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Post by squatter1 on May 21, 2014 10:52:03 GMT
Yeah, I watched the video and the highlights of his game against England for our U21s.
He looks very promising, but still very raw. Championship or perhaps lower level Prem loan next season would be the best chance of him getting game time and progressing.
It would be a (most welcome) miracle if Van Gaal sees him in the first team squad next season, and even if he does the likelihood of getting games is low (Januzai would appear to play the same position, for example).
What I saw from the two games is a player that's perhaps not settled on a role yet. For much of the two matches he looked to be playing as an attacking midfielder, coming deep to get the ball. He hardly seemed to play up front, although looks to have the build and attributes to play as a striker.
If he is playing games at Championship level or above at the beginning of next season then he's nailed on for the first team squad for us. And it will be up to him to show that he can displace HRK or Joniesta as one of our attacking wide men, or perhaps even stand in for Vokes up front (less likely)
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Post by Tim P on May 21, 2014 18:14:16 GMT
Van Gaal is driven by ego: he brought loads of young players through at Munich, so if Lawrence is any good he'll want to do the same again.
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Post by flynnfan on Jul 17, 2014 15:10:34 GMT
Van Gaal: "I am not always convinced of the experience of players. I have said a lot of times in the media, Clarence Seedorf was 16 years old, I let him make his debut for Ajax. He was sometimes more experienced than a player of 30-years-old.
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Over to you Tom.
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Post by melynwy on Jul 18, 2014 13:23:15 GMT
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 18, 2014 13:26:54 GMT
This shouldn't even be a possibility by now.
Two words for Coleman: Jermaine Easter.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 18, 2014 13:28:42 GMT
This shouldn't even be a possibility by now. Two words for Coleman: Jermaine Easter. Was a friendly would of made no difference, if Tom wants to change then fuck him!!! |
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Post by squatter1 on Jul 18, 2014 13:41:22 GMT
Oh yeah, true.
Isn't there a gentleman's agreement that once a player has played for one of the home nations even if in a friendly then the others can't poach?
Has it ever, ever happened before that we've had a player on the bench for the senior team, who's then switched to one of the other home nations, or vice versa? (Rhys Williams doesnt count cos he switched to Oz)
Anyway, Lawrence is born and bred Wrexham isnt he? Probably a non-story.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 18, 2014 13:43:57 GMT
Oh yeah, true. Isn't there a gentleman's agreement that once a player has played for one of the home nations even if in a friendly then the others can't poach? Has it ever, ever happened before that we've had a player on the bench for the senior team, who's then switched to one of the other home nations, or vice versa? (Rhys Williams doesnt count cos he switched to Oz) Anyway, Lawrence is born and bred Wrexham isnt he? Probably a non-story. Yeah but England don't seem to care about this agreement mate, he is Wrexham born I believe. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 13:48:08 GMT
Picking easter to come off the bench instead of lawrence in front of the watching van gaal was an alarming call.
Lawrence has not been picked in van gaals first 25 man squad to tour the usa pre season.
Shame for the lad. I'm sure he scratched his head and wondered why? After all, he is the future...easter is not.
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 18, 2014 14:00:10 GMT
Iv been through his twitter account and there is only ever his support of wales in football and rugby. I think he is a proud welsh man. this story sounds very similar to jack collisions situation a few years ago!!!
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 18, 2014 14:02:23 GMT
And jonny williams
And paul dummet!!!!!!
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Post by abwales on Jul 18, 2014 14:11:57 GMT
Coleman is just terrible terrible terrible. If he cared about Wales he'd resign. What a fucking mess this situation has turned out to be. Forget about agreements etc this is another example of awful man management just like the Myhill situation. Imagine being snubbed for Jermaine Easter, Jermaine fucking Easter. If I wasn't so passionate to be Welsh I'd jump ship if I was Lawrence. He is the worst Wales manager since I started watching. Toshack is fucking Mourinho in comparison.
#CrappyColemanOut #SaveWales #GodHelpWales
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 18, 2014 14:39:57 GMT
Coleman is just terrible terrible terrible. If he cared about Wales he'd resign. What a fucking mess this situation has turned out to be. Forget about agreements etc this is another example of awful man management just like the Myhill situation. Imagine being snubbed for Jermaine Easter, Jermaine fucking Easter. If I wasn't so passionate to be Welsh I'd jump ship if I was Lawrence. He is the worst Wales manager since I started watching. Toshack is fucking Mourinho in comparison. #CrappyColemanOut #SaveWales #GodHelpWales Hahahahahaaa!!!!! #ColemanIn CookiesBarmyArmy |
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 18, 2014 14:43:53 GMT
Always Coleman's fault,fuck off mun if Tom Lawrence wants to play for England he can fuck off don't come on here and make out Coleman has treated Ton Lawrence so badly that he wouldn't want to play for his country again.
Says it all about Lawrence if he wants to jump ship because he didn't come on as a sub!!!
