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Post by welshwizard79 on Jul 18, 2014 19:50:43 GMT
@tomlawrence99: Good performance tonight thought we deserved at least a point #wales
@tomlawrence99: Good half for the welsh #wales
@tomlawrence99: Game v Moldova #euro #qualifier #u21
@tomlawrence99: Good win from the lads #winning #3points
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 18, 2014 19:57:55 GMT
@tomlawrence : come on the welsh #Redmen
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 18, 2014 20:00:39 GMT
The come on the welsh #redmen was a tweet from the 25 of feb 2012 wales vs England in rugbu
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Post by biwmares on Jul 18, 2014 22:44:56 GMT
I cannot see Tom Lawrence opting for England now.
But our esteemed manager needs to build for the future & should have brought him on against Holland.
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Post by stu on Jul 19, 2014 16:02:40 GMT
If we don't beat Andorra and Cyrpus then questions should be asked, things should be looked at, I can't predict the future but I do think we can do well in this group. If we can't beat both of them we don't deserve a national team and we might as well give Steve Tucker a call.  Seriously though, Andorra represents a great chance to get off to a flyer and get some of the younger players capped in a qualifier. |
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Post by scoop76 on Jul 19, 2014 16:47:42 GMT
I cannot see Tom Lawrence opting for England now. But our esteemed manager needs to build for the future & should have brought him on against Holland. After the game I think Coleman said he "couldn't" bring Lawrence on. I've yet to establish why. There's no way he could have lost count of the number of substitutions he'd made or was allowed is there? Either way he should have been given a chance ahead of Easter. |
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Post by alarch on Jul 19, 2014 18:44:56 GMT
I think that's precisely what happened...
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Post by alarch on Jul 19, 2014 18:46:13 GMT
What other reason could there be for using the word "couldn't"? Of course he could, unless he cocked up, so that he couldn't any more.
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Post by toshfan on Jul 20, 2014 12:07:15 GMT
If you thought football was bad under toshack good job your not old enough to remember goulds era,tosh's team played like the 70's Brazil team compared to goulds sides! All about opinions I know, but the football under Toshack was much better than it was under Sparky. I accept that there were some games under Toshack where performances were not good enough (e.g. Ireland away & Finland home) and some lacked intensity. But games such as the 2-1 loss out in Russia showed we owe Toshack our future. I realise I am preaching to the converted with some, including yourself. |
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Post by hookd on Jul 20, 2014 13:02:49 GMT
I really hope Tom tells them to go and take a running jump. This would be a psychological blow if one of our own decided to jump ship to boost their chance of playing in a championship/get a higher profile. It is really a sad state of affairs if England continue to target young Welsh talent instead of developing their own across their vastly larger pool. Can't wait to see them try the same thing with a Scottish youngster!
Does anyone know the lad? How passionate is Tom about Wales?
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Post by caeboy on Jul 20, 2014 13:17:18 GMT
Conversely it would be a huge boost if he publicly announces he only wants to play for Wales (and tells the Welsh Uncle Tom supporting England World Cup lot in so doing that we have a Welsh team and have our own ambitions).
There was a guy on the Welsh football fans Facebook page who claimed to know Tom Lawrence and that he ain't for turning. This forum is promoted there incidentally.
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Post by Baxter Cymru on Jul 20, 2014 13:51:34 GMT
I run the Welsh football fans page Caeboy and 99% of people think Lawrence will commit to us in my opinion!
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 20, 2014 15:00:19 GMT
What other reason could there be for using the word "couldn't"? Of course he could, unless he cocked up, so that he couldn't any more. Would it be for the same reason that a Belgium fixture prior to the World Cup was downgraded from a friendly to a practice match as one team made 7 substitutions. One more than the maximum of 6. Perhaps Coleman miscounted. When he realised there was nothing he could do. |
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Post by Tim P on Jul 20, 2014 16:10:22 GMT
What evidence is there at all that suggests he would opt to play for another country? Just wondering. Surely he wouldn't have turned up and sat on the bench if he had any kind of reservations.
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Post by georgetm1 on Jul 20, 2014 17:00:03 GMT
I live near Wrexham and it is a very proud Welsh town (unlike the shithole I live in) So I cannot see Lawrence even considering playing for England. Ask yourself, would you if you were in his position, knowing that you would get destroyed by your hometown, family and friends for even considering it? He would be a pariah in his own country, and judging by what people have been saying about the guy, then I don't think he would even entertain such a ridiculous idea.
