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Post by njdragon on Jan 17, 2022 12:47:45 GMT
thise 2 goals yesterday were bale-esque!
Always was a replacement for bale during the coleman days and can't see why he wouldn't be now.
The boy is in form he simply has to be picked.
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Post by dai on Jan 17, 2022 13:08:14 GMT
He should be in the squad before players like Mark Harris and Colwill at least.
And I'm not buying the consistency reasoning for not calling him up, Harry Wilson isn't exactly Mr Dependable, and even the likes of Bale and Ramsey can go missing.
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Post by njdragon on Jan 17, 2022 13:32:32 GMT
He should be in the squad before players like Mark Harris and Colwill at least. And I'm not buying the consistency reasoning for not calling him up, Harry Wilson isn't exactly Mr Dependable, and even the likes of Bale and Ramsey can go missing. Totally, half our squad aren't even playing regularly, so surely a player like lawrence is more likely to put in a performance for us. rambo, rodon, bale, connor, ward, williams, mepham - thats 7 starters without decent game time this season. |
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Post by foxmulder on Jan 17, 2022 14:27:24 GMT
Would he want to be picked though?
He was left out of the first Euros. This was maybe understandable given where he was at the time, but it would've been great for his experience.
And then after scoring some vital goals for Wales, always turned up etc. he was left out of the 2nd Euros when the likes of Colwill and Roberts getting on the plane.
It would show great character and professionalism for him to turn up.
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Post by dai on Jan 17, 2022 14:40:35 GMT
Would he want to be picked though?He was left out of the first Euros. This was maybe understandable given where he was at the time, but it would've been great for his experience. And then after scoring some vital goals for Wales, always turned up etc. he was left out of the 2nd Euros when the likes of Colwill and Roberts getting on the plane. It would show great character and professionalism for him to turn up. Good question. It would only be natural for him to feel a bit bitter about how his Wales career has panned out. I know he had that bad accident, which was poor from him, but I feel that might be a factor in Page not choosing him. Look what happened with HRK after his incident. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 17, 2022 14:47:27 GMT
Would he want to be picked though? He was left out of the first Euros. This was maybe understandable given where he was at the time, but it would've been great for his experience. And then after scoring some vital goals for Wales, always turned up etc. he was left out of the 2nd Euros when the likes of Colwill and Roberts getting on the plane. It would show great character and professionalism for him to turn up. If he gets picked for these 2 qualifiers with a chance of going to a world cup surely he'll bite pages hand off. Sadly i don't think he'll be picked, barring some injuries. |
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Post by iot on Jan 17, 2022 15:55:27 GMT
Yeah, he should be picked for the next window, probably in place of colwill who hasn't really kicked on. Might be better for Colwill to get his head down in the u21s. Having said that, Page may not want to disrupt the squad make-up from the last window given how well it went.
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Post by insertname on Jan 17, 2022 16:08:01 GMT
Would he want to be picked though? He was left out of the first Euros. This was maybe understandable given where he was at the time, but it would've been great for his experience. And then after scoring some vital goals for Wales, always turned up etc. he was left out of the 2nd Euros when the likes of Colwill and Roberts getting on the plane. It would show great character and professionalism for him to turn up. Yep, human nature being what it is it’s not a given that it’s water under the bridge with Page. Plus if Derby stay up (which you certainly wouldn’t bet against given their form) it will be in large part to Lawrence. Rooney will no doubt be wanting to keep him fit for Derby during the WC play offs by getting in his ear telling him he doesn’t need to play for a country that wasn’t interested in him during the Euros etc etc. |
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Post by welshrover on Jan 17, 2022 16:11:40 GMT
Would he want to be picked though? I think he would, his dad occasionally has a pint in a pub I occasionally go to (Melrose, Shotton) and he was saying that Tom was gutted to have missed the Euros so I feel sure he would be on board for a World Cup opportunity. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 17, 2022 17:29:35 GMT
I always thought he was a waste in a Wales shirt and always against giving players who don't make an impact opportunities, but would definitely give him another chance.
