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Post by hookd on Mar 12, 2017 10:13:51 GMT
If its true then its fantastic news.
Most importantly it will confirms he is totally committed to Wales. The lad was brought up and has lived all his life in England. His agent and the English FA have been all over him no doubt and suggested at the very least that he delay his decision. I assume he will have been sounded out before he would be included in the squad - so to me that is a signal he is with us.
He is in Liverpool's squad on a consistent basis - their bench is definitely above the average quality of our bench - he is good enough with his best years ahead of him.
10 minutes to go and we are losing 1-0 - I would rather back him to make a difference than Simon Church, Cotterill, etc,
So excited about the younger talent coming through at last - Woodburn the rising start, while Lawrence has found his (consistent) feet at least and Huws is now getting a run of games. Roberts is now getting game time and doing well at Shrewsbury and Harry Wilson appears to be improving (albeit in the Liverpool U23s) so hopefully those two can make a breakthrough.
Woodburn = Gerrard type player
Roberts = a hopefully better version of Robson-Kanu?
Harry Wilson = Bellamy type player
Lawrence = Not sure? A skillful wide player, who can score lots of goals - who would you compare him too?
Huw = an inferior Allen (in terms of harassing/breaking things up) or Ramsey (in terms of box to box and running a game) but he could be a mix of the two (better at attacking and scoring goals than Allen and a more discplined player from an attacking perspective.
An ideal squad has a good blend of the old and the new!
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Post by hookd on Mar 12, 2017 10:17:57 GMT
I meant to say
Huws = an inferior Allen (in terms of harassing/breaking things up) or Ramsey (in terms of box to box and running a game) but he could be a mix of the two (better at attacking and scoring goals than Allen and a more discplined player from an defensive perspective than Ramsey.
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Post by manulike on Mar 12, 2017 15:18:01 GMT
A Woodburn call up would be well deserved, imo.
Nonetheless, with ten minutes to go, and losing 1-0, I would much prefer having Lawrence AND Huws on there. They seem to combine really well together - so that could make the difference. Upfront, for me, I'd stick with HRK first and Vokes after 60 minutes. It is super essential to keep our composure after the re-start and up until the 60th minute. That is usually our dawn-fall ...
It will be great for Ben to be in the squad, though.
EDIT
Great news is that Firmino is injured again and today both Ben and Harry Wilson are in the bench!
That will be Harry's first EPL bench ;-)
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Post by manulike on Mar 12, 2017 17:02:57 GMT
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 12, 2017 17:17:11 GMT
Lock up your daughters, he's coming on.
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Post by manulike on Mar 12, 2017 17:24:57 GMT
Lock up your daughters, he's coming on. Speaking of that ... is it me, or does Klopp do a little too much hugging when it comes to the wee fella? The poor kid seems a little embarrassed about it ... Continentals for you ... 30 minutes to show his talent! |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 12, 2017 17:54:50 GMT
Not short of confidence is he? At one point he was gearing up to take a corner before Milner pulled rank.
Get him in the squad.
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Post by iot on Mar 12, 2017 17:56:27 GMT
Encouraging that they have so much faith in him, though he didn't do much in the 30 mins he was on.
