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Post by abwales on Jul 29, 2014 15:35:42 GMT
On the daily mail website:  I read the article and it doesn't mention him at all though. I think they might have gotten him mixed up with Wilson the united striker they actually mention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 16:06:30 GMT
I'm not worried about any of this, he's been involved with the first team and he's played plenty of times for the U21s, seems like a genuinely proud Welshman.
It was interesting to read that Harry Wilson had been approached by England, seems like that's why Wales wanted to tie him down so quickly, although it was said he'd always have chosen Wales anyway.
And it was nice to hear how proud Paul Dummett was to play for Wales too, our future is tidy, we just need a striker and a few more decent goalkeepers (in the short term)!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 12:28:47 GMT
With hrk out of the Andorra game he has to play!
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jul 31, 2014 18:17:05 GMT
Just heard Coleman talk briefly on Radio Wales about the Lawrence situation and English interest in him and George Williams!!! So looks like Southgate or someone at the England camp has shown interest in Lawrence and Williams too.
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 31, 2014 20:06:24 GMT
What did he say?
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Post by welshwizard79 on Jul 31, 2014 20:34:37 GMT
I'm trying to find it online but it's not up anywhere. Just said that he needed to try and make sure they both stick with Wales and this involved sitting down with them and talking to their parents etc. Also, said they were good young players and have a future with Wales and would play international football etc. |
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Post by reedy08 on Jul 31, 2014 20:38:50 GMT
Thanks pal
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Post by abwales on Jul 31, 2014 20:52:36 GMT
A nation of 53 million trying to steal talent from a nation of 3 million. They must be desperate. I suppose its what we get for producing the 2 best British talents of recent time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2014 21:13:02 GMT
A nation of 53 million trying to steal talent from a nation of 3 million. They must be desperate. I suppose its what we get for producing the 2 best British talents of recent time. They are desparate and this is the start of their way back. They will do anything it takes as well the cunts. The big fucking cunts. Funny though as usually, through all the english.....er.. i mean british media channels, they laugh and pour scorn on the celts for 'stealing' plastics and 'second rate' dual qualifieds. But then, they have always been hypocrites. |
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Post by llannerch on Aug 1, 2014 12:30:40 GMT
A nation of 53 million trying to steal talent from a nation of 3 million. They must be desperate. I suppose its what we get for producing the 2 best British talents of recent time. They are desparate and this is the start of their way back. They will do anything it takes as well the cunts. The big fucking cunts. Funny though as usually, through all the english.....er.. i mean british media channels, they laugh and pour scorn on the celts for 'stealing' plastics and 'second rate' dual qualifieds. But then, they have always been hypocrites. Get down off the fence baresi and tell us what you really think  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 12:49:00 GMT
They are desparate and this is the start of their way back. They will do anything it takes as well the cunts. The big fucking cunts. Funny though as usually, through all the english.....er.. i mean british media channels, they laugh and pour scorn on the celts for 'stealing' plastics and 'second rate' dual qualifieds. But then, they have always been hypocrites. Get down off the fence baresi and tell us what you really think With my calm rational hat on England will probably have a ten year plan and will have looked at the German model which included a World Cup winning squad with a diverse ethnic mix. Its obvious England will try to mirror this and any dual qualified players - including welsh/english - will become targets. England need to widen their player base in terms of quality as do all countries that require success and this is just a part of that strategy. Someone mentioned a 'gentlemans agreement' between the four home unions whereby they agreed that if a player had previously played a friendly for one country the other countries would not try to poach that player. I don't believe this for a minute. England agreed with Germany in the 1990s (gentleman's agreement) that if Germany withdrew from the bidding for Euro 1996 to give England a clear run, England would not bid for the 2006 World Cup. Guess what? England bid for the 2006 World Cup and Franz Beckenbauer said that after shaking Bobby Charlton's hand over the matter he could never trust the English again. What we can offer, and which Coleman alluded to on the radio the other night was that by opting for Wales, players like Lawrence and Williams will not be simply part of an expanded player pyramid but will likely get more first team opportunities with Wales which can only be good for their careers. Its just a pity and a shame that he decided to ignore Lawrence while George Williams was fearlessly taking it to the Dutch and picked Easter instead. he needs to practice what he preaches a bit more. Maybe it was just a one off mistake. I really do hope so. |
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Post by hookd on Aug 1, 2014 21:11:03 GMT
I am a bit concerned about Lawrence. Any one of us would have 1. Noticed the fuss 2. Made clear directly (or directly through the Welsh management) where their loyalties lie.
