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Post by jono on Jul 1, 2017 14:12:11 GMT
With respect it has been said numerous times ''If the Racecourse ever gets back upto scratch''. There were/are proposals for a Millenium of the North for the Racecourse so if it were to happen, give the Racecourse a qualifier. Do sense some arrogance. (Well, we're from south Wales so it's easier for us so Cardiff is where it should stay. F*ck Wrexham.) So its wrong for me to want Wales to play down south because you asume im from south Wales and think its easier for me, but we should play up Wrexham to make it easier for the northern fans? I wasn't responding to you. It was a general post. It's got nothing to do with making it easier for Northern fans. Wrexham is the home of Welsh football and therefore at least (When Racecourse is up to scratch) 1 qualifier per campaign should be held there. The arrogance post was aimed at those who are happy to dismiss Wrexham simply because they are based down south. |
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Post by robin1864 on Jul 2, 2017 16:30:33 GMT
Nothing arrogant about it. Ask England to play games in Bristol or Huddersfield! Why would they? Because they're a national team. England fans generally agree that supporting their team was a more positive experience during the years spent touring whilst new Wembley was under construction. Spain, Germany, Serbia, Croatia etc. all shift their games about on a regular basis. The less said about Parc Y Scarlets though, the better. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 7:39:48 GMT
I'm in Manchester and would prefer Cardiff over Wrexham. It wouldn't surprise if this is nothing but club rivalry here from those advocating a move.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 3, 2017 9:09:42 GMT
I'm in Manchester and would prefer Cardiff over Wrexham. It wouldn't surprise if this is nothing but club rivalry here from those advocating a move. How dare you even suggest that. In what world does asking for one game per campaign to be played up in Wrexham incite club rivalry? That is a really narrow minded approach from yourself and I sincerely hope you take it back. |
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Post by JC on Jul 3, 2017 9:53:34 GMT
So its wrong for me to want Wales to play down south because you asume im from south Wales and think its easier for me, but we should play up Wrexham to make it easier for the northern fans? . Jono's making a case for playing 1 game up North. There's a huge difference. It's my opinion that all the qualifying games should be played at the same stadium. Wrexham's stadium holds 10k which isn't enough imo. But that's not to say I want ALL the games to be played down South. Not sure if you follow the u21's, u18s, Women's etc but they play all around the country. Like I said in my earlier post for friendlies I can't see why the FAW wouldn't have thought about doing the same for the Men's? |
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Post by JC on Jul 3, 2017 10:24:01 GMT
Nothing arrogant about it. Ask England to play games in Bristol or Huddersfield! Why would they? Because they're a national team. England fans generally agree that supporting their team was a more positive experience during the years spent touring whilst new Wembley was under construction. Spain, Germany, Serbia, Croatia etc. all shift their games about on a regular basis. The less said about Parc Y Scarlets though, the better. There's a big difference between Wales and England, Spain, Germany etc .. and that's how many stadiums Wales could realistically play in. Wales could play in CCS, Millennium (  ), Liberty and Racecourse. (I think we all agree that even though Rodney Parade hold 8k that the stadium and pitch currently aren't up to scratch!) The number of stadiums in England, Spain and Germany etc which could hold big international games doesn't even compare! That's how England can get away with going up north to Old Trafford in a 75k stadium. We unfortunately haven't got nearly as many options. |
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Post by welwyn on Jul 3, 2017 10:45:48 GMT
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 3, 2017 10:48:53 GMT
Nothing arrogant about it. Ask England to play games in Bristol or Huddersfield! Why would they? Many England fans are crying out for games to be spread out across the country, but I guess you missed that... I dont really care if they are calling out for it, you dont always get what you want, games should be held in capital city, unless stadium being used, or more suitable venue is built outside of capital. Otherwise punishing the fans and the team is ridiculous. Like i said spread the friendlies around, fair enough, but qualifiers would be detrimental to the team. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 3, 2017 10:56:57 GMT
