16:53 GMT
Arguably, Tyler Roberts has done as much to get a callup. Woodburn has scored once against a championsip side and has two 90mins and a handful of 10min cameos. Roberts has scored half a dozen at l1 and has racked up a few starts as well as many more substitute appearances. Still think it's probably too early for both of them Goals in L1 wasn't enough for Bradshaw so it probably won't be enough for Tyler. He'll get there eventually. |
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Post by iot on Mar 1, 2017 9:52:14 GMT
Arguably, Tyler Roberts has done as much to get a callup. Woodburn has scored once against a championsip side and has two 90mins and a handful of 10min cameos. Roberts has scored half a dozen at l1 and has racked up a few starts as well as many more substitute appearances. Still think it's probably too early for both of them Goals in L1 wasn't enough for Bradshaw so it probably won't be enough for Tyler. He'll get there eventually. Agreed, but then can't see the justification for calling up woodburn? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 1, 2017 10:02:58 GMT
Goals in L1 wasn't enough for Bradshaw so it probably won't be enough for Tyler. He'll get there eventually. Agreed, but then can't see the justification for calling up woodburn? Woodburn's currently in every matchday squad for a top half premier league club. I'd argue that if this continues he justifies a call up more than most. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 1, 2017 10:07:28 GMT
I agree
Woodburn has bee deemed good enough to make the squad for a side looking to make the champions league.
Roberts has been shipped out to Oxford where he barely started a game and now Shrewsbury as deemed surplus to requirements at a team with nothing to play for
Both have great potential but I would have no qualms about seeing Woodburn in the squad and that would be ahead of Bradshaw for me if it came down to that choice
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 1, 2017 10:22:04 GMT
Assuming Jonny Williams is fit for the tie against ROI and Woodburn keeps his place in Klopp's squad, I'd be looking at a 23 of
Wayne Hennessey
Danny Ward
Owain Fôn Williams
Ashley Williams
Chris Gunter
James Chester
Ben Davies
Neil Taylor
Jazz Richards
Paul Dummett
Joe Allen
Aaron Ramsey
Joe Ledley
David Edwards
Emyr Huws
Andy King
Jonny Williams (Call up Marley Watkins if Williams is unfit)
Ben Woodburn
Gareth Bale
Hal Robson-Kanu
Sam Vokes
Tom Lawrence
David Cotterill
Despite Taylor having featured for Villa recently, I'd still be looking at switching to 4 at the back with Davies taking the left back role and Taylor sitting on the bench. Something like:
Hennessey
Gunter Chester Williams Davies
Ledley Allen
Bale Ramsey Lawrence
Vokes
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 1, 2017 10:27:29 GMT
Pretty much agree with that squad and justification further above for including Woodburn.
Sticking to the topic...hopefully we'll get to see Woodburn v Ramsey at Anfield on Saturday, if only for the last 10/15 mins or so!
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Post by welshiron on Mar 1, 2017 10:52:05 GMT
Assuming Jonny Williams is fit for the tie against ROI and Woodburn keeps his place in Klopp's squad, I'd be looking at a 23 of Wayne Hennessey Danny Ward Owain Fôn Williams Ashley Williams Chris Gunter James Chester Ben Davies Neil Taylor Jazz Richards Paul Dummett Joe Allen Aaron Ramsey Joe Ledley David Edwards Emyr Huws Andy King Jonny Williams (Call up Marley Watkins if Williams is unfit) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale Hal Robson-Kanu Sam Vokes Tom Lawrence David Cotterill Despite Taylor having featured for Villa recently, I'd still be looking at switching to 4 at the back with Davies taking the left back role and Taylor sitting on the bench. Something like: Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Ledley Allen Bale Ramsey Lawrence Vokes That would be the side I would like to see but suspect it will be Taylor for Lawrence |
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Post by iot on Mar 1, 2017 11:21:12 GMT
Agreed, but then can't see the justification for calling up woodburn? Woodburn's currently in every matchday squad for a top half premier league club. I'd argue that if this continues he justifies a call up more than most. Yes, fair enough. Although, having watched most of his involvement with the Lpool seniors, I'm still not sure if he's as good (yet!) as we're hoping he is. Klopp might be thinking more long-term in bringing him into the squad i.e. it might not be on the basis of what he currently brings to the table, but trying to bed him in because of his obvious potential. Having said that, he did bring him on when chasing the game against Leicester so perhaps he does think he's ready and can make a difference at the highest level. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 1, 2017 11:31:09 GMT