Everyone is entitled to thier opinions but I'm sick of the constant Coleman bashing and the blame Coleman for everything. Its bollocks quite frankly!!!
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 18, 2014 14:43:54 GMT
Agree with Baxter if doesn't want to play for Wales....then sod him.
However he seems Welsh as but god only knows what goes on behind closed doors at these big teams
Giggs could say "You'll regret it" (doubt it though)
Van Gaal on day 1 with Tom "You will improve massively with England and have for more of a chance succeeding and should think about major tournaments" he could of said that....Although wrong of course these days. Imagine he becomes a great player. Him on the Right Bale on the left Huws Allen Ramsey in the middle what a Midfield!
I get the impression from his twitter Tom wants to stick! We should all tweet him though asking for confirmation his Twitter can't be that active yet.
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Post by toshfan on Jul 18, 2014 14:52:11 GMT
Coleman is just terrible terrible terrible. If he cared about Wales he'd resign. What a fucking mess this situation has turned out to be. Forget about agreements etc this is another example of awful man management just like the Myhill situation. Imagine being snubbed for Jermaine Easter, Jermaine fucking Easter. If I wasn't so passionate to be Welsh I'd jump ship if I was Lawrence. He is the worst Wales manager since I started watching. Toshack is fucking Mourinho in comparison. #CrappyColemanOut #SaveWales #GodHelpWales Other than agreeing with you about the odd substitution, that is one of the worst postings on Apostle. I do not remember Mourinho saving a football nation heading for its knees. To think you reserve your small quota of positivity for the Sparky Managerial years says a lot. |
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Post by abwales on Jul 18, 2014 15:33:03 GMT
Coleman is just terrible terrible terrible. If he cared about Wales he'd resign. What a fucking mess this situation has turned out to be. Forget about agreements etc this is another example of awful man management just like the Myhill situation. Imagine being snubbed for Jermaine Easter, Jermaine fucking Easter. If I wasn't so passionate to be Welsh I'd jump ship if I was Lawrence. He is the worst Wales manager since I started watching. Toshack is fucking Mourinho in comparison. #CrappyColemanOut #SaveWales #GodHelpWales Other than agreeing with you about the odd substitution, that is one of the worst postings on Apostle. I do not remember Mourinho saving a football nation heading for its knees. To think you reserve your small quota of positivity for the Sparky Managerial years says a lot. I DON'T GIVE A SHIT about Toshack saving a football nation heading for its knees. I'm a Wales fan, I only care about results and performances at that moment, I shouldn't be made to watch shit and be told to wait for the future riches it'll bring. The number one duty of a manager is results and performances a duty he FAILED, everything else should come secondary - and it probably did just Toshack is so shit he couldn't get any results. We can all look back now and say yes maybe it was worth it if its the reason we're in a much better position now, but in NO WAY should Toshack be considered a successful Wales manager. Hughes was far more successful and Speed was far more successful with their good run of results. I'm only old enough to remember the end of the Sparky era. I was positive at that time because we got results and good performances. I was negative during the Toshack years because we didn't get good results and performances apart from the odd few - which I was positive about. Same under Coleman - I've been negative because he hasn't given me anything to be positive about other than a few odd results - I celebrated the Belgium draw and Bale goal against Scotland etc just as much as anyone here. I was as overly optimistic as anyone on this forum when the draw was made - because the group is so favourable that we could overcome the fact we have a shit manager. When Coleman produces consistently good performances I will be positive. I feel he will inevitably fail because he hasn't given me a reason to think otherwise. Until he does, and continues to make a mess of situations like this, I will be negative and won't apologize for it. |
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Post by toshfan on Jul 18, 2014 15:38:16 GMT
I DON'T GIVE A SHIT about Toshack saving a football nation heading for its knees. No ok, I guess that is not important :0 Four games on the spin - Finland away, Italy home, Azerbaijan home & away. |
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Post by abwales on Jul 18, 2014 15:54:35 GMT
No ok, I guess that is not important :0 No, its not important when the senior team results and performances are so derisory at that moment. If Coleman gets third place with the worst results possible I'll be positive. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 16:25:44 GMT
If you thought football was bad under toshack good job your not old enough to remember goulds era,tosh's team played like the 70's Brazil team compared to goulds sides!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 16:28:48 GMT
#BoringNegativeFansOut
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Post by abwales on Jul 18, 2014 16:38:16 GMT
#ThisIsAForumWherePeopleExpressDifferentOpinionsGetOverItIThinkColemanIsShitAndGiveReasonsForItIfYouDontLikeItThenArgueOtherwiseThatsWhyItsCalledAForumAPlaceForPeopleToDebateAndDiscussIDontTellPeopleToGoAwayForTheirOpinionsNoMatterHowRidiculousIThinkTheyAreDontTellMeToGoAwayForHavingMineThanks
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 16:55:28 GMT
"I'm only old enough to remember the end of the Sparky era. I was positive at that time because we got results and good performances."