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Post by stu on Jul 20, 2014 17:31:13 GMT
What other reason could there be for using the word "couldn't"? Of course he could, unless he cocked up, so that he couldn't any more. Would it be for the same reason that a Belgium fixture prior to the World Cup was downgraded from a friendly to a practice match as one team made 7 substitutions. One more than the maximum of 6. Perhaps Coleman miscounted. When he realised there was nothing he could do. Any more than 6 and it doesn't count towards the rankings. |
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Post by bale-droed on Jul 20, 2014 18:24:01 GMT
I live near Wrexham and it is a very proud Welsh town (unlike the shithole I live in) So I cannot see Lawrence even considering playing for England. Ask yourself, would you if you were in his position, knowing that you would get destroyed by your hometown, family and friends for even considering it? He would be a pariah in his own country, and judging by what people have been saying about the guy, then I don't think he would even entertain such a ridiculous idea. Wonder what happened with Rob Jones then? |
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 20, 2014 18:29:09 GMT
And arlen birch Wrexham born and bred plays for Everton and England under 16. 17 . 18. 19
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Post by Tim P on Jul 20, 2014 19:22:39 GMT
And arlen birch Wrexham born and bred plays for Everton and England under 16. 17 . 18. 19 Someone ask him on Twitter? Probably english parents (i.e. dad) I'd imagine. |
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 20, 2014 19:24:18 GMT
Would it be for the same reason that a Belgium fixture prior to the World Cup was downgraded from a friendly to a practice match as one team made 7 substitutions. One more than the maximum of 6. Perhaps Coleman miscounted. When he realised there was nothing he could do. Any more than 6 and it doesn't count towards the rankings. Here is an article on the Belgian game: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/27703265 |
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Post by biwmares on Jul 20, 2014 19:26:54 GMT
And arlen birch Wrexham born and bred plays for Everton and England under 16. 17 . 18. 19 He may have been born in Wrexham, but he was brought up in Oswestry in Shropshire. Tom Lawrence born in Wrexham but brought up in Penyffordd in Flintshire |
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Post by toshfan on Jul 20, 2014 19:45:42 GMT
And arlen birch Wrexham born and bred plays for Everton and England under 16. 17 . 18. 19 He may have been born in Wrexham, but he was brought up in Oswestry in Shropshire. Tom Lawrence born in Wrexham but brought up in Penyffordd in Flintshire This is very interesting. I used Oswestry as my base during the recent Urdd Eisteddfod in Bala. What amazed me about Oswestry was the amount of Welsh streetnames. Maybe being raised in Oswestry is not good enough reason to play for England?  |
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Post by richierich333 on Jul 21, 2014 11:47:40 GMT
Please no! I hate this as I went through it with Collison and Jonny Williams. I will not be able to relax until he finally gets on in a qualifier. I just hope he plays the Andorra game and I would even consider him as a starter, why not? I would guess that Coleman said beofre the Holland game, something like: 'Come and join the squad you don't have to play but see how you feel afterwards'. There's no other explanation for him not playing some part in that one.
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 21, 2014 12:11:28 GMT
This is one of the tweets he favoured after the game so I think he did want to get on Attachments:
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Post by georgetm1 on Jul 21, 2014 20:38:55 GMT
I live near Wrexham and it is a very proud Welsh town (unlike the shithole I live in) So I cannot see Lawrence even considering playing for England. Ask yourself, would you if you were in his position, knowing that you would get destroyed by your hometown, family and friends for even considering it? He would be a pariah in his own country, and judging by what people have been saying about the guy, then I don't think he would even entertain such a ridiculous idea. Wonder what happened with Rob Jones then? He was brought up in Ellesmere Port and never played for any Welsh youth teams. |
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Post by llannerch on Jul 21, 2014 21:20:01 GMT
Hang on....Southgate expresses an interest in him (understandable), and he's eligible to play for England so he's entitled to keep his options open (whatever we think about that). But he hasn't said anything about the story, yet some people are on his case?
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Post by richierich333 on Jul 22, 2014 10:50:10 GMT
I'm not getting on his case but i don't remember a time when someone was called up elsewhere and we chased them after that, but I'm willing to be corrected there. What happened tot he 'gentleman's agreement' between the British nations? Surely this agreement would cover a player who has already been called up to the full national squad? What the hell is Southgate up to?
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Post by ladotelli on Jul 22, 2014 17:40:56 GMT
Hang on....Southgate expresses an interest in him (understandable), and he's eligible to play for England so he's entitled to keep his options open (whatever we think about that). But he hasn't said anything about the story, yet some people are on his case? I was thinking this too. Only Southgate has said that he would call up Lawrence should he want to play for England, there is nothing wrong with that seeing as he does qualify for England and looks like a quality player. The player or anyone in both camps haven't said anything, this is just a non story. I highly doubt he will play for England. |
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Post by Tim P on Jul 22, 2014 21:39:23 GMT
Can anyone provide a link to actual quotes from southgate? I've seen a couple of articles, but zero quotes. Seems like agent driven promotional stuff to me.
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Post by ontheroadagain on Jul 22, 2014 21:59:01 GMT
Can anyone provide a link to actual quotes from southgate? I've seen a couple of articles, but zero quotes. Seems like agent driven promotional stuff to me. Cannot find any either |
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