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Post by jonnylitts on Mar 12, 2017 18:16:25 GMT
If its true then its fantastic news. Most importantly it will confirms he is totally committed to Wales. The lad was brought up and has lived all his life in England. His agent and the English FA have been all over him no doubt and suggested at the very least that he delay his decision. I assume he will have been sounded out before he would be included in the squad - so to me that is a signal he is with us. He is in Liverpool's squad on a consistent basis - their bench is definitely above the average quality of our bench - he is good enough with his best years ahead of him. 10 minutes to go and we are losing 1-0 - I would rather back him to make a difference than Simon Church, Cotterill, etc, So excited about the younger talent coming through at last - Woodburn the rising start, while Lawrence has found his (consistent) feet at least and Huws is now getting a run of games. Roberts is now getting game time and doing well at Shrewsbury and Harry Wilson appears to be improving (albeit in the Liverpool U23s) so hopefully those two can make a breakthrough. Woodburn = Gerrard type player Roberts = a hopefully better version of Robson-Kanu? Harry Wilson = Bellamy type player Lawrence = Not sure? A skillful wide player, who can score lots of goals - who would you compare him too? Huw = an inferior Allen (in terms of harassing/breaking things up) or Ramsey (in terms of box to box and running a game) but he could be a mix of the two (better at attacking and scoring goals than Allen and a more discplined player from an attacking perspective. An ideal squad has a good blend of the old and the new! I'd say Woodburn is far more creative than Gerrard. Certainly more capable in front of goal too. I hope Coleman sees these young players that we have who are in form as an opportunity to start blooding them. King needs to be replaced by Huws. Woodburn into 1st sub/ maybe Edwards. Lawrence for HRK. Whether he will, I doubt very much. A) he'll see it as too big a game to make changes B) he's too loyal But if Klopp has enough faith to put Woodburn on for Coutinho then Cookie should do too! |
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Post by zenith on Mar 12, 2017 18:37:09 GMT
If its true then its fantastic news. Most importantly it will confirms he is totally committed to Wales. The lad was brought up and has lived all his life in England. His agent and the English FA have been all over him no doubt and suggested at the very least that he delay his decision. I assume he will have been sounded out before he would be included in the squad - so to me that is a signal he is with us. He is in Liverpool's squad on a consistent basis - their bench is definitely above the average quality of our bench - he is good enough with his best years ahead of him. 10 minutes to go and we are losing 1-0 - I would rather back him to make a difference than Simon Church, Cotterill, etc, So excited about the younger talent coming through at last - Woodburn the rising start, while Lawrence has found his (consistent) feet at least and Huws is now getting a run of games. Roberts is now getting game time and doing well at Shrewsbury and Harry Wilson appears to be improving (albeit in the Liverpool U23s) so hopefully those two can make a breakthrough. Woodburn = Gerrard type player Roberts = a hopefully better version of Robson-Kanu? Harry Wilson = Bellamy type player Lawrence = Not sure? A skillful wide player, who can score lots of goals - who would you compare him too? Huw = an inferior Allen (in terms of harassing/breaking things up) or Ramsey (in terms of box to box and running a game) but he could be a mix of the two (better at attacking and scoring goals than Allen and a more discplined player from an attacking perspective. An ideal squad has a good blend of the old and the new! I'd say Woodburn is far more creative than Gerrard. Certainly more capable in front of goal too. I hope Coleman sees these young players that we have who are in form as an opportunity to start blooding them. King needs to be replaced by Huws. Woodburn into 1st sub/ maybe Edwards. Lawrence for HRK. Whether he will, I doubt very much. A) he'll see it as too big a game to make changes B) he's too loyal But if Klopp has enough faith to put Woodburn on for Coutinho then Cookie should do too! Saying Gerrard is less creative than Woodburn is madness. The guy could pick out any pass on the field of play. Way too early to make that comparison yet! |
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Post by Jamie-Bins on Mar 12, 2017 18:39:48 GMT
Good that we are all talking positive about the lad, but to say he looks "far more creative" and "more capable in front of goal" than Steven Gerrard is jumping the gun just a little, don't you think?
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Post by eppingblue on Mar 12, 2017 18:51:41 GMT
If its true then its fantastic news. Most importantly it will confirms he is totally committed to Wales. The lad was brought up and has lived all his life in England. His agent and the English FA have been all over him no doubt and suggested at the very least that he delay his decision. I assume he will have been sounded out before he would be included in the squad - so to me that is a signal he is with us. He is in Liverpool's squad on a consistent basis - their bench is definitely above the average quality of our bench - he is good enough with his best years ahead of him. 10 minutes to go and we are losing 1-0 - I would rather back him to make a difference than Simon Church, Cotterill, etc, So excited about the younger talent coming through at last - Woodburn the rising start, while Lawrence has found his (consistent) feet at least and Huws is now getting a run of games. Roberts is now getting game time and doing well at Shrewsbury and Harry Wilson appears to be improving (albeit in the Liverpool U23s) so hopefully those two can make a breakthrough. Woodburn = Gerrard type player Roberts = a hopefully better version of Robson-Kanu? Harry Wilson = Bellamy type player Lawrence = Not sure? A skillful wide player, who can score lots of goals - who would you compare him too? Huw = an inferior Allen (in terms of harassing/breaking things up) or Ramsey (in terms of box to box and running a game) but he could be a mix of the two (better at attacking and scoring goals than Allen and a more discplined player from an attacking perspective. An ideal squad has a good blend of the old and the new! I'd say Woodburn is far more creative than Gerrard. Certainly more capable in front of goal too. I hope Coleman sees these young players that we have who are in form as an opportunity to start blooding them. King needs to be replaced by Huws. Woodburn into 1st sub/ maybe Edwards. Lawrence for HRK. Whether he will, I doubt very much. A) he'll see it as too big a game to make changes B) he's too loyal But if Klopp has enough faith to put Woodburn on for Coutinho then Cookie should do too! In all my time reading message boards that first sentence is the most ridiculous I've ever heard. Very, very promising and I hope we get him fully capped soon but lets have some realism please. |
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Post by jonnylitts on Mar 12, 2017 18:59:11 GMT
Gerrard was more of a quarter back player. Yeah, he could score goals but he certainly wasn't as far forward as Woodburn plays.