Woodburn's currently in every matchday squad for a top half premier league club. I'd argue that if this continues he justifies a call up more than most. Yes, fair enough. Although, having watched most of his involvement with the Lpool seniors, I'm still not sure if he's as good (yet!) as we're hoping he is. Klopp might be thinking more long-term in bringing him into the squad i.e. it might not be on the basis of what he currently brings to the table, but trying to bed him in because of his obvious potential. Having said that, he did bring him on when chasing the game against Leicester so perhaps he does think he's ready and can make a difference at the highest level. It might be in Cookie's interests to have a chat with Klopp over what he sees in Woodburn. It could be useful to gain that insight. At first I thought he might have just been blooding him for the first team, but seeing him brought on in a game they're trying desperately to win shows it might be a bit more than that as you said. At the very least I can see him being called up to train with the seniors like Ampadu and Roberts have in the past. |
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Post by manulike on Mar 1, 2017 11:44:57 GMT
Yes, fair enough. Although, having watched most of his involvement with the Lpool seniors, I'm still not sure if he's as good (yet!) as we're hoping he is. Klopp might be thinking more long-term in bringing him into the squad i.e. it might not be on the basis of what he currently brings to the table, but trying to bed him in because of his obvious potential. Having said that, he did bring him on when chasing the game against Leicester so perhaps he does think he's ready and can make a difference at the highest level. It might be in Cookie's interests to have a chat with Klopp over what he sees in Woodburn. It could be useful to gain that insight. At first I thought he might have just been blooding him for the first team, but seeing him brought on in a game they're trying desperately to win shows it might be a bit more than that as you said. At the very least I can see him being called up to train with the seniors like Ampadu and Roberts have in the past. Agree there completely. If you remember the situation at his first game v Leeds in the cup, it was exactly the same situation. It was 0-0 until he was brought on (after 65 minutes) and Leeds were looking very lively. It wasn't a 'bedding in' experience in a comfortable game - it was a gamble that paid off. |
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Post by zenith on Mar 1, 2017 11:51:49 GMT
Arguably, Tyler Roberts has done as much to get a callup. Woodburn has scored once against a championsip side and has two 90mins and a handful of 10min cameos. Roberts has scored half a dozen at l1 and has racked up a few starts as well as many more substitute appearances. Still think it's probably too early for both of them It would be nice to see him in the squad, but I feel he may be in the 21s for a while before he gets a full cap |
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Post by zenith on Mar 1, 2017 11:59:02 GMT
Assuming Jonny Williams is fit for the tie against ROI and Woodburn keeps his place in Klopp's squad, I'd be looking at a 23 of Wayne Hennessey Danny Ward Owain Fôn Williams Ashley Williams Chris Gunter James Chester Ben Davies Neil Taylor Jazz Richards Paul Dummett Joe Allen Aaron Ramsey Joe Ledley David Edwards Emyr Huws Andy King Jonny Williams (Call up Marley Watkins if Williams is unfit) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale Hal Robson-Kanu Sam Vokes Tom Lawrence David Cotterill Despite Taylor having featured for Villa recently, I'd still be looking at switching to 4 at the back with Davies taking the left back role and Taylor sitting on the bench. Something like: Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Ledley Allen Bale Ramsey Lawrence Vokes I would agree with that squad, but I feel Adam Davies has done more than enough for Barnsley this season to at least be 3rd choice keeper now. Hennessey isn't having a wonderful time this season and could well be in the Championship come this time next year so 2 decent keepers in Ward and Davies, or even Chris Maxwell are needed for healthy competition. We all know fon Williams is never going to be no.1 or even no.2 so I don't really see the footballing reasons for keeping him in the squad - which is really what the national team should be about; the best players of that country. Don't get me wrong, Williams has probably been the most loyal Welsh player of all in the current squad, but if Ward and Hennessey suddenly got injured for six months I don't think Coleman would have him as the starting keeper. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 12:15:39 GMT