Well if you want 5 people and his dog to visit (if pets are allowed) then have it in Wrexham. If you want to have a larger amount of visitors have it in Cardiff. Dont think it is going to be a big enough attraction for people to travel for miles around to see it. So having it in the capital, you have the footfall to make it work. |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 3, 2017 11:31:35 GMT
Well if you want 5 people and his dog to visit (if pets are allowed) then have it in Wrexham. If you want to have a larger amount of visitors have it in Cardiff. Dont think it is going to be a big enough attraction for people to travel for miles around to see it. So having it in the capital, you have the footfall to make it work. Fuck it. Let's move Mount Snowdon and St. Giles Church to Cardiff as well. Do you not think a town like Wrexham would benefit more from an attraction such as this one more than Cardiff? Do you give a shit about what goes on North of the capital? |
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 3, 2017 11:33:16 GMT
Well if you want 5 people and his dog to visit (if pets are allowed) then have it in Wrexham. By the way, that's a very insulting point to make. You're showing your true colours here, aren't you? |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 3, 2017 11:39:56 GMT
Im just thinking practically not with bias to the place i live. Why not hold a game in Pontypridd, or Merthyr Tydfil or Carmarthen, Aberystwyth, Newport! There are other places than Wrexham or Cardiff. Wrexham has a 11k stadium, its too small currently to host games simple as that, even friendlies would get 15k easy in Cardiff. Having a museum in Wrexham about Welsh football isnt going to attract masses of people to visit Wrexham. So why not put it where there will be tourists who might go there on the off chance. The only person showing bias here is you, expecting everything to be in Wrexham because you live there. I have provided genuine reasons why everything should be in Cardiff, the only argument you can supply is that its the so called home of Welsh Football.
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Post by superunknown on Jul 3, 2017 11:44:56 GMT
Have to say there's some absolutely digusting attitudes from those from down South towards the North of the country. And to make the accusation that this is a club rivalry issue is downright disgraceful. I'm not sure how anyone could begrudge us one qualifier against a smaller nation after the amount of miles people from the North put in every campaign.
Reeks of arrogance and I'm fed up of it.
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Post by erasedcitizen on Jul 3, 2017 11:54:09 GMT
Im just thinking practically not with bias to the place i live. Why not hold a game in Pontypridd, or Merthyr Tydfil or Carmarthen, Aberystwyth, Newport! There are other places than Wrexham or Cardiff. Wrexham has a 11k stadium, its too small currently to host games simple as that, even friendlies would get 15k easy in Cardiff. Having a museum in Wrexham about Welsh football isnt going to attract masses of people to visit Wrexham. So why not put it where there will be tourists who might go there on the off chance. The only person showing bias here is you, expecting everything to be in Wrexham because you live there. I have provided genuine reasons why everything should be in Cardiff, the only argument you can supply is that its the so called home of Welsh Football. I've argued for one Welsh game and the museum of Welsh football to be held in Wrexham. Nothing more. You've fabricated this so called argument that I want everything to be held in Wrexham out of nothing but your own warped view. I want 1 Welsh game to be held in Wrexham and I want the museum of Welsh football to be built in Wrexham. The FAW was founded in the Wynnstay Arms in Wrexham, so my claim that the home of Welsh football is in Wrexham is not so 'so called' is it? Do you not count the town where you were born and raised as your hometown? I accept that Cardiff has had a massive part to play in the development of Welsh football and that it has more adequate facilities to host Welsh games. This is the reason why I can accept the majority of games being held in Cardiff is a wise move. I also believe that those fans who make long, long journeys from the North should be rewarded with a competitive game IN the original home of Welsh football. For those arguing that it'd disrupt the team, I ask you this. Do you honestly believe that a qualifier against a San Marino or Gibraltar will affect our chances of qualification in the future? I won't argue your point about other Welsh towns as it's a duff argument. I'm not opposed to games being held in Swansea either, but not before Wrexham. Fans in the North have waited long enough. |