I wasn't saying he's a better player just that he plays in the number 10 role and therefore creates/scores more goals.
Unfortunately I cant find any youth stats for Gerrard but he certainly didn't break into the first team as soon as Woodburn...
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Post by cymroircarn on Mar 12, 2017 19:23:52 GMT
Gerrard was more of a quarter back player. Yeah, he could score goals but he certainly wasn't as far forward as Woodburn plays. I wasn't saying he's a better player just that he plays in the number 10 role and therefore creates/scores more goals. Unfortunately I cant find any youth stats for Gerrard but he certainly didn't break into the first team as soon as Woodburn... Gerrard made his first team debut at 18 so not much older. Bellamy also states he's the best he's ever played with. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 19:38:08 GMT
Gerrard was more of a quarter back player. Yeah, he could score goals but he certainly wasn't as far forward as Woodburn plays. I wasn't saying he's a better player just that he plays in the number 10 role and therefore creates/scores more goals. Unfortunately I cant find any youth stats for Gerrard but he certainly didn't break into the first team as soon as Woodburn... Gerrard made his first team debut at 18 so not much older. Bellamy also states he's the best he's ever played with. Craig Bellamy also lined up for the #GBrats with an Owain Glyndwr tattoo. Craig Bellamy does (and says) what's right for Craig Bellamy. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 12, 2017 19:44:12 GMT
Gerrard made his first team debut at 18 so not much older. Bellamy also states he's the best he's ever played with. Craig Bellamy also lined up for the #GBrats with an Owain Glyndwr tattoo. Craig Bellamy does (and says) what's right for Craig Bellamy. Please stay on topic. |
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Post by jonnylitts on Mar 12, 2017 19:47:49 GMT
I'd say Woodburn is far more creative than Gerrard. Certainly more capable in front of goal too. I hope Coleman sees these young players that we have who are in form as an opportunity to start blooding them. King needs to be replaced by Huws. Woodburn into 1st sub/ maybe Edwards. Lawrence for HRK. Whether he will, I doubt very much. A) he'll see it as too big a game to make changes B) he's too loyal But if Klopp has enough faith to put Woodburn on for Coutinho then Cookie should do too! In all my time reading message boards that first sentence is the most ridiculous I've ever heard. Very, very promising and I hope we get him fully capped soon but lets have some realism please. I perhaps didn't make my point as clearly as I could have. Hookd made the comparison with Gerrard. I didn't say he is a better player than Gerrard. However, I do stand by my comment that he's potentially more creative than Gerrard. Gerrard after all was a number 8, Woodburn is a number 10 and therefore is, by definition, a more creative player. To make a current comparison, in the Liverpool team of the moment, you wouldn't say Coutinho is the equivalent of Gerrard would you. But, Woodburn is... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2017 20:00:33 GMT
Craig Bellamy also lined up for the #GBrats with an Owain Glyndwr tattoo. Craig Bellamy does (and says) what's right for Craig Bellamy. Please stay on topic. The topic was Ben Woodburn and his potential was being compared and contrasted with Steven Gerard. In relation to this, someone submitted Bellamy's opinion on Gerard as evidence of the scale of his ability. In response, I brought up an example of Craig Bellamy's prior conduct which I believed served as an example of him lacking reliability in thought and deed, and thus why we should not pay too much attention to his opinion when shaping our view of Woodburn's talent relative to that of the former Liverpool captain. Ergo, my post was on topic. And it's a shame I've had to break character in order to point this out, but hopefully it will prevent a long and tedious series of sub-posts. |
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 12, 2017 20:47:52 GMT
Bloody hell.