Arguably, Tyler Roberts has done as much to get a callup. Woodburn has scored once against a championsip side and has two 90mins and a handful of 10min cameos. Roberts has scored half a dozen at l1 and has racked up a few starts as well as many more substitute appearances. Still think it's probably too early for both of them Christ, might as well call up Billy Bodin then as he has a few more than that at league one level. He had a run of 7 goals in 8 games recently. We don't know how good either of them are at under 23 level though which probably rules both of them out... |
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Post by holmesdaleultra on Mar 1, 2017 12:19:52 GMT
Assuming Jonny Williams is fit for the tie against ROI and Woodburn keeps his place in Klopp's squad, I'd be looking at a 23 of Wayne Hennessey Danny Ward Owain Fôn Williams Ashley Williams Chris Gunter James Chester Ben Davies Neil Taylor Jazz Richards Paul Dummett Joe Allen Aaron Ramsey Joe Ledley David Edwards Emyr Huws Andy King Jonny Williams (Call up Marley Watkins if Williams is unfit) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale Hal Robson-Kanu Sam Vokes Tom Lawrence David Cotterill Despite Taylor having featured for Villa recently, I'd still be looking at switching to 4 at the back with Davies taking the left back role and Taylor sitting on the bench. Something like: Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Ledley Allen Bale Ramsey Lawrence Vokes I would agree with that squad, but I feel Adam Davies has done more than enough for Barnsley this season to at least be 3rd choice keeper now. Hennessey isn't having a wonderful time this season and could well be in the Championship come this time next year so 2 decent keepers in Ward and Davies, or even Chris Maxwell are needed for healthy competition. We all know fon Williams is never going to be no.1 or even no.2 so I don't really see the footballing reasons for keeping him in the squad - which is really what the national team should be about; the best players of that country. Don't get me wrong, Williams has probably been the most loyal Welsh player of all in the current squad, but if Ward and Hennessey suddenly got injured for six months I don't think Coleman would have him as the starting keeper. Any goalkeeper in the world would suffer behind Palace,s defence. |
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Post by iot on Mar 1, 2017 13:14:30 GMT
Assuming Jonny Williams is fit for the tie against ROI and Woodburn keeps his place in Klopp's squad, I'd be looking at a 23 of Wayne Hennessey Danny Ward Owain Fôn Williams Ashley Williams Chris Gunter James Chester Ben Davies Neil Taylor Jazz Richards Paul Dummett Joe Allen Aaron Ramsey Joe Ledley David Edwards Emyr Huws Andy King Jonny Williams (Call up Marley Watkins if Williams is unfit) Ben Woodburn Gareth Bale Hal Robson-Kanu Sam Vokes Tom Lawrence David Cotterill Despite Taylor having featured for Villa recently, I'd still be looking at switching to 4 at the back with Davies taking the left back role and Taylor sitting on the bench. Something like: Hennessey Gunter Chester Williams Davies Ledley Allen Bale Ramsey Lawrence Vokes I would agree with that squad, but I feel Adam Davies has done more than enough for Barnsley this season to at least be 3rd choice keeper now. Hennessey isn't having a wonderful time this season and could well be in the Championship come this time next year so 2 decent keepers in Ward and Davies, or even Chris Maxwell are needed for healthy competition. We all know fon Williams is never going to be no.1 or even no.2 so I don't really see the footballing reasons for keeping him in the squad - which is really what the national team should be about; the best players of that country. Don't get me wrong, Williams has probably been the most loyal Welsh player of all in the current squad, but if Ward and Hennessey suddenly got injured for six months I don't think Coleman would have him as the starting keeper. It's a fair point, but I still like to think there's room for some sentimentality (especially considering it's for the 3rd choice keeper spot). I'd be devastated if OFW was dropped, he's an absolute hero! |
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Post by biwmares on Mar 6, 2017 19:45:41 GMT
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Post by manulike on Mar 6, 2017 20:04:52 GMT
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Post by biwmares on Mar 6, 2017 20:26:54 GMT
Diolch. Great ball through by Wilson. Be a could combination for Wales in a couple of years. |
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Post by Jamie-Bins on Mar 12, 2017 1:44:41 GMT
Phil Cadden running a story for the rag stating Woodburn is set to be called up for the Ireland match.
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Post by zenith on Mar 12, 2017 9:04:35 GMT
Phil Cadden running a story for the rag stating Woodburn is set to be called up for the Ireland match. He is normally pretty spot on with his Wales news. |
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