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Post by cymroircarn on Jul 3, 2017 12:04:32 GMT
Im just thinking practically not with bias to the place i live. Why not hold a game in Pontypridd, or Merthyr Tydfil or Carmarthen, Aberystwyth, Newport! There are other places than Wrexham or Cardiff. Wrexham has a 11k stadium, its too small currently to host games simple as that, even friendlies would get 15k easy in Cardiff. Having a museum in Wrexham about Welsh football isnt going to attract masses of people to visit Wrexham. So why not put it where there will be tourists who might go there on the off chance. The only person showing bias here is you, expecting everything to be in Wrexham because you live there. I have provided genuine reasons why everything should be in Cardiff, the only argument you can supply is that its the so called home of Welsh Football. If Wrexham does not meet the necessary standards then what hope the other places you have mentioned? |
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Post by cymroircarn on Jul 3, 2017 12:06:13 GMT
Im just thinking practically not with bias to the place i live. Why not hold a game in Pontypridd, or Merthyr Tydfil or Carmarthen, Aberystwyth, Newport! There are other places than Wrexham or Cardiff. Wrexham has a 11k stadium, its too small currently to host games simple as that, even friendlies would get 15k easy in Cardiff. Having a museum in Wrexham about Welsh football isnt going to attract masses of people to visit Wrexham. So why not put it where there will be tourists who might go there on the off chance. The only person showing bias here is you, expecting everything to be in Wrexham because you live there. I have provided genuine reasons why everything should be in Cardiff, the only argument you can supply is that its the so called home of Welsh Football. I've argued for one Welsh game and the museum of Welsh football to be held in Wrexham. Nothing more. You've fabricated this so called argument that I want everything to be held in Wrexham out of nothing but your own warped view. I want 1 Welsh game to be held in Wrexham and I want the museum of Welsh football to be built in Wrexham. The FAW was founded in the Wynnstay Arms in Wrexham, so my claim that the home of Welsh football is in Wrexham is not so 'so called' is it? Do you not count the town where you were born and raised as your hometown? I accept that Cardiff has had a massive part to play in the development of Welsh football and that it has more adequate facilities to host Welsh games. This is the reason why I can accept the majority of games being held in Cardiff is a wise move. I also believe that those fans who make long, long journeys from the North should be rewarded with a competitive game IN the original home of Welsh football. For those arguing that it'd disrupt the team, I ask you this. Do you honestly believe that a qualifier against a San Marino or Gibraltar will affect our chances of qualification in the future? I won't argue your point about other Welsh towns as it's a duff argument. I'm not opposed to games being held in Swansea either, but not before Wrexham. Fans in the North have waited long enough. I'm with you on this one. Would love a trip back to Wrexham. |
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Post by jono on Jul 3, 2017 12:29:35 GMT
It'd be hilarious if FAW decided they were moving all Wales games back up North. There's some arrogant swines on this thread.
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 3, 2017 13:06:50 GMT
We have over 11k tournament ticket holders, how do you explain to them that they cannot have a seat because people from the North would like a game closer to home? I can tell you id be mighty pd off if i was told i cant attend a game because we are thanking our fans from North Wales. Thank them with free transport to and from North Wales, extra trains, these kind of things. Why do you have to take something from someone else to benefit you? I dont see how that is arrogance. At present we can sell out the CCS against San Marino and Gibraltar if we had them in competitive games. How selfish are you to think that it is practical to reduce ticket sales to 10k so that North Wales can have a game, so 24k people cannot attend. Like i said host a friendly against a lower ranking team, fair enough, if the stadium is up to scratch.
"Arrogance" = offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride ("we deserve games because we are the home of welsh football")
The only people being arrogant here are the North Wales Brethren.