Wrexham is a border town, I think his dad is English and he has probably spent most of his teenage years in the North West of England I assume.
So sad if one of our own turns into a glory hunter.
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Post by abwales on Aug 1, 2014 21:34:53 GMT
I wouldn't say they're glory hunters. They are inevitable fail hunters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 8:15:56 GMT
Penyffordd is geographically as close to Chester as it is to Wrexham and like most of North East Wales has been anglicised to a large extent. If the boy has grown up in Penyfforrdd then he will have grown up with a lot of English (Chester overspill) probably supporting England and taking (like a lot of people in Wales) more interest in English national team then ours.
I expect the fact that he was born at Wrexham Maelor was probably a "birth of convenience" as they probably 50/50 the births from these villages between Chester and Wrexham depending on bed availability at the given time.
With the in-migration in North East Wales continuing at an alarming pace I expect there to be many more "Tom Lawrences" for debate on this board in the coming years.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Aug 2, 2014 9:25:48 GMT
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Post by luke on Aug 2, 2014 9:56:07 GMT
I'm not worried about Lawrence or Williams, they can probably both be capped next month. When there was a threat to Wilson Coleman capped him.
I am a bit concerned about the fatalistic language Coleman uses in that interview. I get his point but saying "we can't stop them" is going to make some fans very nervous. I wouldn't join in the criticism of Coleman because he has "signed" Dummett and Chester, and he hasn't "lost" any senior player to England. He has a good record. But his wording in that article is a bit unfortunate.
I wonder if a proper regulated agreement is needed or whether, because we gain as many players as we lose (or more), we actually do quite well out of the "gentleman's agreement"?
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Post by hookd on Aug 2, 2014 10:10:00 GMT
Just saw the interview. It does not sound good! "We can't stop them if England are showing an interest," Coleman said. Either self defeating or the players have made clear they are considering their options. Was this perhaps the reason Lawrence did not play in the Dutch friendly?
England really are pathetic. Neither of them are stand out big talents, like the likes of Bale, Ramsey (stand out at U21 international level no matter the opposition), Owen or Rooney and I think they will probably end up anywhere between mid tier championship to low tier premiership clubs in reality. However, they see a little bit of talent and want to make sure they don't miss out on someone who 'could' develop into a top player. In other words they are disrupting us just to have an option.
England really should not be this insecure and self defeating. Germany always had their young 'foreign qualified' players integrated into the national system at a very young age. Lawrence, Williams, Bond, etc are ultimately not going to make the difference between them advancing or not. Their catch all approach will just mean they play a wider pool of players at U21s/friendlies, which may seem good, but probably disrupts the development/coherence of squad/systems.
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Post by hookd on Aug 2, 2014 10:13:27 GMT
The shame is those players I mention above will probably make little or no difference to England, but could make a significant difference to us, given our lack of depth.
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Post by scoop76 on Aug 2, 2014 10:39:52 GMT
George Williams has already won a senior cap & is always very positive on Twitter about playing for Wales. I genuinely don't think we'll have a problem there, although I think Coleman should give him a start against Andorra and put the argument to bed.