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Post by insertname on Jan 17, 2022 17:38:28 GMT
Would he want to be picked though? I think he would, his dad occasionally has a pint in a pub I occasionally go to (Melrose, Shotton) and he was saying that Tom was gutted to have missed the Euros so I feel sure he would be on board for a World Cup opportunity. I’d like to think that players can take being dropped on the chin, hopefully in his case he does and buys into the ethos of being a good servant for your country |
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Post by cogancoronation31 on Jan 17, 2022 17:59:28 GMT
Between now and mid-March, if TL maintains present form, keeps scoring goals (whether for Derby, or for any club to whom he is transferred before end January), it will be hard to justify not calling him up.
Why turn our back on a regularly playing goalscorer who is not injury-prone, not 'on the sidelines', and who provides decent assists for his team-mates as well?
And if selected for the next camp, TL will turn up - no question.
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Post by hooky on Jan 17, 2022 18:49:44 GMT
He should be in the squad before players like Mark Harris and Colwill at least. And I'm not buying the consistency reasoning for not calling him up, Harry Wilson isn't exactly Mr Dependable, and even the likes of Bale and Ramsey can go missing. Totally agree he should be ahead of those two if he is in form. He is simply capable of doing far more than them / making something happen out of nothing. Players like him would have run at Estonia in the penalty area when we were drawing, as would Brennan Johnson - go in for the ball you risk a penalty, stand off, they have the quality to score or assist. If we are losing 1-0 to Austria or Scotland with 20 minutes to go its pretty clear who would have more chance of making a difference. If he was in the kind of form he was in on Saturday then you'd even pick him ahead of an unfit Bale, who is probably not going to play one single game ahead of the play offs. The inconsistency comment is from an 'its a shame' perspective. A player as talented as him should not go missing like he has at times and he was capable of playing in the Premiership. |
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Post by hooky on Jan 17, 2022 18:52:40 GMT
Would he want to be picked though? He was left out of the first Euros. This was maybe understandable given where he was at the time, but it would've been great for his experience. And then after scoring some vital goals for Wales, always turned up etc. he was left out of the 2nd Euros when the likes of Colwill and Roberts getting on the plane. It would show great character and professionalism for him to turn up. Of course he would. He knows if in the mood he can be part of something special / contribute to something incredible Page can ditch his loyalty shit. Colwill and Harris are subs a lot of the time and have scored maybe 4 goals between them? There is no justification picking them ahead of an in form Tom Lawrence. Scotland / Austria would find it far harder to defend vs him than those two |
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Post by hooky on Jan 17, 2022 18:58:19 GMT
Goodness an in form Lawrence.
They need games, but a fairly decent Bale, Ramsey, James, Johnson, Wilson.
All of them have the X factor. Then you have the ever reliable, 120% contributor Moore
Its pretty incredible the options we have available. Hope Page makes the most of them
Just hope the blooming midfield hold things together and Rodon mans up or gets a loan move. We don't want any regrets
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 17, 2022 19:30:28 GMT
Bloody hell the way some of you are going on you'd think he's a worldie who's been treated horrendously, I think he should probably be in the next squad but come on, he's a decent Championship player who occasionally has these bursts of form. Would he have made a difference at the Euros? I doubt he'd have played.
There's also a fair bit of revisionism going on here, "scores vital goals" for Wales is very, very generous. He did get the (at the time vital, but overall inconsequential) goal against Georgia but his two others have been against Panama and in the Ireland demolition. Also downgrading drink driving to a "bad accident" leaves a sour taste.
I also don't get why Colwill is getting a bit of stick here? It's hardly his fault he's getting picked and up until the last round of fixtures Lawrence had only scored 1 more than him, which considering Colwill isn't a guaranteed starter ain't bad going.