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Post by jono on Jul 3, 2017 13:20:00 GMT
We have over 11k tournament ticket holders, how do you explain to them that they cannot have a seat because people from the North would like a game closer to home? I can tell you id be mighty pd off if i was told i cant attend a game because we are thanking our fans from North Wales. Thank them with free transport to and from North Wales, extra trains, these kind of things. Why do you have to take something from someone else to benefit you? I dont see how that is arrogance. At present we can sell out the CCS against San Marino and Gibraltar if we had them in competitive games. How selfish are you to think that it is practical to reduce ticket sales to 10k so that North Wales can have a game, so 24k people cannot attend. Like i said host a friendly against a lower ranking team, fair enough, if the stadium is up to scratch. "Arrogance" = offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride ("we deserve games because we are the home of welsh football") The only people being arrogant here are the North Wales Brethren. It isn't sinking in is it? It has been said when the Racecourse is upto scratch. I.E a larger capacity Racecourse. No one is saying anywhere to move it to a 10k capacity Racecourse where people like yourself will be p'd off because you won't be able to attend. No one's saying anywhere it's to benefit Northern fans. The fact is Y Cae Ras has held 91 internationals. If/when it becomes Millenium of the North.... hold 1 qualifier there. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 3, 2017 13:43:45 GMT
If it gets increased to 34k i will have no argument other than transport.
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Post by biwmares on Jul 3, 2017 16:38:40 GMT
Everyone should read the excellent book from Phil Stead "Red Dragons: The Story of Welsh Football" www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Red-Dragons-Story-Welsh-Football-Phil-Stead/1784612367Surely the qualifying games against smaller nations should be considered for a redeveloped Racecourse ground if it happens in the future. Im certainly no fan of the WRU but fairplay to them they come up to North Wales on a regular basis & meet the public & play some games. The FAW on the other hand ignore North Wales a bit like the WAG/BBC Wales. The Wales Rugby team play some games up north? Really? Genuinely have no idea as I don't follow rugby and now live in England but I thought all games were in Cardiff. Yes they played this game recently granted it was a warm up against a RGC team but they do venture out of South Wales region & on occasions have even trained up here. www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/wales-field-two-separate-teams-13125353Fairplay & congratulations to the WRU they grasp the meaning of "together stronger" unlike some of the dimwits at the FAW. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 7:40:40 GMT
Have to say there's some absolutely digusting attitudes from those from down South towards the North of the country. And to make the accusation that this is a club rivalry issue is downright disgraceful. I'm not sure how anyone could begrudge us one qualifier against a smaller nation after the amount of miles people from the North put in every campaign. Reeks of arrogance and I'm fed up of it. I live in Manchester and have done since I went to university. I have no issue at all in getting down to Cardiff and, to be honest, relish the opportunity to do other things in our glorious capital aside from watch my country. We need to play in the most plausible ground so the Cardiff City Stadium ticks the box, IMO. What does Wrexham hold? 10,000? I'd imagine Republic of Ireland want more than 1000 tickets for their clash here. The club rivalry comment was tongue in cheek and I'm surprised people don't get that. Edit: OK... When The Racecourse is up to scratch. Let us have this discussion when this is the case. It's otherwise pointless. In an ideal situation we'd play at Cardiff Arms Park (or whatever it's called now.) That Champions League Final looked ok. |
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Post by superunknown on Jul 4, 2017 7:46:50 GMT
Have to say there's some absolutely digusting attitudes from those from down South towards the North of the country. And to make the accusation that this is a club rivalry issue is downright disgraceful. I'm not sure how anyone could begrudge us one qualifier against a smaller nation after the amount of miles people from the North put in every campaign. Reeks of arrogance and I'm fed up of it. I live in Manchester and have done since I went to university. I have no issue at all in getting down to Cardiff and, to be honest, relish the opportunity to do other things in our glorious capital aside from watch my country. We need to play in the most plausible ground so the Cardiff City Stadium ticks the box, IMO. What does Wrexham hold? 10,000? I'd imagine Republic of Ireland want more than 1000 tickets for their clash here. The club rivalry comment was tongue in cheek and I'm surprised people don't get that. I lived in Manchester while at uni as well, I'm not saying I mind travelling down. I live in Cardiff now so it's a stones throw away but that's not the issue. Northern Welsh fans travel in their droves and always will, I'm just saying it wouldn't go amiss to throw a qualifier our way. Surely you must know we wouldn't be asking for the Republic of Ireland game of all games. We understand that the CCS is going to be the main stadium for the foreseeable future but allowing a small qualifier such as Moldova for example, to be played in Wales would go a long way in the eyes of us Northerners. Seeing as it is the home of Welsh football, you'd think the FAW would be a little more supportive in getting the Racecourse back up to some sort of international standard. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2017 7:50:54 GMT
There were 31,731 at the Moldova match. It was midweek. a Monday?