Likewise, I hope Coleman makes some positive noises about Tom Lawrence playing a part in the Andorra game - but that this time he plays.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 11:30:14 GMT
Both will play for Wales
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Post by Counting Crows on Aug 2, 2014 11:45:17 GMT
Lawrence, Williams and Bale as a front 3 versus Andorra and win the game by HT :-)
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Post by flynnfan on Aug 2, 2014 13:49:10 GMT
George Williams has tweeted about what an honour it was to play for Wales vs Holland. He's been 'favouriting' tweets from people saying stuff like 'looking forward to watching George Willaims play a big part for Wales over the next decade or so'...so it looks good at the moment.
With Lawrence, he'd be so stupid to pick England ahead of being a teammate of the likes of Bale, Ramsey, Allen etc. Especially as he's Welsh born and bred.
Coleman needs to sit down with the pair of them though. And play them both vs Andorra.
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Post by marsvolta on Aug 2, 2014 15:09:37 GMT
And to think some 'welsh' fans still support England in the World Cup.
If fact, If Lawrence played for England you would get some people saying that they support England because they have a Welshman playing for them.
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Post by welshwizard79 on Aug 2, 2014 18:21:54 GMT
George Williams has tweeted about what an honour it was to play for Wales vs Holland. He's been 'favouriting' tweets from people saying stuff like 'looking forward to watching George Willaims play a big part for Wales over the next decade or so'...so it looks good at the moment. With Lawrence, he'd be so stupid to pick England ahead of being a teammate of the likes of Bale, Ramsey, Allen etc. Especially as he's Welsh born and bred. Coleman needs to sit down with the pair of them though. And play them both vs Andorra. Yeah agree they both seem positive about playing for Wales and there is nothing yet to suggest that they want to play for England. We all panicked about Collison and Dummet and asked why don't they come out and clarify etc but it seems that players don't really do that particularly on social media. There has also been no direct quotes from Southgate or anyone. I guess as Welsh fans we all have a bit of paranoia about these lads jumping ship but the only ones of note in recent years have been Bond and Rhys Williams. I doubt either would have tens of caps for us by know. Coleman needs to name these lads in the Andorra squad and cap them and he'd be a fool not too. If they come out and say they want to play for England then fuck them. I just can't see it. They will both be a long way from being capped by England in a senior competitive game so after being involved with Wales for years to maybe make a squad in a friendly or play for their 21s? Don't think so. Instead they will be playing senior competitive international football in a young exciting side with some world class players. Williams has a Welsh mum and Lawrence is from Wrexham. I have faith in them. |
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Post by abwales on Aug 2, 2014 22:57:09 GMT
I'm now considering all Welsh players English until locked down to Wales.
Which means all our youth squads are English.
Which means I want them all to lose all the time.
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Post by bale-droed on Aug 3, 2014 13:12:53 GMT
Isgrove Williams Lawrence all gone? Who else can we still lose?
I don't think Lawrence will switch he is Welsh....I don't think George Williams should he would be stupid to do so they only want him in case he ends up half decent. As for Isgrove fuck off.
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Post by hookd on Aug 3, 2014 13:21:47 GMT
The dad of Lawrence is English and he comes from a border town and has spent most of his teenage years in the North West.
Thanks goodness we have Bale and Ramsey; as they are the best defence you can have to stick with us!
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Post by luke on Aug 3, 2014 15:15:22 GMT
Isgrove Williams Lawrence all gone? Who else can we still lose? I don't think Lawrence will switch he is Welsh....I don't think George Williams should he would be stupid to do so they only want him in case he ends up half decent. As for Isgrove fuck off. None of them are "gone". |
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Post by biwmares on Aug 17, 2014 11:17:25 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2014 12:01:53 GMT
Lawrence and George Williams will play for Wales.
Isgrove is the one I'd be concerned about. I think he's going to come good this year.
These three should be capped against Andorra I feel.
Now may also be a good time to re-ask Darlow as I think we could offer him a starting spot now seeing as we have no GKs actually playing games at a high enough level. Unlikely he'll choose us though.
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