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Post by foxmulder on Jan 17, 2022 20:51:16 GMT
Bloody hell the way some of you are going on you'd think he's a worldie who's been treated horrendously, I think he should probably be in the next squad but come on, he's a decent Championship player who occasionally has these bursts of form. Would he have made a difference at the Euros? I doubt he'd have played. There's also a fair bit of revisionism going on here, "scores vital goals" for Wales is very, very generous. He did get the (at the time vital, but overall inconsequential) goal against Georgia but his two others have been against Panama and in the Ireland demolition. Also downgrading drink driving to a "bad accident" leaves a sour taste. I also don't get why Colwill is getting a bit of stick here? It's hardly his fault he's getting picked and up until the last round of fixtures Lawrence had only scored 1 more than him, which considering Colwill isn't a guaranteed starter ain't bad going. I think you're reading too much into this. No one is calling him a worldie! And of course it's not Colwill's fault. But at the time, Lawrence had turned up to camps off the back of not playing either game in the last camp. He's always dug in, he's scored goals, he's made assists. And then Colwill gets the nod for the prestigious Euros, ahead of him. He was probably in the same position as Tyler Roberts, but Lawrence has statistically done more than him as Roberts still got the nod over him. That's got to hurt. He could easily be thinking that he could come on in these games, literally help Wales qualify for the World Cup and still not get the nod. |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 17, 2022 21:14:19 GMT
Bloody hell the way some of you are going on you'd think he's a worldie who's been treated horrendously, I think he should probably be in the next squad but come on, he's a decent Championship player who occasionally has these bursts of form. Would he have made a difference at the Euros? I doubt he'd have played. There's also a fair bit of revisionism going on here, "scores vital goals" for Wales is very, very generous. He did get the (at the time vital, but overall inconsequential) goal against Georgia but his two others have been against Panama and in the Ireland demolition. Also downgrading drink driving to a "bad accident" leaves a sour taste. I also don't get why Colwill is getting a bit of stick here? It's hardly his fault he's getting picked and up until the last round of fixtures Lawrence had only scored 1 more than him, which considering Colwill isn't a guaranteed starter ain't bad going. I think you're reading too much into this. No one is calling him a worldie! And of course it's not Colwill's fault. But at the time, Lawrence had turned up to camps off the back of not playing either game in the last camp. He's always dug in, he's scored goals, he's made assists. And then Colwill gets the nod for the prestigious Euros, ahead of him. He was probably in the same position as Tyler Roberts, but Lawrence has statistically done more than him as Roberts still got the nod over him. That's got to hurt. He could easily be thinking that he could come on in these games, literally help Wales qualify for the World Cup and still not get the nod. See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well |
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2022 0:34:52 GMT
I think you're reading too much into this. No one is calling him a worldie! And of course it's not Colwill's fault. But at the time, Lawrence had turned up to camps off the back of not playing either game in the last camp. He's always dug in, he's scored goals, he's made assists. And then Colwill gets the nod for the prestigious Euros, ahead of him. He was probably in the same position as Tyler Roberts, but Lawrence has statistically done more than him as Roberts still got the nod over him. That's got to hurt. He could easily be thinking that he could come on in these games, literally help Wales qualify for the World Cup and still not get the nod. See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well Lawrence would have been more use than Roberts as a sub against the Danes. Saying that though my Nain would have been a more useful sub than Roberts against the Danes and she’s not been with us for over 20 years. So I don’t think there would have been an outcry on that front at all just simply because of the standard the player is playing at. And you are undermining your argument somewhat by minimising Lawrence’s contribution whilst saying it made sense to call up a bloke who has done literally nothing in a Wales shirt instead. Next time round if it’s a choice between Roberts or Lawrence then I can imagine there will be a bloody big out cry about why a bloke who isn’t even a striker has been selected over one who has been in great form and possibly playing above his level. If he carries on like this big championship clubs will be after him. I can’t see Roberts generating any interest for the foreseeable future. At the moment a choice between those two would be a very easy one to make, especially if Page continues to see Roberts as a striker (which everyone can see he isn’t) |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 18, 2022 9:38:35 GMT
I think you're reading too much into this. No one is calling him a worldie! And of course it's not Colwill's fault. But at the time, Lawrence had turned up to camps off the back of not playing either game in the last camp. He's always dug in, he's scored goals, he's made assists. And then Colwill gets the nod for the prestigious Euros, ahead of him. He was probably in the same position as Tyler Roberts, but Lawrence has statistically done more than him as Roberts still got the nod over him. That's got to hurt. He could easily be thinking that he could come on in these games, literally help Wales qualify for the World Cup and still not get the nod. See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well what are you on about, we're just saying he should be in the squad.. I've watched probably 99% of wales games the last 20 years and can't remember a game where i would ever call him useless like when i watch tyler roberts, craig davies, jemaine easter play for us. He can be an exciting player and a player with pace. Im pretty sure he was instrumental in getting us to euro 2016 (playing games) and he was injured or he would have been on that plane. |