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Post by superunknown on Jul 4, 2017 7:58:47 GMT
There were 31,731 at the Moldova match. It was midweek. a Monday? It was our first game back after the Euros. I'm not saying it should have been that specific game, I'm saying it should be a team of that size. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 4, 2017 9:43:35 GMT
There were 31,731 at the Moldova match. It was midweek. a Monday? It was our first game back after the Euros. I'm not saying it should have been that specific game, I'm saying it should be a team of that size. Again though, at present we are riding a wave and can sell out for these games, so it makes no sense taking games to North Wales. I understand and appreciate the miles you guys put in, its just Geography, it sucks for you. A friendly here or there i can accept, but whilst we are selling out home games it would be crazy to go north. |
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 4, 2017 9:50:23 GMT
Jul 4, 2017 9:15:04 GMT 1 manulike said:
If I remember correctly, only 19500 TT were sold last year. I assume the Austrians will want circa 2.5k tickets, so circa 10k tickets will be on sale?
From another thread - so its nearly 20k season ticket holders you need to find a seat for at the new Wrexham stadium? Best of luck with that.
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Post by texan on Jul 4, 2017 10:12:02 GMT
Seeing as it is the home of Welsh football, you'd think the FAW would be a little more supportive in getting the Racecourse back up to some sort of international standard. That sort of investment can't be justified at present though. It just doesn't make sense for the FAW to throw millions at a stadium to bring it up to UEFA code just for a friendly match every 12-18 months when the resident team of that stadium plays in the Conference. The maintenance costs alone would be crippling and Wrexham AFC/the Supporters' Trust/Glyndwr are certainly in no position to be able to afford the upkeep on a weekly basis, if Wrexham were a League 1 side it would probably be a different argument as ground improvements would aid the club's ambitions enormously. At the moment however...not so much. The FAW's money is much more valuable lower down the chain in north Wales at the moment at grassroots level, developing the player bases in Wrexham's catchment area and ensuring that one day they may have the playing resources to pull themselves up the leagues to a level where the FAW can justify spending money directly on the Racecourse. To be fair to them, this is exactly what they are doing, the FAW already collaborate with Glyndwr on various projects and they're currently undertaking a facilities review on behalf of the Council to help develop a 'Future Football Vision & Action Plan' for the area: moderngov.wrexham.gov.uk/documents/s7870/Item%205.pdf?LLL=undefinedI want international football back at the Racecourse, but not at any price, I'd rather it took longer if its done right. Realistically at present, the only thing that will speed up bringing the Welsh side back up north is if Wrexham starts climbing the leagues. Fingers crossed (as always!) for next season therefore! |
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Post by georgeberrysheadband on Jul 4, 2017 11:46:45 GMT
Always surprised me how few south walians but the TT's. Even if we were playing badly, it's something to do - 5 games for £80 is a bargain. Anybody any ideas why this doesn't sell out
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Post by phillywelsh83 on Jul 4, 2017 11:53:19 GMT
Always surprised me how few south walians but the TT's. Even if we were playing badly, it's something to do - 5 games for £80 is a bargain. Anybody any ideas why this doesn't sell out Do they put 34,000 on sale? I think they only sell a certain amount and they were all sold out. Might be wrong.? |
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