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Post by manulike on Mar 12, 2017 23:39:29 GMT
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Post by erasedcitizen on Mar 13, 2017 7:47:55 GMT
I think coming on for Coutinho that early in the game should be enough to secure a place for Woodburn. We can't pick players who are currently playing for teams struggling in the Championship over him, can we? If he's done enough to earn minutes for Liverpool then he's done enough to warrant a place in our squad.
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Post by haruki on Mar 13, 2017 9:49:14 GMT
Get him in the squad and give him minutes off the bench, he deserves it for his progress at Liverpool, experience integrating into the squad will do him good plus it ends the threat of a defect across the border. I'd also say as his age group is our uber-talented one it is a good message to send his peers such as Roberts and Ampadu that breakthroughs at club lever will be rewarded
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Post by CrackityJones on Mar 13, 2017 10:32:41 GMT
Agree. He has definitely earned a squad place and depending on how the game pans out I wont have a problem with him coming on at some point.
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Post by zenith on Mar 13, 2017 11:04:28 GMT
If he does get called up I hope this isn't the last time under Coleman. He's already said he wants to play for Wales and looks up to Ramsey and Bale, and not Rooney and Theo Walcott.
He undoubtedly has more ability than some of the lads in the squad already, so maybe he'll come on and change the game for the better. Who knows?
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Mar 13, 2017 11:25:01 GMT
He should definitely be included in the squad, a talented boy, good to get him part of the set up early, familiarise himself with International Football and build relationships with other players. And keep the English mitts off of him.
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Post by llannerch on Mar 13, 2017 13:13:53 GMT
If he wants to play and Coleman thinks he might offer something in the Ireland game then, yes, let's select him. His eligibility for England should have no bearing on his selection. It demeans us and the value of caps if we cap him so someone else can't
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2017 13:21:10 GMT
If he wants to play and Coleman thinks he might offer something in the Ireland game then, yes, let's select him. His eligibility for England should have no bearing on his selection. It demeans us and the value of caps if we cap him so someone else can't The England thing doesn't have a bearing. He deserves a call up on merit as he is playing for Liverpool's first team and when called upon, playing well to boot. |
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Post by eppingblue on Mar 13, 2017 13:45:21 GMT
If he wants to play and Coleman thinks he might offer something in the Ireland game then, yes, let's select him. His eligibility for England should have no bearing on his selection. It demeans us and the value of caps if we cap him so someone else can't The England thing doesn't have a bearing. He deserves a call up on merit as he is playing for Liverpool's first team and when called upon, playing well to boot. I think it has a huge bearing. I don't quite believe in the Woodburn hype yet but he's clearly very talented to be doing what he's doing where he's doing it. If he did happen to connect with a couple into the top corner between now and the end of season we could have a fight on our hands and he'd have Milner, Lallana and Clyne bending his ear every day. I'd cap him in Ireland and wouldn't be embarrassed with the reason either. |
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Post by richierich333 on Mar 13, 2017 14:07:12 GMT
The England thing doesn't have a bearing. He deserves a call up on merit as he is playing for Liverpool's first team and when called upon, playing well to boot. I think it has a huge bearing. I don't quite believe in the Woodburn hype yet but he's clearly very talented to be doing what he's doing where he's doing it. If he did happen to connect with a couple into the top corner between now and the end of season we could have a fight on our hands and he'd have Milner, Lallana and Clyne bending his ear every day. I'd cap him in Ireland and wouldn't be embarrassed with the reason either. I mean he has already done enough to warrant a place in the squad, even if his name was Rhys Ap Tomos Gruffudd and he was born in deepest darkest Gwynedd to monoglot Welsh speaking parents. |
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Post by welshiron on Mar 13, 2017 14:27:39 GMT
He should be in the squad, would the alternatives Bradshaw or Watkins get anywhere near the Liverpool bench.
Woodburn has every chance of being a top player, personally can't see Bradshaw and Watkins being more than championship players at best
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