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2022 10:15:16 GMT
See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well what are you on about, we're just saying he should be in the squad.. I've watched probably 99% of wales games the last 20 years and can't remember a game where i would ever call him useless like when i watch tyler roberts, craig davies, jemaine easter play for us. He can be an exciting player and a player with pace. Im pretty sure he was instrumental in getting us to euro 2016 (playing games) and he was injured or he would have been on that plane. I don't agree at all with that. He's been almost anonymous in about 80% of his appearances for us. Wilson has the same issue as pointed out, although he delivers slightly more consistently and has a bit more about him. |
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2022 10:18:20 GMT
See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well Lawrence would have been more use than Roberts as a sub against the Danes. Saying that though my Nain would have been a more useful sub than Roberts against the Danes and she’s not been with us for over 20 years. So I don’t think there would have been an outcry on that front at all just simply because of the standard the player is playing at. And you are undermining your argument somewhat by minimising Lawrence’s contribution whilst saying it made sense to call up a bloke who has done literally nothing in a Wales shirt instead. Next time round if it’s a choice between Roberts or Lawrence then I can imagine there will be a bloody big out cry about why a bloke who isn’t even a striker has been selected over one who has been in great form and possibly playing above his level. If he carries on like this big championship clubs will be after him. I can’t see Roberts generating any interest for the foreseeable future. At the moment a choice between those two would be a very easy one to make, especially if Page continues to see Roberts as a striker (which everyone can see he isn’t) I agree we're straying into revisionism here. Lawrence almost certainly would have had next to no impact against the Danes for the same reason none of Brooks, Wilson, or Roberts did (nor did Bale, Rambo, James or Moore for that matter) - we were outplayed and couldn't get on the ball, so the offensive players couldn't do a lot. I get that Roberts is a nice and easy scapegoat to use, but I don't think it's accurate |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 18, 2022 13:07:58 GMT
See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well Lawrence would have been more use than Roberts as a sub against the Danes. Saying that though my Nain would have been a more useful sub than Roberts against the Danes and she’s not been with us for over 20 years. So I don’t think there would have been an outcry on that front at all just simply because of the standard the player is playing at. And you are undermining your argument somewhat by minimising Lawrence’s contribution whilst saying it made sense to call up a bloke who has done literally nothing in a Wales shirt instead. Next time round if it’s a choice between Roberts or Lawrence then I can imagine there will be a bloody big out cry about why a bloke who isn’t even a striker has been selected over one who has been in great form and possibly playing above his level. If he carries on like this big championship clubs will be after him. I can’t see Roberts generating any interest for the foreseeable future. At the moment a choice between those two would be a very easy one to make, especially if Page continues to see Roberts as a striker (which everyone can see he isn’t) I don't think it made a huge amount of sense to call up Tyler Roberts, I'm saying there would have been a similar outcry on here had a PL player (who'd been doing ok for Leeds at the time) wasn't called up. I agree right now Lawrence should get in ahead of Roberts, but the coaching staff obviously have their reasons |
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Post by fiveattheback on Jan 18, 2022 13:10:04 GMT
See I think there's a bit of revisionism going on here. He's scored 3 and as far as I'm aware never had an assist for us, he also had a tendency to look unbothered and even lazy. He's always been pretty underwhelming for us, that's what makes sudden turnaround on his qualities quite strange to me. He's a decent player, but he's very unlikely to get on the pitch for us considering how stacked we are in his position, which makes the clamour for him pretty strange Colwill obviously did something that wowed the coaching staff considering he went from nowhere to being in the full squad, what that was we probably won't ever know. Was it ahead of him? Lawrence may probably never have been in the frame for the Euros, I don't think he was in any of the pre-Euro training squads and wasn't really involved in much of qualifying, but then it may have been a toss up between Lawrence and Roberts, who knows? Roberts was playing consistently in the Premier League at the time, I imagine there would have been outcry if he hadn't been picked. I'm sure he does think that, but I'm sure every other professional footballer who qualifies for Wales thinks that as well what are you on about, we're just saying he should be in the squad.. I've watched probably 99% of wales games the last 20 years and can't remember a game where i would ever call him useless like when i watch tyler roberts, craig davies, jemaine easter play for us. He can be an exciting player and a player with pace. Im pretty sure he was instrumental in getting us to euro 2016 (playing games) and he was injured or he would have been on that plane. He came on as a sub in the final game at home to Andorra so that's a huge stretch |