The nation was manipulated by all the huge Media hype// new 70,000 stadium sell outs// Short-term patriotism
I mean after the Italy game Wales were cover of fourfourtwo, the BBC and S4C and Radio went on and on, it was impossible to escape this excitement, and why not enjoy it?
After a positive start Sparky bottled it as we held on to the early success and eventually lost in the play offs.
Then the next campaign we drew 1-1 with Azerbaijan and Sparky eventually left us, Tosh picked us up, ignored all the negativity and gave Welsh football a new opportunity.
When putting things into perspective it's understandable that we didn't qualify for the world cup under Chris Coleman's management.
At last there's a real sense of positivity across a majority of football fans in Wales, there's a real sense of belief that we can qualify for Euro 2016.
Sparky's results in his first campaign in charge weren't very good, let's be positive, if we get a minimum of 7 points in our first 3 games then expect the media & country to stand up and take notice, we'll be filling our home stadium again, BALE will undoubtedly fill the papers in a Welsh shirt, everyone's positive, loving the national team again, talks of going to the millennium stadium, is football the national sport, can Wales finally qualify since 58, bla bla bla
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:13:33 GMT
I'm still undecided on Coleman BUT we have to get behind the team,I've said this before Coleman had the last campaign to get his ideas across,he now has to deliver!!Getting on his back before a ball is kicked is counter productive WE have to back the team end of!
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Post by abwales on Jul 18, 2014 17:27:28 GMT
Thanks for arguing against my point of view rather than telling me to go away. I think I've already touched on my positivity towards the Sparky era - We almost qualified, which is why I was positive at the time and look back on it as a positive time. I think its perfectly understandable that Coleman didn't lead us to World cup qualification. I wouldn't have expected qualification even if we had the best manager ever. The lack of results and good performances however didn't meet the standards I think we should be setting. Giving him a new unwarranted contract I feel was just adding to the 'against us pile' that has 58 years of failure, no striker etc already on it. There is a positivity, believe it or not despite my negativity towards the managerial situation I'm still positive we can qualify... somehow! vandenhauweI'm against Coleman being our manager but its not like he's reading this messageboard. I'm not the type of person to go to games shouting against Coleman. I've never chanted against any team, player or manager I want to do well and I'd love nothing more than to see him and the team succeed. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:35:51 GMT
We all want the best for our national team, I'd like to know how you feel about many players including Bale, Gunter, Ramsey, Ledley backing Chris Coleman?
I feel that we need some continuity more than ever going into this campaign, if we do qualify then I can't see any reason not to be supportive of Coleman.
If we fail to get 3rd place then we should look for a new manager
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 18, 2014 17:36:39 GMT
He's not going away before the Andorra game is he? And he won't be going away for the duration of the campaign so you may as well just support him. I personally wish Lagerback was in charge or any other decent choice. BUT he's there so let's get behind him and he has a chance to prove a lot of us wrong. I'm contradicting myself I don't want him there but I think 9 points from 9, There is a real strong chance of that happening and if it does the confidence he will have and the players and plastic fans and that Stuart Tucker will have in his ability will be amazing.
#GetbehindColeman
Also If a player plays bad for us do you support him and tell him to f off straight away?
It's not Jermaine Easters fault he keeps getting picked, Support him if he get on the field ffs!!! I remember so many people used to slag off Andrew Crofts when he'd turn up no matter what!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:43:57 GMT
Players will always back the manager or they will be dropped!!These first 3 games are absolutely huge take 7 points from the first 3 and its on,we need to be talking about the players and be positive we spend to much time worrying about the opposition no-one wouldve wanted us out if pot four!!So IF Coleman cocks up lets talk about him then,id much rather discuss the fact that going forward we can scare the crap out of every team in this group!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2014 17:49:52 GMT
If we don't beat Andorra and Cyrpus then questions should be asked, things should be looked at, I can't predict the future but I do think we can do well in this group.
It would be great if we could at least get a draw against Bosnia, I'm hoping that we perform better than we did in our 2 games against Serbia, hopefully we won't have too many players pull out of the game.
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Post by hookd on Jul 18, 2014 18:23:46 GMT
This is poor management. We have encountered this before with Rhys Williams - thankfully he has not developed into anything special. How can this have happened?
Easter is a last, desperate option, with no future. Putting Lawrence on would have made him feel part of things. Furthermore, there is no evidence that England would break the gentleman's agreement between the 4 nations - has anyone ever broken it? So if he played for 1 min vs. Holland I am sure he would be ours. The decision Coleman made has no logic.
Looking at Lawrence's twitter communications there is no overt indication of Welshness? Wrexham is a border town; so I assume loyalties can sometimes be split? You have a situation where Mark Hughes is as Welsh as they come! However, you have the opposite situation where Rob Jones was born in Wrexham and had a Welsh mum but decided to play for England. If we lose him it was totally avoidable.
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