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2022 13:15:16 GMT
Lawrence would have been more use than Roberts as a sub against the Danes. Saying that though my Nain would have been a more useful sub than Roberts against the Danes and she’s not been with us for over 20 years. So I don’t think there would have been an outcry on that front at all just simply because of the standard the player is playing at. And you are undermining your argument somewhat by minimising Lawrence’s contribution whilst saying it made sense to call up a bloke who has done literally nothing in a Wales shirt instead. Next time round if it’s a choice between Roberts or Lawrence then I can imagine there will be a bloody big out cry about why a bloke who isn’t even a striker has been selected over one who has been in great form and possibly playing above his level. If he carries on like this big championship clubs will be after him. I can’t see Roberts generating any interest for the foreseeable future. At the moment a choice between those two would be a very easy one to make, especially if Page continues to see Roberts as a striker (which everyone can see he isn’t) I agree we're straying into revisionism here. Lawrence almost certainly would have had next to no impact against the Danes for the same reason none of Brooks, Wilson, or Roberts did (nor did Bale, Rambo, James or Moore for that matter) - we were outplayed and couldn't get on the ball, so the offensive players couldn't do a lot. I get that Roberts is a nice and easy scapegoat to use, but I don't think it's accurate If Roberts is an easy scapegoat, does that say something about his perceived contribution (or lack of) on the pitch in the first place? If the bloke was any use he wouldn’t come up in these sort of debates. Personally I’m struggling to think of any sort of positive impact he has had on any Wales game I have seen him in. I can however, think of at least two performances where he has basically been like an extra man for the opposition though. Under those circumstances it’s hard to think that someone like Lawrence could possibly have been worse. To some this debate is yet another triviality about squad picks, like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yet Roberts consistently gets on the pitch under Page. He seems to be something of a favourite despite doing nothing in a Wales shirt to justify it. Given that’s the case to me picking Roberts carries a lot of significance so I for one will be quite concerned if Roberts were to be picked for the play offs whilst Lawrence, in good goal scoring form, would appear to have been omitted. |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 18, 2022 13:23:38 GMT
what are you on about, we're just saying he should be in the squad.. I've watched probably 99% of wales games the last 20 years and can't remember a game where i would ever call him useless like when i watch tyler roberts, craig davies, jemaine easter play for us. He can be an exciting player and a player with pace. Im pretty sure he was instrumental in getting us to euro 2016 (playing games) and he was injured or he would have been on that plane. He came on as a sub in the final game at home to Andorra so that's a huge stretch well he was there included in the euro 16 training camp yes? you're right he wasn't a massive part of 2016 - was a squad regular i see. But doesn't detract from a player who was consistently included in every squad but has yet to make much of an appearance since his driving ban. He's playing well and from what i remember he was always had a threat when played - he's a pacey player that in my opinion can turn a game. He's done a heck of a lot more that roberts very time he's puled that shirt on. You have to admit if he's not included this time it would be a bit odd? |
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Post by njdragon on Jan 18, 2022 13:25:37 GMT
I agree we're straying into revisionism here. Lawrence almost certainly would have had next to no impact against the Danes for the same reason none of Brooks, Wilson, or Roberts did (nor did Bale, Rambo, James or Moore for that matter) - we were outplayed and couldn't get on the ball, so the offensive players couldn't do a lot. I get that Roberts is a nice and easy scapegoat to use, but I don't think it's accurate If Roberts is an easy scapegoat, does that say something about his perceived contribution (or lack of) on the pitch in the first place? If the bloke was any use he wouldn’t come up in these sort of debates. Personally I’m struggling to think of any sort of positive impact he has had on any Wales game I have seen him in. I can however, think of at least two performances where he has basically been like an extra man for the opposition though. Under those circumstances it’s hard to think that someone like Lawrence could possibly have been worse. To some this debate is yet another triviality about squad picks, like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yet Roberts consistently gets on the pitch under Page. He seems to be something of a favourite despite doing nothing in a Wales shirt to justify it. Given that’s the case to me picking Roberts carries a lot of significance so I for one will be quite concerned if Roberts were to be picked for the play offs whilst Lawrence, in good goal scoring form, would appear to have been omitted. Roberts is the player he's on the ball and im screaming to my friend watch this now, watch him give it away. True to form thats what he does runs himself into a corner and loses it. |
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Post by conwy10 on Jan 18, 2022 15:11:54 GMT
He should be in the squad before players like Mark Harris and Colwill at least. And I'm not buying the consistency reasoning for not calling him up, Harry Wilson isn't exactly Mr Dependable, and even the likes of Bale and Ramsey can go missing. Totally agree he should be ahead of those two if he is in form. He is simply capable of doing far more than them / making something happen out of nothing. Players like him would have run at Estonia in the penalty area when we were drawing, as would Brennan Johnson - go in for the ball you risk a penalty, stand off, they have the quality to score or assist. If we are losing 1-0 to Austria or Scotland with 20 minutes to go its pretty clear who would have more chance of making a difference. If he was in the kind of form he was in on Saturday then you'd even pick him ahead of an unfit Bale, who is probably not going to play one single game ahead of the play offs. The inconsistency comment is from an 'its a shame' perspective. A player as talented as him should not go missing like he has at times and he was capable of playing in the Premiership. Would he have run at Estonia? I'm only basing it off my memory for Wales, but to my memory Lawrence only stayed wide stretching play before passing it back to midfield/full back which is what we already had. I know the goals he's scored have been decent and he deserves another chance but I can't see him changing that much. I reckon he'll still be a ghost on the pitch but it's not like the competition is overwhelming for him to play himself back in. |
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Post by insertname on Jan 18, 2022 15:45:29 GMT
If Roberts is an easy scapegoat, does that say something about his perceived contribution (or lack of) on the pitch in the first place? If the bloke was any use he wouldn’t come up in these sort of debates. Personally I’m struggling to think of any sort of positive impact he has had on any Wales game I have seen him in. I can however, think of at least two performances where he has basically been like an extra man for the opposition though. Under those circumstances it’s hard to think that someone like Lawrence could possibly have been worse. To some this debate is yet another triviality about squad picks, like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yet Roberts consistently gets on the pitch under Page. He seems to be something of a favourite despite doing nothing in a Wales shirt to justify it. Given that’s the case to me picking Roberts carries a lot of significance so I for one will be quite concerned if Roberts were to be picked for the play offs whilst Lawrence, in good goal scoring form, would appear to have been omitted. Roberts is the player he's on the ball and im screaming to my friend watch this now, watch him give it away. True to form thats what he does runs himself into a corner and loses it. Exactly that. It’s not even that he’s mediocre, or has the odd disappointing game. It’s that, like you imply, he’s a liability. Some players will make up for that by at least having a sense of determination, but he doesn’t even do that. He’s a laid back liability and it’s the worst thing you can be as a footballer because as a fan you see it and think “what’s the point?”. For the players own sake he needs Page to give him a rest until he starts doing remarkable things in a Leeds shirt, until such time he shouldn’t be involved as it’s just not been happening for him at international level and especially not included at the expense of Lawrence if it’s an either/or which it probably is as Page seems to see Roberts as a forward (even though we all know he isn’t). |
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Post by iot on Jan 18, 2022 16:20:18 GMT
I agree we're straying into revisionism here. Lawrence almost certainly would have had next to no impact against the Danes for the same reason none of Brooks, Wilson, or Roberts did (nor did Bale, Rambo, James or Moore for that matter) - we were outplayed and couldn't get on the ball, so the offensive players couldn't do a lot. I get that Roberts is a nice and easy scapegoat to use, but I don't think it's accurate If Roberts is an easy scapegoat, does that say something about his perceived contribution (or lack of) on the pitch in the first place? If the bloke was any use he wouldn’t come up in these sort of debates. Personally I’m struggling to think of any sort of positive impact he has had on any Wales game I have seen him in. I can however, think of at least two performances where he has basically been like an extra man for the opposition though. Under those circumstances it’s hard to think that someone like Lawrence could possibly have been worse. To some this debate is yet another triviality about squad picks, like re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Yet Roberts consistently gets on the pitch under Page. He seems to be something of a favourite despite doing nothing in a Wales shirt to justify it. Given that’s the case to me picking Roberts carries a lot of significance so I for one will be quite concerned if Roberts were to be picked for the play offs whilst Lawrence, in good goal scoring form, would appear to have been omitted. My main point is that Lawrence would not have made a difference against the Danes as you implied, for the same reason that none of Bale/Ramsey/James/Moore/Brooks/Wilson did, and indeed Roberts. And you just brought Roberts up as an easy target. If we're looking at it objectively, Lawrence made a shit case for being included in the euros with just 3 goals in total the previous season. So I would say criticisms of his omission back then is an act of revisionism. |
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